Eventide said:
That's largely the point...
I think you still haven't understood what I mean. It becomes difficult when we use the same words to mean different things. Try and clarify in simplest terms what you mean by something.
Eventide said:
God doesn't choose ANYONE in the flesh..
What do you exactly mean by "in the flesh"? I've understood it as acting "in our own human ability" or "through our human means/works/wisdom" - anything that I can attribute to my own ability/will-power amounts to "me being/working/walking in the flesh". "In the Spirit" encompasses all the works of the Spirit in you. All good acts that are worked in me by the Spirit are attributed to the Spirit alone and none to me. When this happens, I am "walking in the Spirit".
But we are all "born of the flesh". And only those who are "born of the Spirit" will enter the Kingdom of God. So how does one who is 'born of the flesh' become 'born of the Spirit'? By some work that he does or by some work that the Spirit works in him?
Now, what is meant by being born of the Spirit - does it not mean that we are created anew by the working of the Spirit in us - A regeneration of our hardened heart into a heart that can begin loving God in Spirit and in truth.
And if God has to work this in us, at the time of His working this in us, we are still in the flesh, right? So, in that sense, does He not have to choose people in the flesh to pour out His Spirit into?
Likewise, I never said God doesn't choose people in the flesh - I said He chooses us inspite of us being in the flesh. He does it
because of no reason he finds in those people in the flesh but
because of His own sovereign will and pleasure.
I think you might have overlooked
this post in this context.
Eventide said:
Does your bible tell you what you must do in order to be saved..?
Absolutely - it says that
I, of my own will-power/ability[in the flesh], can
do nothing to be saved. That's why we are at God's mercy wholly dependent on His grace. Jeshua -
God saves. We are only recipients of such grace.
If no man, in the flesh, can do anything to be saved, and if he needs the Spirit of God to be able to discern spiritual things concerning salvation, then how only can we be saved if God does not choose men in the flesh, to pour out His Spirit into?
Eventide said:
NO MAN places their self into Christ
I don't know what you understood of what I was saying - let me make it simpler.
Is faith given by God or is it self-generated? Are we able to believe by our own will-power/ability or do we need God to act in us to enable us to believe?
Is repentance granted by God or is it self-generated? Are we able to repent by our own will-power/ability or must God's grace soften, incline and cause our hearts to repent?