freeway01 said:
Watchman F. questions for you?
If the post trib is true, which I do not believe it is and that scripture does not support this "theory" But just for sake of argument let’s say it is true, then answer these questions.
When is the wedding feast of the Lamb and his bride to take place?
Jesus said I go to prepare a place for you, “home†if I go I will come again and get you.
When does the feast of trumpet take place which preludes the wedding?
If we are not raptured until the end “post†and all are changed, who populates the world for the 1000 yr mil.
If Jesus comes as a thief in the night, but at the second coming a sign is given in the heavens.
It says God collects his elect from the four corners of heaven. Why because we are in heaven.
Paul tells us a mystery, “secret†the rapture, harpazo, snatched away, whatever, we will not all sleep.
It will be like the time of Noah, “Normal†at the second coming "post rapture?" Antichrist, false prophet, 144000 Billy Grahams, Beheadings, oceans turned to blood, no green vegetation all has been burnt up. The whole world non believers, will be cover will sores. Demon type locust from the bottomless pit upon mankind. The sun hotter than ever to burn man. Angels flying through the sky preaching the gospel. The armies of the world in the valley of Megiddo at war. Earth quakes have level every mountain and every island has disappeared form the earth. Three quarter of man has been killed. Men are praying for the rocks to fall on them. I could go on but you get the point. If this is normal, then what is un-normal. I am in no way questioning Jesus, but merely questioning your interpretation of scriptures.
hi, i know this post wasnt to me but since a whole other thing is going on here too i want to answer some of it if you do not mind.*
Q"Jesus said I go to prepare a place for you, “home†if I go I will come again and get you."
A.When you read this whole chapter you will find that the place He is preparing for us is US as the temple the habitation of the Lord. He tells us elsewhere that He must go so that the Holy SPirit can come and dwell IN US. Paul shows us that we become the temple- the house of God when His Spirit lives in us.He went to heaven so He could come again to us In the Holy Spirit to swell in our bodies and make us the house of God.- Now we are tne temple of God. But we will put on our perfect innoccruptable bodies at His coming but that is not what this chapter is about.
QIf we are not raptured until the end “post†and all are changed, who populates the world for the 1000 yr mil.
A. The wicked nations populate the millenium. We beleivers are changed and rewarded and rule and reign on thrones in heaven during the mill reighn. and those on earth we are ruling over are the nations.
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give [thee] the heathen [for] thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth [for] thy possession.
Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Rev 20:4 ¶ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.
Q If Jesus comes as a thief in the night, but at the second coming a sign is given in the heavens.
A Jesus comes to them as a thief because they did not know He was going to come, they were too busy minding worldly lusts to be aware of the hour of his coming. It does not mean that when He comes they dont know He is there- it means that His coming takes them by suprise.The term theif in the night was about the prsits who were to stay awake and keep the fires buringing at the temple. When they would fall asleep and get caught sleeping coals of the fire would get put on their clothing until they were all caught fire and they would WAKE UP on fire and their clothes burning off and they would run away with their nakedness exposed. So it was always about being caught off guard but having your sleep awakened now that it was toooo late.
Q "It says God collects his elect from the four corners of heaven. Why because we are in heaven."
A Because some of us are asleep- dead- and some of us are on earth all over the earth. he raises the dead in Christ first and then we who are alive are caught up together with them.
Q Paul tells us a mystery, “secret†the rapture, harpazo, snatched away, whatever, we will not all sleep.
A. A mystery means something that is not revealed to others that is revealed to us. This was true of the gospel uniting jews and gentiles, the purpose of God for the church, and the resurection and rapture of the dead in CHrist.- This does not refer to the literal event being a secret when it happens. it refers to the event being something that is a mystery for only Gods people to understand. Just like Jesus told the disciples, unto you it isi given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God- but unto them it is not given.
Q It will be like the time of Noah, “Normal†at the second coming "post rapture?" Antichrist, false prophet, 144000 Billy Grahams, Beheadings, oceans turned to blood, no green vegetation all has been burnt up. The whole world non believers, will be cover will sores. Demon type locust from the bottomless pit upon mankind. The sun hotter than ever to burn man. Angels flying through the sky preaching the gospel. The armies of the world in the valley of Megiddo at war. Earth quakes have level every mountain and every island has disappeared form the earth. Three quarter of man has been killed. Men are praying for the rocks to fall on them. I could go on but you get the point. If this is normal, then what is un-normal
A.Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
The assumption that this is " normal" is not an accurate one. It does not say that the world will be normal, only that they will still be marrying and giving in marriage, eating and drinking. This shows us that they are still stiving to live worldly oblivious lives. The harder things get on worldly people, the more they STRIVE for worldly comfort. We see that even in rev 11 with the two witnesses when they are killed everyone gives gifts to each otherRev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Just because people are marrying and drinking does not mean that things on earth are not bad. However besides that many of the things in revelation are not as they appear in the letter. Not everything we read is physical but some is also spiritual and those who were already spiritually dead will not notice those things happening at all.
hope this helps some.
