The Pope says "all religions lead to God"

[Fastfredy0]

I said an infant that dies without baptism cannot enter the kingdom of heaven, i did not say it goes to hell, it has no personal sin it also has no grace and Jn 3:5 says not enter without baptism

Agreed... I assumed that if a person doesn't go to heaven that the only alternative was hell.... where to the unbaptized infants go? ... maybe your answer is "we don't know" ...if so, fair enough

But infants and fetus' that are baptized...they go to heaven ?????

 

[electedbyHim]

Where did i say that?

I said an infant that dies without baptism cannot enter the kingdom of heaven, i did not say it goes to hell, it has no personal sin it also has no grace and Jn 3:5 says not enter without baptism

There are many things we don’t know, Christ did not tell us everything and there are mysteries
The mystery of faith
The mystery of the trinity and the nature of God
The mystery of Christ and His church eph 5:32 acts 9:4 isa 53:5 etc.

Dogma the nature of God incomprehensible to man!

Thanks

I said an infant that dies without baptism cannot enter the kingdom of heaven, i did not say it goes to hell, it has no personal sin it also has no grace and Jn 3:5 says not enter without baptism

Where does the infant go?

All humans (babies) are born in sin.

Psalms 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

 

[Fastfredy0]

All humans (babies) are born in sin.

I think donadams qualified his statement by saying no PERSONAL sin.

 

[electedbyHim]

I think donadams qualified his statement by saying no PERSONAL sin.

Can you elaboarte on PERSONAL sin?

I am not certain I am familair with the term.

 

[donadams]

Agreed... I assumed that if a person doesn't go to heaven that the only alternative was hell.... where to the unbaptized infants go? ... maybe your answer is "we don't know" ...if so, fair enough

But infants and fetus' that are baptized...they go to heaven ?????

Infants who die after baptism yes heaven

Jn 3:5
2 pet 1:11

Know we dont know what happens to those who die without baptism but we do know God is merciful
Limbo
Really its our understanding that is in limbo. Thks

 

[donadams]

I think donadams qualified his statement by saying no PERSONAL sin.

Original sin yes and devoid of grace and union with Christ which is they need baptism

 

[Fastfredy0]

Can you elaboarte on PERSONAL sin?

I am not certain I am familair with the term.

I'm not sure. A baby is born in sin but I assume has "committed no sin" which is the PERSONAL part.

 

[Fastfredy0]

Infants who die after baptism yes heaven

So, if a baby is born dead does a baptism still send it to heaven? If so, how long after a soul is dead can a baptism be made to send the soul to heaven? Could I go to a grave site and dig up a 4 year old babies corpse and baptize it and thus send the soul to heaven?
Thx

 

[donadams]

So, if a baby is born dead does a baptism still send it to heaven? If so, how long after a soul is dead can a baptism be made to send the soul to heaven? Could I go to a grave site and dig up a 4 year old babies corpse and baptize it and thus send the soul to heaven?
Thx

No knowledge of this but i think the child needs to be alive

 

[Fastfredy0]

No knowledge of this but i think the child needs to be alive

Hmmmm, interesting. Thx