The No-Trib Rapture Discussion

[Shilohsfoal]

The Bible is actually very much "up to date" with what is happening NOW in the world. I am not that religious to think that I cannot quote from a relevant source about what is happening right now.

And yes I have scripture to prove that the US will turn its back. I believe I have given it already. Unless you think that the US does not fall under "all nations" ?

ALL nations will turn against Israel, that includes America:

Zec 12:3 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all the peoples; all that burden themselves with it shall be sore wounded; and all the nations of the earth shall be gathered together against it.

C

Well it doesnt sound like the king of the north is turning his back on those who forsake the holy covenant to me.
Dan 11;32
And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt with flatteries;but the people who know thier God shall be strong,and do exploits.

Maybe we just dont agree who is Israel.
I believe those who know thier God is Israel.
You believe the Israeli goverment is Israel because it calls itself Israel ,perhaps?
No ,the king of the north is great friends with the Israeli goverment.
The only people he might turn his back on are those who know thier God.

Mabe we can make a new thread about it.
We getting off track again.

 

[Anna1334]

Yes Cornelius and to prove your point how is this for proof.

Obama funds $20M tax To Hamas

Does this sound like a good president to you?
Try and tell the
American people that Obama doesn't have ties to the Islamic terrorist
world.

Obama funds $20M tax
payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the USA

This is
the news that didn't make the headlines...

By executive order,
President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in migration
assist ance to the Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza . The
"presidential determination" which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians
with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States was signed on January
27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.

Few on
Capitol Hill took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with
housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming
support of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election
of January 2006.

A review of Barack Obama's most recent actions
since he was inaugurated a little more than two weeks ago:
His first call to
any head of state as president was to Mahmoud Abbas, leader of Fatah party in
the Palestinian territory.
His first one-on-one interview with any ne ws
organization was with Al Arabia television.
He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed
and all military trials of detainees halted..
He ordered all overseas CIA
interrogation centers closed.20
He withdrew all charges against the
masterminds behind the USS Cole and 9/11..
Now we learn that he is allowing
hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to and live in the US at
American taxpayer expense.
To verify for yourself:
http://www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-0...

 

[Sinthesis]

Yes Cornelius and to prove your point how is this for proof.

Obama funds $20M tax To Hamas

Does this sound like a good president to you?
Try and tell the
American people that Obama doesn't have ties to the Islamic terrorist
world.

Obama funds $20M tax
payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the USA

This is
the news that didn't make the headlines...

By executive order,
President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in migration
assist ance to the Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza . The
"presidential determination" which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians
with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States was signed on January
27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.

Few on
Capitol Hill took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with
housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming
support of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election
of January 2006.

A review of Barack Obama's most recent actions
since he was inaugurated a little more than two weeks ago:
His first call to
any head of state as president was to Mahmoud Abbas, leader of Fatah party in
the Palestinian territory.
His first one-on-one interview with any ne ws
organization was with Al Arabia television.
He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed
and all military trials of detainees halted..
He ordered all overseas CIA
interrogation centers closed.20
He withdrew all charges against the
masterminds behind the USS Cole and 9/11..
Now we learn that he is allowing
hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to and live in the US at
American taxpayer expense.
To verify for yourself:
http://www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-0...

Your interpretation is bogus.
Here is the actual wording.

Presidential Determination No. 2009-15 of January 27, 2009

Unexpected Urgent Refugee and Migration Needs Related To Gaza
Memorandum for the Secretary of State
By the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including section 2(c)(1) of the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act of 1962 (the ``Act''), as amended (22 U.S.C. 2601), I hereby determine, pursuant to section 2(c)(1) of the Act, that it is important to the national interest to furnish assistance under the Act in an amount not to exceed $20.3 million from the United States Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance Fund for the purpose of meeting unexpected and urgent refugee and migration needs, including by contributions to international, governmental, and nongovernmental organizations and payment of administrative expenses of Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration of the Department of State, related to humanitarian needs of Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza.
You are authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.

 

[researcher]

Christians should stay out of politics. We are never called to be patriots, just citizens of the Kingdom (not of ANY earthly kingdom, JUST the heavenly one)

1Pe 1:10 Concerning which salvation the prophets sought and searched diligently...
1Pe 1:11 searching what time or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did point unto,

Dan 2:48 Then the king made Daniel great, and gave him many great gifts, and made him to rule over the whole province of Babylon, and to be chief governor over all the wise men of Babylon.
Dan 2:49 And Daniel requested of the king, and he appointed Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, over the affairs of the province of Babylon: but Daniel was in the gate of the king.

:yes :P :P :P

 

[Vic C.]

Hey, I'm not exactly politically correct in my thinking either, but... :D

Um people, this is an End Times, (no)Rapture topic. I know it's hard to avoid some political talk, but let's try to stay on topic please.

Thanks.

 

[researcher]

Lol. Sorry Vic. I'll try and stick to Biblical politics.

 

[Cornelius]

Christians should stay out of politics. We are never called to be patriots, just citizens of the Kingdom (not of ANY earthly kingdom, JUST the heavenly one)

1Pe 1:10 Concerning which salvation the prophets sought and searched diligently...
1Pe 1:11 searching what time or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did point unto,

Dan 2:48 Then the king made Daniel great, and gave him many great gifts, and made him to rule over the whole province of Babylon, and to be chief governor over all the wise men of Babylon.
Dan 2:49 And Daniel requested of the king, and he appointed Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, over the affairs of the province of Babylon: but Daniel was in the gate of the king.

:yes :P :P :P

Yes, they are types and shadows. This type and shadow is also repeated in Joseph, when Pharaoh (a type for God in this story) makes Joseph second in command in His Kingdom. This points to the man child ministry in Rev 12. So its not pointing to Christians in worldly governments , its really pointing to the Kingdom of God.

You will also find the same type and shadow in Esther (bride) who rules with Mordecai (man child) against those (antichrist) who want to kill the Jews (Christians)

 

[Cornelius]

I think we should talk about the military in another thread

C

 

[researcher]

I think we should talk about the military in another thread

C

Sounds good!

*edited by staff*

 

[shad]

I think we should talk about the military in another thread

C

Sounds good!

Now about them gays... ;)

announcement:

I just started new thread at apologetics, regarding politically correct practice.

thank you

 

[Vic C.]

I think we should talk about the military in another thread

C

Yes, before I have to lock this for lack of interest in the subject of the OP. :gah

 

[researcher]

I'll put us back on topic! :D

The following verses would all be past tense.

Dan 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee; and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.
Dan 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron, forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things; and as iron that crusheth all these, shall it break in pieces and crush.
Dan 2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
Dan 2:42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
Dan 2:43 And whereas thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men; but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron doth not mingle with clay.
Dan 2:44 And in the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall the sovereignty thereof be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

The kingdom of God was setup while Jesus was on earth (and shortly after his death at Pentacost) during the time of the 4th empire (the Roman Empire), thus putting Daniel 2:39-44 all in the past. The 4th empire came and went, along with the 10 toes.


Mar 1:15 and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe in the gospel.

Luk 17:21 neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There!
for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There are some here of them that stand by, who shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God come with power.