The No-Trib Rapture Discussion

[Cornelius]

At any rate, if they are different, they would occur at roughly the same time. The point was more, the armies of the beast aren't literally killed by a literal sword, and aren't eaten by literal birds. The sword is the word of God, and, the birds are spirits, demons, etc. Whichever. And since the gospel was preached to the whole world (Rom 16:26) and they didn't believe, they were as good as dead. :D

That is right, we will have the wedding feast at the same time as the supper of God.
Its the final war this planet will ever see. Some people have their heads in the sand right now and are refusing to see what is happening in the world. How the US government is leading us all to the One Word Order. They are in denial. There are even people who are NOT Christians, that seem to know more than Christians about the time we live in.

C

There are two wars in Revelation. They are separated by the millenium. Chapter 19 is the first one, chapter 20 is the second one.

In one Israel (Jerusalem) is destroyed, in the other, it is protected.

And this is the end result of the second one - (See Ezekiel 38 & 39 for Gog)
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am Jehovah their God, from that day and forward.

Like I said, we do not have long to wait, it is here . Soon now, all "theory" is going to pass away, when we realize that the great tribulation is indeed about to start. The fig tree has started to bud and this generation will not pass away before all has happened.

Watch this is about to happen : The economy is about to take one more upturn. Then another "9-11" type of disaster is going to hit. The economy is not going to recover from this. Marshall law is actually on the lips of the US government as we speak.The UN has already prepared the UWP (United World Parliament) who will rule over the 10 magma regions (ten kings) The United Religions (False Prophet) is ready to bring the religions of the world together as one (our own dear Bishop Desmond Tutu is working very hard to bring this about, so is many Christian pastors around the word as is also in my own country. Helped along by Rev Moon and his many organizations, supported by famous TV evangelists in the US and also ex pres. Bush ) Pres Obama is going to take the US very much further to the left.
C

 

[Cornelius]

The US is about to turn against Israel. My country has done it already . (we use to be great allies with Israel in the past, but no more)

Have you counted how many pro-Israel people Obama has placed in the government ?

 

[4thangelofEuphrates]

Yes ( Vic.c ) you are correct about the 40 years for a generations.

To add to ( C ) last post.
I have learned that if you wish to catch a mouse you must first bait the trap.

Meaning: I think the reason the US will turn on Israel is because of what the Islamic
religious people done on 9-11 and in other countries around the world. Even though
supposedly Osama and his followers were extremist, they were Islamic. And the
Dome of the Rock of Islam sits right in the middle of Jerusalem, so I do believe that
there will be even more terrorist attacks from Islamic followers to bait the US to come
by it self or with other countries to get them to come and try and lay siege on
Jerusalem.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The US is about to turn against Israel. My country has done it already . (we use to be great allies with Israel in the past, but no more)

Have you counted how many pro-Israel people Obama has placed in the government ?

Obama has one who was born in Israel and was in the Israeli army.
The chief of staff .Ralm Emanuel.
But I dont see the US turning its back on those who forsake the holy covenant.
Matter of fact I think the US will move the embassy to Jerusalem

 

[Cornelius]

The US is about to turn against Israel. My country has done it already . (we use to be great allies with Israel in the past, but no more)

Have you counted how many pro-Israel people Obama has placed in the government ?

Obama has one who was born in Israel and was in the Israeli army.
The chief of staff .Ralm Emanuel.
But I dont see the US turning its back on those who forsake the holy covenant.
Matter of fact I think the US will move the embassy to Jerusalem

If the USA is so pro Israel, why is your president helping the Palestinians ? Why open your doors to them and why use tax payer money to import the enemies of Israel into your country?

Why not do the same for Zimbabwe, where millions are in danger at the moment?

There IS a reason for this:

Presidential Determination No. 2009-15 of January 27, 2009

Unexpected Urgent Refugee and Migration Needs Related To Gaza
Memorandum for the Secretary of State
By the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including section 2(c)(1) of the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act of 1962 (the ``Act''), as amended (22 U.S.C. 2601), I hereby determine, pursuant to section 2(c)(1) of the Act, that it is important to the national interest to furnish assistance under the Act in an amount not to exceed $20.3 million from the United States Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance Fund for the purpose of meeting unexpected and urgent refugee and migration needs, including by contributions to international, governmental, and nongovernmental organizations and payment of administrative expenses of Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration of the Department of State, related to humanitarian needs of Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza.
You are authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.


(Presidential Sig.)
THE WHITE HOUSE,
Washington, January 27, 2009
[FR Doc. E9-2488
Filed 2-3-09; 8:45 am]
Billing code 4710-10-P

 

[researcher]

Like I said, we do not have long to wait, it is here . Soon now, all "theory" is going to pass away, when we realize that the great tribulation is indeed about to start. The fig tree has started to bud and this generation will not pass away before all has happened.

Watch this is about to happen : The economy is about to take one more upturn. Then another "9-11" type of disaster is going to hit. The economy is not going to recover from this. Marshall law is actually on the lips of the US government as we speak.The UN has already prepared the UWP (United World Parliament) who will rule over the 10 magma regions (ten kings) The United Religions (False Prophet) is ready to bring the religions of the world together as one (our own dear Bishop Desmond Tutu is working very hard to bring this about, so is many Christian pastors around the word as is also in my own country. Helped along by Rev Moon and his many organizations, supported by famous TV evangelists in the US and also ex pres. Bush ) Pres Obama is going to take the US very much further to the left.
C

The beast is gone, that was 2000 years ago. There are no 10 horns. There is almost nothing written about the time we live in. Satan is let loose, and, armies attack the saints, whoever that is. Obama is not of my countrymen, that's the truth. I believe Satan put him where he is. But, there will be more Presidents, and good ones who are God's. Don't know how many, but, there will be a few more.

 

[Cornelius]

The beast is gone, that was 2000 years ago.

Yes I know, and they never went to the moon and the earth is flat.. LOL

Anyway: here is more about the US and Israel , this news is current:

Thursday, March 19, 2009
Update: Israel's chief of staff comes home early after doors close in Obama's Washington
WASHINGTON  Israeli Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi cut short his visit to Washington after getting an extraordinarily cool reception from the new U.S. administration.



Last year, Israeli Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi had no problem setting up meetings with top officials in the U.S. government.

On his current trip to Washington, Ashkenazi sought to meet the administration of President Barack Obama, but most officials were unavailable.

A statement to WorldTribune.com by the Israel Defense Forces spokesman attempted to downplay the snubs. But diplomatic sources said Ashkenazi failed to obtain access to any Cabinet member, including Defense Secretary Robert Gates. The Israeli military chief, who sought to discuss the Iranian nuclear threat, was also unable meet his counterpart, Adm. Michael Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribun ... _03_19.asp

 

[researcher]

The US is about to turn against Israel. My country has done it already . (we use to be great allies with Israel in the past, but no more)

Have you counted how many pro-Israel people Obama has placed in the government ?

Eze 38:2 Son of man, set thy face toward Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
Eze 38:5 Persia, Cush, and Put with them
Eze 38:6 Gomer, and all his hordes; the house of Togarmah in the uttermost parts of the north,

America is not to the North of Israel. That would be the M.E. or Russia, or both. America is no where in any prophecy that is evident.

 

[researcher]

The beast is gone, that was 2000 years ago.

Yes I know, and they never went to the moon and the earth is flat.. LOL

Anyway: here is more about the US and Israel , this news is current

:P Rome was Daniel's 4th beast. That part's over. Next is armies to the North of Israel, probably Russia and the Arabs.

There will be more white Presidents who are allies with Israel. Who knows what Obama will do. If he goes too far, someone will probably just shoot him. :D Lol, no, j/p. LOL. :D

 

[Cornelius]

The US is about to turn against Israel. My country has done it already . (we use to be great allies with Israel in the past, but no more)

Have you counted how many pro-Israel people Obama has placed in the government ?

Eze 38:2 Son of man, set thy face toward Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
Eze 38:5 Persia, Cush, and Put with them
Eze 38:6 Gomer, and all his hordes; the house of Togarmah in the uttermost parts of the north,

America is not to the North of Israel. That would be the M.E. or Russia, or both. America is no where in any prophecy that is evident.

Yes, those scriptures do not speak about America.

America is obviously in prophecy, ............follow the eagle.

 

[researcher]

The US is about to turn against Israel. My country has done it already . (we use to be great allies with Israel in the past, but no more)

Have you counted how many pro-Israel people Obama has placed in the government ?

Eze 38:2 Son of man, set thy face toward Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
Eze 38:5 Persia, Cush, and Put with them
Eze 38:6 Gomer, and all his hordes; the house of Togarmah in the uttermost parts of the north,

America is not to the North of Israel. That would be the M.E. or Russia, or both. America is no where in any prophecy that is evident.

Yes, those scriptures do not speak about America.

America is obviously in prophecy, ............follow the eagle.

The eagle would also be in the past.

 

[Cornelius]

ALL nations (people) will turn against Israel, that includes America:

Zec 12:3 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all the peoples; all that burden themselves with it shall be sore wounded; and all the nations of the earth shall be gathered together against it.

 

[Cornelius]

Joe 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring back the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2 I will gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat; and I will execute judgment upon them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations: and they have parted my land, (Sounds familiar ? What happened the last time the US talked about dividing Jerusalem, ........I think it was the time of the Californian fire ? )
Joe 3:3 and have cast lots for my people, and have given a boy for a harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they may drink.

 

[Cornelius]

The eagle would also be in the past.

That is correct. That is why you can follow this spirit as it travels through the history of this planet.

Look up what the "eagle" has done in the past and you will know what the eagle is about to do again.


Ecc 1:9 That which hath been is that which shall be; and that which hath been done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

 

[Cornelius]

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/130425

Ex-US Envoy Bolton: Obama ‘Bad News for Israel’

by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu

(IsraelNN.com) The Obama government’s thinking that Arab-Israeli peace is the key to Mideast stability “is bad news for Israel - and for America," former United States Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton wrote in the New York Post on Friday

Bolton said that President Barack Obama and his advisors have adopted the theory that the “overwhelming bulk of other Middle Eastern grievances, wholly or partly, stem from Israel's founding and continued existence.â€Â............

............““Accordingly, the Obama administration has created a negotiating dynamic that puts increasing pressure on Israel, Palestinians, Syria and others.†Bolton wrote. Almost invariably, Israel is the loser - because Israel is the party most dependent on the United States, most subject to U.S. pressure and most susceptible to the inevitable chorus of received wisdom from Western diplomats, media and the intelligentsia demanding concessions. When pressure must be applied to make compromises, it is always easier to pressure the more reasonable side.“How will diplomatic pressure work to change Hamas or Hizbullah, where even military force has so far failed? If anything, one can predict coming pressure on Israel to acknowledge the legitimacy of these two terrorist groups, and to negotiate with them as equals (albeit perhaps under some artful camouflage).â€Â

He maintained that the Obama approach is backwards and that it should focus on Iran and friendly Arab states instead of thinking incorrectly that the Iranian nuclear threat and the Al Qaeda terrorist network will disappear following the creation of a PA state.

 

[Cornelius]

America 'Moves Towards Abandonment of Israel'

by IsraelNN Staff

(IsraelNN.com) An unnamed former highly-placed U.S.intelligence official has broken silence and says that America may soon be abandoning Israel in favor of the Arabs. “This is just the beginningâ€Â, he said, "Israel could be about to lose the support of the United States."............

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/130501

 

[Cornelius]

The eagle would also be in the past.

That is correct. That is why you can follow this spirit as it travels through the history of this planet.

Look up what the "eagle" has done in the past and you will know what the eagle is about to do again.


Ecc 1:9 That which hath been is that which shall be; and that which hath been done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

In Assyrian myths the eagle was the symbol of storms and lightning and the god who carried souls to Hades. In India and Babylon the eagle was the symbol of fire, wind and storms, and regarded as the messenger of immortality. In the Golden Age of Greece, it was the emblem of victory and supreme spiritual energy. The eagle was the sacred bird of Zeus, the ruler of all gods. The Greeks represented eagles with wings outstretched, holding a serpent in their claws, which signified the triumph of good over evil. In Rome, an eagle was the symbol of Jupiter, the supreme god. For the Romans the eagle was the sign of victory. As Roman legions conquered the world, they marched under the standard of the eagle, with outstretched wings.

Where is this eagle today that is out to conquer the world ?

Eagle was the personal emblem of the Caesars who represented supreme authority.

Kind of like a One Word Order authority is supreme.

Afterwards, in the Middle Ages, it became the symbol of Germany.

Didn't Germany plan to rule the world and exterminate all non Arians? Like a One Word Oder ?

Being a symbol of power and authority, it retains a prominent place in America as was in ancient Rome

Interesting, Rome was a One World Order at its time too.

The emblems of the President, Vice President, several members of the Cabinet, and most branches of the armed forces center on the eagle. The Apollo 11 crew chose "Eagle" as the name for the first lunar landing module. Man was on the moon with the words of Eagle Scout Neil Armstrong: "Houston, Tranquility Base here -- The Eagle has landed".

And throughout the history, the eagle is profoundly associated with man's triumph, valor and victory.

(Not God's triumph )

The qualities that are attributed to a symbol may or may not be realistic or accurate. But in any case, a symbol is chosen to represent qualities or characteristics that in some sense are expressions of the ideals of that culture. Because of its large size, nomadic lifestyle, striking visage, and graceful flight, the eagle has symbolized great power, strength, freedom, elegance, and independence to many cultures throughout history. So an Eagle stands for a nation or a person who soars to the highest realms of truth and knows no fear and no bounds of time and space. It is the symbol of a passion, an ambition, an ideal as the Eagle is seen high above in the heavens and is endowed with exalted spirits. The Eagle is fiery, majestic, vigorous and robust whose kingdom is the boundless and never-ending sky, which is swift in pursuit, terrible in battle. He is a king, a fighting and formidable king. Soaring with scholar's thought and world high into the regions of truth and excellence, flapping his glorious wings and casting his ominous shadow below, the Eagle without any iota of doubt gives an immensely ominous look and leaves an indelible impression on the mind.

 

[Vic C.]

Um people, this is an End Times, (no)Rapture topic. I know it's hard to avoid some political talk, but let's try to stay on topic please.

Thanks.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

America 'Moves Towards Abandonment of Israel'

by IsraelNN Staff

(IsraelNN.com) An unnamed former highly-placed U.S.intelligence official has broken silence and says that America may soon be abandoning Israel in favor of the Arabs. “This is just the beginningâ€Â, he said, "Israel could be about to lose the support of the United States."............

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/130501

You are quoting non biblical documents from people who dont understand scripture.
Wouldnt you think a christian would understand prophecy better than those who forsake the holy covenant?Keep it biblical.I said I believed the US will move its embassy to Jerusalem and this is scripture that makes me believe it.

Dan 11;45
And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy montain;yet he shall come to his end,and none shall help him.

Do you have scripture that says the US will turn its back on those who forsake the holy covenant?

The rapture takes place in the following verse,Daniel 12;1.

 

[Cornelius]

America 'Moves Towards Abandonment of Israel'

by IsraelNN Staff

(IsraelNN.com) An unnamed former highly-placed U.S.intelligence official has broken silence and says that America may soon be abandoning Israel in favor of the Arabs. “This is just the beginningâ€Â, he said, "Israel could be about to lose the support of the United States."............

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/130501

You are quoting non biblical documents from people who dont understand scripture.
Wouldnt you think a christian would understand prophecy better than those who forsake the holy covenant?Keep it biblical.I said I believed the US will move its embassy to Jerusalem and this is scripture that makes me believe it.

Dan 11;45
And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy montain;yet he shall come to his end,and none shall help him.

Do you have scripture that says the US will turn its back on those who forsake the holy covenant?

The rapture takes place in the following verse,Daniel 12;1.

The Bible is actually very much "up to date" with what is happening NOW in the world. I am not that religious to think that I cannot quote from a relevant source about what is happening right now.

And yes I have scripture to prove that the US will turn its back. I believe I have given it already. Unless you think that the US does not fall under "all nations" ?

ALL nations will turn against Israel, that includes America:

Zec 12:3 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all the peoples; all that burden themselves with it shall be sore wounded; and all the nations of the earth shall be gathered together against it.

C