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The reason you cant lose your salvation is?.....

Gregg said:
And he goes on to say, "But thanks be to God that you were slaves of sin, but you obeyed from the heart the form of doctrine to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you were enslaved to righteousness (Rom 6:17-18).

Christians do not have a righteousness of our own, but Christ's righteousness is accounted to us (2Cor 5:21, Rom 3:21-22, Rom 5:17, Rom 5:19, Php 3:9).
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They obeyed past tense. Paul is reminding them how they were set free from sin, and to not be entangled again.

Here us a clear command to the Roman Christians - 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.

And verse 1 -1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

Read these words from Paul -

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit... Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.


JLB
 
JLB said:
Read closely -

8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,...


JLB
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Your quote from 1Cor 6:8-9 says "αδικοι" will not inherit . . .", but Christians are "dikaios."
Christians are no longer unrighteous. We are clothed with the righteousness of Christ.
 
gr8grace3 said:
We still are sinners. In the eyes of God we are sanctified. In the eyes of men we are still sinners. Condition(still sinners) and position(totally righteous in Christ)

Your verses point this out very well. In their condition the corinthians were at that moment doing wrong and cheating and not only that they were doing it to other brothers! They were still doing it while Paul was there. They were in the act of doing such things and Paul says, "And such were some of you..."

In their condition(sinners) they were at that moment doing ALL of those things, but in their new creation and position it is impossible for them to do such things and be called such things. But in our condition we are all totally capable of doing all of those things.

Living in our position in Christ helps our condition.

Constantly trying to fix our condition blinds us from our position.
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Well put gr8grace3.
 
Gregg said:
Your quote from 1Cor 6:8-9 says "αδικοι" will not inherit . . .", but Christians are "dikaios."
Christians are no longer unrighteous. We are clothed with the righteousness of Christ.
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Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7

He who practices righteousness is righteous.

He who practices unrighteousness is unrighteous.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-20


JLB
 
JLB said:
They obeyed past tense. Paul is reminding them how they were set free from sin, and to not be entangled again.

Here us a clear command to the Roman Christians - 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.

And verse 1 -1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

Read these words from Paul -

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit... Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.


JLB
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There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. We have been circumcised from our own body of flesh and placed into Christ's body [crucified and resurrected]. Yet still, we physically reside in our perishing and corruptible bodies of flesh. But our citizenship is in heaven where Christ is seated, and we have been placed in His body - in the Living One. A Christian is in the Living One, and he lives because of Christ - not according to our choice to remain in Him; not according to ability or will - but by the will of God and according to His power.
 
to JLB or Jethro_Bodine
Please answer with a simple yes or no - When you share the Gospel with someone who is not a Christian:

1) do you tell them that it is possible to lose salvation?

2) do you inform them that they must continue believing to keep their salvation?
 
Gregg said:
Please answer with a simple yes or no - When you share the Gospel with someone who is not a Christian:

1) do you tell them that it is possible to lose salvation?

2) do you inform them that they must continue believing to keep their salvation?
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I wouldn't tell a baby Christian or a new Christian about the verses I am sharing here.

I would only encourage them in their salvation and assure them of God's Grace and everlasting love for them.

As I have said before concerning this matter: there are scriptures in the bible for us to encourage each other when we need it.

There are also clear and straight forward admonitions to turn away from sin as well.

Wisdom is knowing when to apply what you know and with whom..


JLB
 
Gregg said:
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. We have been circumcised from our own body of flesh and placed into Christ's body [crucified and resurrected]. Yet still, we physically reside in our perishing and corruptible bodies of flesh. But our citizenship is in heaven where Christ is seated, and we have been placed in His body - in the Living One. A Christian is in the Living One, and he lives because of Christ - not according to our choice to remain in Him; not according to ability or will - but by the will of God and according to His power.
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WOW! You have a great bible. I like yours better than mine.

Mine says it a little different -

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1


JLB [not Jethro Bodine] :biggrin
 
Gregg said:
to JLB or Jethro_Bodine
Please answer with a simple yes or no - When you share the Gospel with someone who is not a Christian:

1) do you tell them that it is possible to lose salvation?
2) do you inform them that they must continue believing to keep their salvation?
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JLB said:
I wouldn't tell a baby Christian or a new Christian about the verses I am sharing here.

I would only encourage them in their salvation and assure them of God's Grace and everlasting love for them.
As I have said before concerning this matter: there are scriptures in the bible for us to encourage each other when we need it.
There are also clear and straight forward admonitions to turn away from sin as well.
Wisdom is knowing when to apply what you know and with whom..
JLB
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You did not answer my question.

I asked 'When you share the Gospel with someone who is not a Christian:' but you answer by talking about 'a baby Christian.'

Please answer yes or no to my post #506.
 
Gregg said:
You did not answer my question.

I asked 'When you share the Gospel with someone who is not a Christian:' but you answer by talking about 'a baby Christian.'

Please answer yes or no to my post #506.
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You said sharing the Gospel.

So I mentioned "new" Christian.

The answer is still the same - I wouldn't. Like my post says I wouldn't. Which means no I wouldn't for the reason I gave.

As I have said before concerning this matter: there are scriptures in the bible for us to encourage each other when we need it.

There are also clear and straight forward admonitions to turn away from sin as well.

Wisdom is knowing when to apply what you know and with whom..


JLB
 
JLB said:
You said sharing the Gospel.

So I mentioned "new" Christian.

The answer is still the same - I wouldn't. Like my post says I wouldn't. Which means no I wouldn't for the reason I gave.

As I have said before concerning this matter: there are scriptures in the bible for us to encourage each other when we need it.

There are also clear and straight forward admonitions to turn away from sin as well.

Wisdom is knowing when to apply what you know and with whom..

JLB
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You are saying that when you share the Gospel with someone who is not a Christian:

1) you do not tell them that it is possible to lose salvation . . . and,

2) you do not inform them that they must continue believing to keep their salvation.

But, after someone becomes a Christian then you add to [or modify] the Gospel by which they were saved - by insisting that they need to keep believing and that 'Oh yes young Christian, did I forget to mention it is possible to lose your salvation;' and 'Just one more thing I also failed to mention, but your eternal life really does depend partially on you, not fully upon God as you first believed.'

Perhaps they wouldn't have had faith in the Lord if they thought their salvation also depended upon themselves or their future actions.

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The truth is that the Gospel does not include or insinuate such false doctrine as being able to jump out of God's hand, or to stop believing after you are saved, or that salvation is a joint effort between God and man.

The truth is that God saves us; He sustains our salvation; He will finish our salvation.
 
Gregg said:
You are saying that when you share the Gospel with someone who is not a Christian:

1) you do not tell them that it is possible to lose salvation . . . and,

2) you do not inform them that they must continue believing to keep their salvation.

But, after someone becomes a Christian then you add to [or modify] the Gospel by which they were saved - by insisting that they need to keep believing and that 'Oh yes young Christian, did I forget to mention it is possible to lose your salvation;' and 'Just one more thing I also failed to mention, but your eternal life really does depend partially on you, not fully upon God as you first believed.'

Perhaps they wouldn't have had faith in the Lord if they thought their salvation also depended upon themselves or their future actions.

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The truth is that the Gospel does not include or insinuate such false doctrine as being able to jump out of God's hand, or to stop believing after you are saved, or that salvation is a joint effort between God and man.

The truth is that God saves us; He sustains our salvation; He will finish our salvation.
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No.

I let them discover the truths and treasures of God's word in the bible for themselves as they grow in the fear and admonition of the Lord.

I will answer anyone who asks me specifically about these things, however I don't offer it unless they ask.


The truth is that the Gospel does not include or insinuate such false doctrine as being able to jump out of God's hand, or to stop believing after you are saved, or that salvation is a joint effort between God and man.
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The Truth is found written in God's Word, not mans opinion.

12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. James 1:12-15


The truth is that God saves us; He sustains our salvation; He will finish our salvation.
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I believe this with all of my heart.

as well as this -

22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. James 1:22-24

and this

This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.
If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth...



JLB





 
JLB said:
I wouldn't tell a baby Christian or a new Christian about the verses I am sharing here.

I would only encourage them in their salvation and assure them of God's Grace and everlasting love for them.

As I have said before concerning this matter: there are scriptures in the bible for us to encourage each other when we need it.

There are also clear and straight forward admonitions to turn away from sin as well.

Wisdom is knowing when to apply what you know and with whom..


JLB
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Just curious on how you reconcile this in your witness for Christ.

JLB~~I would only encourage them in their salvation and assure them of God's Grace and everlasting love for them.

How can you assure them of Gods Grace? Why would you tell them that If you don't believe it?

How can you tell them Everlasting Love for them, when you believe it may not be everlasting?

What scriptures do you use to assure them of Gods Grace?.........but it really isn't for sure. Honestly I do not get it.
 
JLB said:
I wouldn't tell a baby Christian or a new Christian about the verses I am sharing here.

I would only encourage them in their salvation and assure them of God's Grace and everlasting love for them.

As I have said before concerning this matter: there are scriptures in the bible for us to encourage each other when we need it.

There are also clear and straight forward admonitions to turn away from sin as well.

Wisdom is knowing when to apply what you know and with whom..


JLB
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There are new and baby Christians on this forum.
 
JLB said:
WOW! You have a great bible. I like yours better than mine.

Mine says it a little different -

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1


JLB [not Jethro Bodine] :biggrin
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If one did a quick study and wanted to know. The KJV added ,"who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit."

Romans 8:1~~There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.

*26th ed. Nestles, Allen Text, American Bible Society; New York
**Gramcord Institute, 2218 NE Brookview Dr,; Vancouver WA 98686
*Greek ConC/Wrd==**Parsing ============ ==== Trans. of ROM 8: 1 T/ord
oudeis 3762 neu adj nom s ------- nothing 1
ara 0686 ---- ---- --- -- conj--- therefore 2
vuv 3568 ---- adv --- -- ------- now 3
katakrima 2631 neu ---- nom s noun--- condemnation 4
o 3588 mas artl dat p ------- the 5
ev 1722 ---- ---- dat -- prep--- in 6
cristos 5547 mas ---- dat s noun--- Christ 7
insous 2424 mas ---- dat s noun--- Jesus 8
 
gr8grace3 said:
Just curious on how you reconcile this in your witness for Christ.

JLB~~I would only encourage them in their salvation and assure them of God's Grace and everlasting love for them.

How can you assure them of Gods Grace? Why would you tell them that If you don't believe it?

How can you tell them Everlasting Love for them, when you believe it may not be everlasting?

What scriptures do you use to assure them of Gods Grace?.........but it really isn't for sure. Honestly I do not get it.
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Be careful!

Please don't tell me "I don't believe it".

I believe in God's everlasting love.

I'm sorry you don't get it.

Please show me in the scripture where an Apostle or an Evangelist preached the Gospel and assured everyone that they could never lose there salvation no matter what they did.

Let's start there and discuss.


Thanks. JLB
 
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