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[jasoncran]

im not against whats the word? harrasment and hostile work place laws. within reason of course.

but with schools they often take it too far.ie even now theres a push to not allow best friends and we also have those everybodies a winner teams. reality doesnt work that way.

 

[Pard]

And beating someone's head into the wall is called assault/battery. It's something you go to jail for. So we got that one covered!

And yeah, I'm leaning toward Jason's post above. Not everyone is a winner, in fact most people have to lose so that one person can win!

There is only one place where everyone can be a winner and that is the game of eternal salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ. Can I get an "Amen hallelujah!"

 

[Milk-Drops]

And beating someone's head into the wall is called assault/battery. It's something you go to jail for. So we got that one covered!

And we have this term called bullying that is a catch all term for what all I listed in my post, so my main point stands.

Also, the point of the "it Gets Better" Campaign isn't that you are going to be a winner or anything like that. Its just about understanding that nothing lasts forever and working towards changing it by persevering. Or that is what most of the people who participate in this campaign are saying anyway.

 

[Danus]

Does it change that Danus made a claim that this is persecuting Christians when Dan didn't persecute Christians?

In these times, more and more, we see how the bible is misunderstood. God's message may reach any ear, but it dos not reach any heart, and for those people it is unknown, misunderstood, or just plain does not make a lick of sense.

Still some lost will want to be called Christian, but many others will simply call themselves good, and hold their own version or morality. They will call it subjective, and in so doing will persecute those who claim otherwise.

What's interesting about the video is not what this guy says. Nor is it his lost condition; what's glorious about this video are the Christian kids who walk out on Satan's puppet show, leaving the rest of the lost crowd to cheer him on, and call his message truth. I was very inspired by their act of doing that. I saw hope in that.

As Christians we will be persecuted. That's not the issue. In Mathew 5:10 Jesus points this out in saying; "10 - Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

What we see of Dan Savage is not that big of a deal. His message will grow in the world, and the world will accept it, because the world is lost, and will listen to Satan. That's who rules the world. In Mathew 24, Jesus speaks of the end of the age with warning, but also as information, and in part of that he says; 4 - 4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

There are several things being alluded to here by Jesus, but it's not a message for people like Dan Savage. It's only for the elect in Christ, or those who will be.

However, we have today, as in the past, but a greater number today, people who claim to be Christians. That's fine and all, it does not stop those who will truly be saved from being so, but those who are under the grace of God understand the voice of God in so far as his design for a man and a woman. Those who aren't, don't; Yet they suffer from their own nature, not from other Christians. However, they will blame us for their own suffering, and curse God for it as well, rather than turn to him for his love....That's what we see in this video, and that's what we can conclude logically from what we know of people like Dan Savage. It's only scripture proving itself.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Your entire statement is irrelevant. I'm not asking you if the Bible Says that you will be persecuted. I was asking how Dan Savage persecuted Christians in the video. Your OP states that he is doing this, so do you care to explain how he is doing this?

 

[Jesusfreak97]

Can I just say wow! I couldn't even watch the whole thing. I got about 20 seconds in to it before I turned it off. Just wow. We gotta pray people! We gotta pray for these people and organization. God does specialize in miracles after all. Right?

 

[Danus]

Your entire statement is irrelevant. I'm not asking you if the Bible Says that you will be persecuted. I was asking how Dan Savage persecuted Christians in the video. Your OP states that he is doing this, so do you care to explain how he is doing this?

The entire statement is not intended for you.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Can I just say wow! I couldn't even watch the whole thing. I got about 20 seconds in to it before I turned it off. Just wow. We gotta pray people! We gotta pray for these people and organization. God does specialize in miracles after all. Right?

What did Dan get wrong? Slavery is in the Bible and Jesus tells slaves to love and serve their masters as if they were him.

Many Christians then abandoned the idea of Slavery in the US and became abolitionists.

Levitical law has been abandoned, except from when people use it for justification to ban something they don't like or understand.

Some people use various Bible Passages or even other Holy Books to justify doing horrible things to each other.


What is the horrible part? Where is the persecution? If stating what the Bible says is persecution, then Christians persecute themselves when these very passages are used to their own advantage.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Read the Edit reason.

 

[Jesusfreak97]

What did Dan get wrong? Slavery is in the Bible and Jesus tells slaves to love and serve their masters as if they were him.

Many Christians then abandoned the idea of Slavery in the US and became abolitionists.

Levitical law has been abandoned, except from when people use it for justification to ban something they don't like or understand.

Some people use various Bible Passages or even other Holy Books to justify doing horrible things to each other.


What is the horrible part? Where is the persecution? If stating what the Bible says is persecution, then Christians persecute themselves when these very passages are used to their own advantage.

The Bible also says for masters to love their slaves and not mistreat them. Also Joseph was a slave and look what happened to him. There was a soldire who came to Jesus and begged him to heal his servant. And the verse you are referencing is Ephesians 6:5-9. God actually tells the masters that if they're not nice to their slaves that they are going to have to deal with Him. Also Ephesans 6:8 "because you know the that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, weather he is slave or free." So you tell me, how can someone who REALLY reads their Bible possibly make that arguement? I think that they were trying to make a point out of nothing so they just grabbbed something out of thin air.

 

[jasoncran]

i guess we should allow pedastery as that is what the levitical law was agianst. context and any jew who knows their history will agree. i told this to an orthodox jew and she agreed.

that said. when rome conquered the jews. the elite jews didnt own slaves for the most part the romans did however own in mass..

 

[Danus]

What did Dan get wrong? Slavery is in the Bible and Jesus tells slaves to love and serve their masters as if they were him.

Many Christians then abandoned the idea of Slavery in the US and became abolitionists.

Levitical law has been abandoned, except from when people use it for justification to ban something they don't like or understand.

Some people use various Bible Passages or even other Holy Books to justify doing horrible things to each other.


What is the horrible part? Where is the persecution? If stating what the Bible says is persecution, then Christians persecute themselves when these very passages are used to their own advantage.

It's wrong of me to laugh and I am sorry for it, but ...you just made my entire point about the non-elect understanding the bible.....I'm sorry, for laughing

We are not concerned with being persecuted. Many of us look forward to it. The point of using that in the title is because the message from the world in speaking out against Christianity is coming from the homosexual community, and they do it from the standpoint of being morally righteous. This post is about the irony of the world in this way, and what the world calls truth, and about how a group of kids, moved by what they know is truth, got up and turned their backs on a lie.

Please forgive me for laughing. It's not at you. If there is anything you'd like me to answer or explain, I will gladly help, but the intent of the OP was not about the message from Dan Savage. I understand his message fully. I do.

 

[Milk-Drops]

The Bible also says for masters to love their slaves and not mistreat them. Also Joseph was a slave and look what happened to him. There was a soldire who came to Jesus and begged him to heal his servant. And the verse you are referencing is Ephesians 6:5-9. God actually tells the masters that if they're not nice to their slaves that they are going to have to deal with Him. Also Ephesans 6:8 "because you know the that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, weather he is slave or free." So you tell me, how can someone who REALLY reads their Bible possibly make that arguement? I think that they were trying to make a point out of nothing so they just grabbbed something out of thin air.

Actually no, the entire point Dan was making is that the Bible allowed slavery, and because of this many people used it as a justification of Slavery in the United States. Savage was pointing out that people use the Bible to justify their own bullying. Here in the US we have completely abandoned the idea of owning someone. It really doesn't matter how well the person was treated, we still abandoned the practice. Just as we abandoned aspects of Levitican law that don't make sense. That is the point Savage is making.

 

[Jesusfreak97]

Well I only watched 20 seconds so exscuse me. Yeah people do use the Bible to justify bullying and it's downright wrong but it's also wrog to call the Bible what he called it. I believe it to be truth and I am sure a lot of other people do too. So calling what we belive as truth cow poop? I'm sorry but that is wrong.

 

[Milk-Drops]

It's wrong of me to laugh and I am sorry for it, but ...you just made my entire point about the non-elect understanding the bible.....I'm sorry, for laughing

No, I'm pretty sure I understand your Bible.

According to your Bible, your God Created the world and his created beings defied his wishes and ate the fruit of knowledge of Good and Evil. For this he cursed man kind with the construct called sin. Many generations later he chose Abraham to be his prophet and told him his people would obtain the promised land. This was after God wiped the Earth of Wicked people with the Flood. Many decendants later God gives the laws to Moses for his chosen people. These are contained in the books Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Dueteronomy. These laws told the Jews how to worship, live, eat, have sex, etc, etc.

The law was enforced to keep the line pure in the prophecy that in the line of David would come their savior.

The Jews would then fight multiple campaigns to secure and keep their holy land and eventually Rome would capture Judea. Jesus was born onto the virgin Mary and reaffirmed the laws of the Old testament, yet breaking some on his own, promised salvation, fulfilled the prophecies, and instructed his followers on how to obtain salvation. Then Died on the cross as a sacrifice to God so he could become one with God, so then the new covenant would be confirmed. He rose three days later and proclaimed to his disciples that the new covenant was in effect and told them to preach the Gospel across the land. Promising to return and bring forth righteous judgement within the lifetime of the disciples.

Years later the disciple and their followers are being persecuted by Rome and by the pharisees. Saul/Paul was one of those and when Saul was on the Road to Damascus Jesus appeared before him in a vision and convinced him that he was the real authority. Saul then became Paul and brought the gentiles into the fold with the Jews and helped spread the Gospel to the Roman empire and mixed the Gospels with the Old laws solidifying the Religion known as Christianity.

A few hundred years later the Catholic Church came together and brought together the books of the Bible so the Churches were all on the same pages and disagreed with the Byzantines who would later form Greek Orthodox. Later Revelations would be added to the Bible for reasons Scholars are still fighting over today. But the gist is that when Jesus comes back he will throw the Beast and all its followers into the lake of fire and take his elect with him to the promise land to be with with God.

So What is it that I don't understand? Seems pretty straight forward to me.

We are not concerned with being persecuted. Many of us look forward to it. The point of using that in the title is because the message from the world in speaking out against Christianity is coming from the homosexual community, and they do it from the standpoint of being morally righteous. This post is about the irony of the world in this way, and what the world calls truth, and about how a group of kids, moved by what they know is truth, got up and turned their backs on a lie.

First, I'm glad I'm not a masochist. Second, the rest of your post is just you making claims of what other's think and projecting your views over something that is simple. Dan is pointing out things in the Bible we don't follow anymore, like slavery and levitican Law, and explaining how Christianity and US culture has left those things behind and how eventually people will do the same with LGBT. The people probably left because he dared to point out the obvious to anyone who has actually read the Bible and know the basics of US history.

Please forgive me for laughing. It's not at you. If there is anything you'd like me to answer or explain, I will gladly help, but the intent of the OP was not about the message from Dan Savage. I understand his message fully. I do.

I don't think you do, since I can't get a straight answer from you, and what I have received is just snarky and condescending huff.

 

[Pard]

OK, well I just decided to watch the video.

I love naive people who try to attack things that seem as obvious faults in the Bible without educating themselves to the truth of the matter. On the one hand, I pity the ignorant fool, and on the other I am joyful for his ignorance, for it gives me great humor!

Self-induced ignorance, gotta love it!

 

[Pard]

No, I'm pretty sure I understand your Bible.

I'm pretty sure you don't

 

[Milk-Drops]

OK, well I just decided to watch the video.

I love naive people who try to attack things that seem as obvious faults in the Bible without educating themselves to the truth of the matter. On the one hand, I pity the ignorant fool, and on the other I am joyful for his ignorance, for it gives me great humor!

Self-induced ignorance, gotta love it!

It seems the irony is lost on you that you were arguing with me earlier about subject matter your are now admitting to being completely ignorant of. It confounds me how someone can point can call others fools, when they fully admit to the very crime themselves.

 

[Mike]

Folks, let's keep this a civil discussion.

And another thing. It can be construed as dishonest when someone posts an inflammatory message so it is seen for 15 minutes and then deletes it, stating he doesn't want to cause a scuttle. That might be seen as trying to have it both ways.

 

[Pard]

It seems the irony is lost on you that you were arguing with me earlier about subject matter your are now admitting to being completely ignorant of. It confounds me how someone can point can call others fools, when they fully admit to the very crime themselves.

I never said anything of the like. I was talking about this Dan guy. He is very ignorant.