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The Protestant Pope and The Passion

I think it is possible that the Reverend Father Martin Luther perhaps had the right idea but went about it the wrong way, trying to make too many changes too fast and the Church hierarchy wasn't ready or open to it. In fact, in my opinion change in the Church should come slowly and with careful consideration for we must take care to not be tossed about on the winds of doctrine as Paul put it.
 
How do you know so much?
I've been Born again for 58 Years, I'm officially "Roman Catholic" (since I was baptized as one, although never "confirmed") I've had 58 years to study the beliefs and Traditions of the Roman Catholic Church (among many other Denominations), I've read extensively, and easily recognize the paganism, and departures from Biblical teaching in the foolishness that they teach for "doctrine". Roman Catholicism is essentially a "Salvation by WORKS" religious system, which is exactly why Luther kicked off the Reformation to resore the Biblical "Salvation BY FAITH" theology. He WANTED to restore his beloved Catholic Church to the truth, and the MIRACLE IS that they weren't able to murder him for trying.
 
LOL - coffee always helps!

Which faction decides who's right???

And, yes, hawkman,,,NOW you understand the O.P. !

Someone should have the authority to state that The Passion (Bible) is not legitimate and that it shouldn't be used.
Someone should have the authority to state whether or not OSAS is a correct doctrine. (teaching).
etc.

If the Holy Spirit were the leader...why do we all believe something different??
Are you serious?
Why do you think we have an ecumenical council?
 
I believe one such denomination is the one I've been battling (I will no longer name them). They seem to be untouchable and have the apparent blessings of law enforcement, government at every level and corporate/media empowerment to do and teach the latest socially acceptable propaganda whenever/however they please.
You must be from England
 
I've been Born again for 58 Years, I'm officially "Roman Catholic" (since I was baptized as one, although never "confirmed") I've had 58 years to study the beliefs and Traditions of the Roman Catholic Church (among many other Denominations), I've read extensively, and easily recognize the paganism, and departures from Biblical teaching in the foolishness that they teach for "doctrine". Roman Catholicism is essentially a "Salvation by WORKS" religious system, which is exactly why Luther kicked off the Reformation to resore the Biblical "Salvation BY FAITH" theology. He WANTED to restore his beloved Catholic Church to the truth, and the MIRACLE IS that they weren't able to murder him for trying.
So do you think it's true that all roman catholics are going to hell?
Do you think you could learn anything from a roman catholic?
How long have you been on this vendetta against the roman catholic church?
Do you see any relief in your spirit from denouncing them continually?
 
So do you think it's true that all roman catholics are going to hell?
Nope, there are Roman Catholics who are Born Again Christians. I worshiped with a lot of 'em during the '70s.
AND there are Roman Catholics that are nothing but "Roman Catholics" and don't have a CLUE about what a Christian even is.
Do you think you could learn anything from a roman catholic?
Nope - their Denominations aren't Biblical. They have NOTHING to teach me.
How long have you been on this vendetta against the roman catholic church?
Do you see any relief in your spirit from denouncing them continually?
As long as I understood their errors - probably 70 years now. Growing up among Catholics, and seeing how "Spiritual" they ACTUALLY were Started it off (Live however you want, and get the nice Priest to "blow it off" in confession), and when I Actually got Born Again, and got SPiritual understanding, then Speaking the truth about the Roman church system is just NORMAL for me. Hopefully I've planted some seeds of doubt, that will cause folks to seek the TRUTH.
 
Nope, there are Roman Catholics who are Born Again Christians. I worshiped with a lot of 'em during the '70s.
AND there are Roman Catholics that are nothing but "Roman Catholics" and don't have a CLUE about what a Christian even is.

Nope - their Denominations aren't Biblical. They have NOTHING to teach me.

As long as I understood their errors - probably 70 years now. Growing up among Catholics, and seeing how "Spiritual" they ACTUALLY were Started it off (Live however you want, and get the nice Priest to "blow it off" in confession), and when I Actually got Born Again, and got SPiritual understanding, then Speaking the truth about the Roman church system is just NORMAL for me. Hopefully I've planted some seeds of doubt, that will cause folks to seek the TRUTH.
You have no rest.
 
Nope, there are Roman Catholics who are Born Again Christians. I worshiped with a lot of 'em during the '70s.
AND there are Roman Catholics that are nothing but "Roman Catholics" and don't have a CLUE about what a Christian even is.

Nope - their Denominations aren't Biblical. They have NOTHING to teach me.

As long as I understood their errors - probably 70 years now. Growing up among Catholics, and seeing how "Spiritual" they ACTUALLY were Started it off (Live however you want, and get the nice Priest to "blow it off" in confession), and when I Actually got Born Again, and got SPiritual understanding, then Speaking the truth about the Roman church system is just NORMAL for me. Hopefully I've planted some seeds of doubt, that will cause folks to seek the TRUTH.
Bob, what about those roman catholics you say you worshipped with?
Do you think they want to hear you bash them even now in 2021?
Where is the love?
Jesus loves them.
Did you know that?

Did you know that I could say a lot of bad things about the assemblies of God if I wanted to?
Was a member there once.
But God doesn't want me to do that.
Do you think you could talk about roman catholics "with love" rather than with "anger and shouting"?
I bet more people would listen.

If you haven't gotten over the roman catholic church by now, it's time to give it to God and be free from it.
 
Bob, what about those roman catholics you say you worshipped with?
Do you think they want to hear you bash them even now in 2021?
WE didn't worship as "Catholic" / "Protesant" - we worshipped as Born Again Christians, which had nothing to do with either of our Denominations (the '70s were a different time when the UNIMPORTANCE of denominational theology was made clear to us all).
Did you know that I could say a lot of bad things about the assemblies of God if I wanted to?
And I'll guarantee that you wouldn't come up with anything that would be "news" to me at all.

I'm a MEMBER of the Assemblies of God, been one for most of the last 58 years, but I'm not "Defined" theologically by them. BUT HEY!!!! Their MISSIONARY activities are second to none in the world. And the new Pope doesn't see the necessity of even evangelizing Jews, or Islamics.
 
Wow.

No wonder catholics feel so unwelcome among their brethren!

Where is the love?

And why don't Protestants know church history?

Why do catholics feel unwelcome?. I have nothing against catholic individuals and i still see catholics as brethren i just dont think the organisation itself is very straight, and that being said i believe the same goes for many non catholic churches as well.

Im just a individual non denominaional believer in Christ.
 
Why do catholics feel unwelcome?. I have nothing against catholic individuals and i still see catholics as brethren i just dont think the organisation itself is very straight, and that being said i believe the same goes for many non catholic churches as well.

Im just a individual non denominaional believer in Christ.
Well, you're a nice individual Dan...
But some just concentrate too much on doctrine instead of having a conversation.

I think Catholics should be treated like anyone else with whom we don't agree fully.
They have most doctrine right....no denomination is perfect.
 
WE didn't worship as "Catholic" / "Protesant" - we worshipped as Born Again Christians, which had nothing to do with either of our Denominations (the '70s were a different time when the UNIMPORTANCE of denominational theology was made clear to us all).

And I'll guarantee that you wouldn't come up with anything that would be "news" to me at all.

I'm a MEMBER of the Assemblies of God, been one for most of the last 58 years, but I'm not "Defined" theologically by them. BUT HEY!!!! Their MISSIONARY activities are second to none in the world. And the new Pope doesn't see the necessity of even evangelizing Jews, or Islamics.

It would either be them....
or those that do NOT like that version!

I'm hoping those that do NOT like it....
I think Bob Carrabio would make a good protestant pope.
What do you think Bob?
 
Well, you're a nice individual Dan...
But some just concentrate too much on doctrine instead of having a conversation.

I think Catholics should be treated like anyone else with whom we don't agree fully.
They have most doctrine right....no denomination is perfect.

What do catholics believe that other christians dont believe?. I dont even know. I dont think anyone fully agree with everyone on everything but the fundation and salvation is the same belief. Thats the main thing.

I think the catholic church has some practices im not a fan of like human mediators instead of going directly to Christ as mediator and High priest, and lots of idols and statues in Gods house but anyhow i dont take part in it.
 
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But some just concentrate too much on doctrine instead of having a conversation.
But when it comes to the Gospel, doctrine is of utmost importance...

Galatians 1:8-9 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed! NASB

[8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. [9] As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema. Douay

That's one area we don't want to get wrong.

Deuteronomy 32:2 (KJV) My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:


Proverbs 4:2 (KJV) For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.

Isaiah 28:9 (KJV) Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

Isaiah 29:24 (KJV) They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.

Matthew 7:28 (KJV) And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:

Matthew 16:12 (KJV) Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Matthew 22:33 (KJV) And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.

Mark 1:22 (KJV) And they were astonished at his doctrine: for he taught them as one that had authority, and not as the scribes.

Mark 1:27 (KJV) And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among themselves, saying, What thing is this? what new doctrine is this? for with authority commandeth he even the unclean spirits, and they do obey him.

Mark 4:2 (KJV) And he taught them many things by parables, and said unto them in his doctrine,

Mark 11:18 (KJV) And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine.

Mark 12:38 (KJV) And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,

Luke 4:32 (KJV) And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power.

John 7:16 (KJV) Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 7:17 (KJV) If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

John 18:19 (KJV) The high priest then asked Jesus of his disciples, and of his doctrine.

Acts 2:42 (KJV) And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 5:28 (KJV) Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.

Acts 13:12 (KJV) Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord.

Romans 6:17 (KJV) But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Romans 16:17 (KJV) Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

1 Corinthians 14:6 (KJV) Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

1 Corinthians 14:26 (KJV) How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

Ephesians 4:14 (KJV) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

1 Timothy 1:3 (KJV) As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,

1 Timothy 1:10 (KJV) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

1 Timothy 4:6 (KJV) If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

1 Timothy 4:13 (KJV) Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

1 Timothy 4:16 (KJV) Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

1 Timothy 5:17 (KJV) Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

1 Timothy 6:1 (KJV) Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

1 Timothy 6:3 (KJV) If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

2 Timothy 3:10 (KJV) But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 4:2 (KJV) Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

2 Timothy 4:3 (KJV) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Titus 1:9 (KJV) Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

Titus 2:1 (KJV) But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

Titus 2:7 (KJV) In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,

Titus 2:10 (KJV) Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.

Hebrews 6:1 (KJV) Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Hebrews 6:2 (KJV) Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

2 John 9 (KJV) Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

2 John 10 (KJV) If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

Revelation 2:14 (KJV) But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

Revelation 2:15 (KJV) So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

Revelation 2:24 (KJV) But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
 
What is the order?.

Is it the regular person, then decon, then priest, then bishop, then pope?.I just know of those names but not sure what role they all play in church,well only that the pope is the Leader. Wat is the pope? Is he high priest or is he high bishop?. I dont know how it all works.
 
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