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Nope, can't say that I have. Sounds fun, though...Hey dad, ever been to a Greek festival before?
I went to one Sunday afternoon.
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Nope, can't say that I have. Sounds fun, though...Hey dad, ever been to a Greek festival before?
I went to one Sunday afternoon.
You and your 10 kids would have loved it.Nope, can't say that I have. Sounds fun, though...
You and your 10 kids would have loved it.
I think you do have a good idea. Scriptures that speak things such as, ye are yet carnal, and about the renewing of the mind indicates this. 1 Corinthians 3:3, Titus 3:5.And here i thought i had a good idea... i have never read Luthers work.
This is how it reads in my bible..
Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
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Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Salvation = blood atonement = "done deal".
And, on the flip side, an obedient, trusting, faith justifies...every time, without exception.The only kind of faith that justifies is the faith that obeys.
Faith that does not obey is dead.
JLB
I just reread this and I think I misunderstood your point. Are you saying that Abraham had faith that "had works attached" in Gen. 12, but that "faith that had works attached" didn't justify him until years later?But the faith that he had that had works attached did not justify him until Genesis 15:6..
Yes.I just reread this and I think I misunderstood your point. Are you saying that Abraham had faith that "had works attached" in Gen. 12, but that "faith that had works attached" didn't justify him until years later?
No.
There is one other point that I would like clarification on. Does a faith that "does something" and trusts God and obeys God, "categorically and without exception" justify? Your "faith that does something" is a straw man. Remember, we are talking about Abraham's faith in Gen. 12. He "went out" (obeyed) "not knowing where ehe was to go" (trusted). This is the "kind" of faith he had and what you have to call "commendable" to "keep your doctrine", and is what I would say, without exception, justifies.This is the sticking point you can't seem to see any other way: Faith does not justify categorically and without exception just because it did something.
Ok, why? What makes you think so? Was the faith he showed in Gen. 15 of a different kind than in Gen. 12?Yes.
No.There is one other point that I would like clarification on. Does a faith that "does something" and trusts God and obeys God, "categorically and without exception" justify?
Are we done here?
Do you have some place else to go?Are we done here?
Almost.Are we done here?
Either that, or the object of his faith was different. Maybe both.Ok, why? What makes you think so? Was the faith he showed in Gen. 15 of a different kind than in Gen. 12?
All we know is he was justified in Genesis 15
The object of his faith was the Triune God. Are you saying he believed in some other God in Gen. 12?Either that, or the object of his faith was different. Maybe both.
No, sorry. You haven't answered my questions concerning Rom. 4:13 yet.All we know is he was justified in Genesis 15, not Genesis 12, because that's what the Bible actually says,