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I am not scared. Why are you seeking to be in it, when the bible tells us we won't be here?
Because unless I die first Christ said that I would be,because His return is not until after the tribulation,and Paul als said that we will not gather back to Christ until after satan is revealed.
Matthew 24:3 "And as He sat upon the mount of Olives the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when shall these things be and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"
This was a question,which is the subject for the chapter,show me where in this chapter is there a rapture
Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not have her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"
Matthew 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
Again this is after the Trib,Christ does not return before this happens
II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"
Whats the subject here?Is it not our gathering back to Christ?Ok,so lets see when this happens
II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come [it will not be], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"
Again I ask,where irs the rapture?
Many rapturist say that the one taken and the one left is speaking of the rapture,although this is not true,because the one taken is taken by antichrist,but just to make a point,lets say that this is true,so the next question would be,when will this happen?
Matthew 24:40 "Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left."
The subject has not changed,and this is still after the tribulation..
Why do you think we need to have on the whole armour of God?Its not to fly away its to take a stand
Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil."
The "wiles of the devil" refers to the lies, tricks, and deceitfulness he will use to bring down Christians. The "whole armour" is all the protection necessary to stand against those lies and deception. Your entire body has to be protected against Satan, or he will out wit you, and you will not stand.
The point is, that you put on the "whole armour", all of it, to stand against Satan, the Antichrist.
Ephesians 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh ad blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Daniel 8:23 will give us a view of what this ruler of darkness is like. "And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up."
This king in the "latter time" is Satan, the Antichrist; he is the "king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences". In the Hebrew text it means that Satan is "skilled in dissimulation" of the truth of God's word. Satan knows all of God's word, and as such, he is the father of lies and deception. He will twist and turn the truth a little here and a little there, to make it an outright lie. Satan is the Antichrist on earth, and we must never forget it.
Daniel 8:24 "And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power; and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy People."
He will take away so much of Christianity, and cause so much deception through false doctrines [such as the rapture doctrine] that all those without their full [whole] armor on, will be deceived. He comes "in" [to this earth] with the promise of peace and prosperity; with false hopes and a promise to fulfill your every wish, if you will but follow him.
Daniel 8:25 "And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand."
Satan's "policy" is the way he fights, which is his method of operation. The "craft to prosper in his hand", refers to his ability that God will give him to do many miracles and wonders. Revelation 13 tells us how he will use this deceit to trick the whole world, except for God's elect, those with the seal of God {knowledge} in their minds.
"He shall magnify himself in his heart", is covered in II Thessalonians 2:4; "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing [calling] himself that he is God." This is the "Abomination of desolation [by the desolator]" spoken of in Daniel 9:27, and by Jesus in Matthew 24:15.
"By peace" is Satan's secret weapon, for peace is the most powerful weapon used against God's people in this final generation. It is dismantling the mind of the Christian church and disarming our nation today. In the end Satan will be "broken without hand", because it will be by the tow edged sword which comes from the mouth of Jesus Christ. The same sword that spoke and worlds were formed, and the stars were put in their places. However, we must not underestimate Satan's power to deceive, and his miracles, and cries for peace, peace, peace.
You see only His coming on the white horse. I see a coming where we meet Him in the clouds and in the air, about 7 years before the coming on the white horse.This revelation was given only to Paul. We will find nothing about it in the gospels, or anywhere else in the bible.
Paul said that this is our gathering back to Christ,and as stated above,this will not happen until after satan is revealed.
Christ only returns once more not twice,as rapturist believe,and when He returns it will be no secret
This has nothing to do with the question. Is it called "Jacob's trouble" or is it called "Gentile's trouble?" It is "Daniel's" 70th week, or is it "Paul's" 70th week? (Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles.) One of the main purposes of the 70th week of Daniel is to bring the remnant of Israel to their knees - to the place where they know the ONLY way they will live is with devine intervention.
Why do you all insist on seperating the Jews like they are some special people,when they are not,heck they don't even believe that Christ was God's Son,until you understand true Irsael you won't get it,and it has nothing to do with the Jews,for God said He was not a respecter of persons
Acts 10:34 "Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, "Of a truth I perceive that God is no respector of persons:"
If you understand this chapter,you should see the point,if not you will keep on thinking that Jews are special
Daniel's 70th week has nothing to do with some so called remnant
Daniel 12:7" And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished."
A supernatural, divine being is responding to Daniel's question as to the period of time God will allow Satan to deceive the world. The angel of God gave the time of three and one-half years to allow the Antichrist to scatter the church on earth.
Why will they be scatters? Because they are not mentally prepared. Most are Biblically illiterate and they have no desire to even try to understand. Figuratively speaking, they're like adults still sucking the bottle, and being diapered. Totally unnourished and untrained in the true meaning of God's word. God will allow this time to separate his elect from those just playing the game of church.
Also Christ said that those days would be shorted,do you know how long they have been shortened to?
Matthew 24:22 "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."
He, the beast, and the false prophet, will be behind all the killing, but Satan will be behind them.
Do you understand the two beasts?
That is your fairyland view of Revelation. I won't be here, and neither will any of God's kids that are looking for His coming.What are you looking for?
So if you won't be here why do you even need to read the book?
His followers
May I suggest that you study Revelation until you understand John's chronology, without having to "rearrange" it? Most of John's book is about Daniel's (Jacob's) 70th week. Sorry, but this is not about the Gentile church. Therefore, John was not shown much about the Gentile church, since that was not God's subject matter. However, almost as a passing thought, God did show John the church, before the 70th week even starts.
Until you stop seperating the Jews from the Gentiles you won't get it
You should be able to show the midpoint of the 70th week, the beginning of the week, and the end of the week, all "clearly marked" in John's book. Until you have this down, how could you possibly be able to show others whether or not the rapture is before, during or after the 70th week?
Daniel 12:11 "And from the time that the daily sacrifices shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, There shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."
The three and one-half years in days are God's time of testing. This would total seven (7) years to complete Daniel's 70 weeks of years. We know this to be shortened.
Daniel 12:12 "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."
"He that waiteth" are those persons that understand that our Lord Jesus Christ will not come prior to His appointed time, and His entire Word points to the fact that the Antichrist will have his time of deception first. For the fifth trumpet sounds the coming of the Antichrist, Satan, and all the fallen angels; and God Himself has given to Satan the authority to use his deception to deceive the entire world. Don't be taken out of season, and learn to wait, with patience, observing the signs of our times. Putting you hope in the demonic doctrine, such as the "rapture theory", will cause you to be taken by the wrong Christ.
Finally, from one of my hermeneutics professors: "since God is a self revealing God, and has revealed Himself more and more over time, it is wise to first establish doctrine, on the lastest and most complete scripture on a subject, then fill in missing pieces on lessor scriptures." What did he mean? For end times doctrine, don't start with obscure Old Testament verses: start first with the book of Revelation, which is our most complete treatise of end time scriptures, and the latest revelation.
I don't consider Old testament scripture to be obscure,for Christ quoted the old testament many times.
And if you don't understand the beginning,you won't understand the end
