Jethro,
If someone stopped believing or did not continue in His kindness, who is to blame?
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If someone stopped believing or did not continue in His kindness, who is to blame?
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8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,...
JLB
We still are sinners. In the eyes of God we are sanctified. In the eyes of men we are still sinners. Condition(still sinners) and position(totally righteous in Christ)
Your verses point this out very well. In their condition the corinthians were at that moment doing wrong and cheating and not only that they were doing it to other brothers! They were still doing it while Paul was there. They were in the act of doing such things and Paul says, "And such were some of you..."
In their condition(sinners) they were at that moment doing ALL of those things, but in their new creation and position it is impossible for them to do such things and be called such things. But in our condition we are all totally capable of doing all of those things.
Living in our position in Christ helps our condition.
Constantly trying to fix our condition blinds us from our position.
they weren't all 'willful' sinners.
some were sinning unrepentantly,
some would repentant,
and some were not sinning.
some were just sinning (and/or "it is no longer I that sin, but sin that dwells within me" For an altogether different thread in a few months if anyone's ready).
all the differences are discussed in Scripture clear, precise and concise. (not always seen in english language; not enough time for that here and now)
there's a difference between being a sinner and being righteous. Yhwh Decides.
some were righteous, as Yhwh's Word, Scripture says. simply.
some were sinning unrepentantly,
some would repentant,
and some were not sinning.
some were just sinning (and/or "it is no longer I that sin, but sin that dwells within me" For an altogether different thread in a few months if anyone's ready).
all the differences are discussed in Scripture clear, precise and concise. (not always seen in english language; not enough time for that here and now)
there's a difference between being a sinner and being righteous. Yhwh Decides.
some were righteous, as Yhwh's Word, Scripture says. simply.
Could you share the scriptures that teach us this?
If God declares us as sanctified or justified or righteous, then that is what we are.
What would it matter what man may think?
Or to put it another way: a lie from man can not change the truth from God.
JLB
Do you believe a born again believer can practice the following sins and expect to inherit the kingdom of God?
fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
JLB
yes.....they won't be expecting it though. That believer will be so far from seeing the truth or wanting to see the truth. A lot of it comes from self righteous believers that drive them farther away from the truth.
Believers usually are the first ones to condemn and Judge that born again believer. And don't have the bible doctrine in their souls to really help that born again believer out of their mess.
For the most part we just sit back and say," better clean up your act or your going to hell!" because we don't have the bible doctrine to truly help them out.
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Because God Has made us a new creature in Christ. Man cannot see that aspect of a born again believer. All we can see is the believer in his condition.
In our position we cannot sin and are totally righteous. But in our condition(the one man sees) we can do all of the "bad" things.
It is our condition that does those things, never our position.
In our position we can never practice those things. In our condition we ALL can and do.....if we are really honest with ourselves, remember even our thoughts count as doing it.
15For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 16But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. 17So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. 18For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. 19For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. 20But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
Pauls Condition does it, not his position in Christ. Paul was 28 years in the Lord at this time.
So you mean that Paul slept with a woman in his condition?
? No Idea what you mean?
You said by condition Paul has sinned against God. Tell me what Sin did Paul commit?
I said in His condition Paul sinned, and I get that from Pauls very words.
17So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. 18For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. 19For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. 20But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
Sorry, but I do not see Paul naming a specific sin.
BigSodaExposer
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Just thought about this - Revelation 2:11 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."
1 John 5:4-5 "4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?"
aka "saved" by Jesus Christ, anointed with the holy spirit. These two verses suggest you will not suffer the second death if you have been saved. But this doesn't allude where then you will go. Maybe a much nicer obliteration than the lake of fire awaiting unrepentant godless sinners?
1 John 5:4-5 "4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?"
aka "saved" by Jesus Christ, anointed with the holy spirit. These two verses suggest you will not suffer the second death if you have been saved. But this doesn't allude where then you will go. Maybe a much nicer obliteration than the lake of fire awaiting unrepentant godless sinners?
Read Romans 8 and you still mean that he was sinning with his condition? How craftily you select your scriptures to support your argument!
yep Romans 8 Paul talks about His Position in Christ......free from the bondage of sin and of the law. And How we are to operate in our position in Christ. You,I and Paul never sin in our position. We only sin in our condition.
I guess I am Not really following you. You think Paul was Sinless? And if not You think it was his new creation in Christ that was doing the sinning?
I think Paul was walking in the Spirit and not in flesh both in his position and in his condition. Elijah was man of God with passions but can you show me anywhere in the bible that Elijah sinned against God. If you read Romans 6. Paul clearly states that he is dead to sin and alive to Christ.
Paul was already a devout jew and he was very passionate in his religion and after knowing Christ face to face, don't you think his passion and zeal for the lord was at great heights?
Gregg
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And he goes on to say, "But thanks be to God that you were slaves of sin, but you obeyed from the heart the form of doctrine to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you were enslaved to righteousness (Rom 6:17-18).
Christians do not have a righteousness of our own, but Christ's righteousness is accounted to us (2Cor 5:21, Rom 3:21-22, Rom 5:17, Rom 5:19, Php 3:9).