You said- I know, uhm I have. if there is ac then what was the covenant that he made that he died for ? I am not sure what you mean...please expound. Why are you talking about Jews? I never said anything about Jews. I would tell your unsaved Jewish family that they need to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
the removal the church isnt supportable
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ok then why is their a need of a trib at all then if its not called Jacob's trouble? the whole point of the idea of the trib is that god turns from the church to isreal. why would he allow an impostor to deceive men so that the jews in a time of need him when the ac comes against them?
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hint. jewry and our chialism is the exact same, nearly word for word. the jews call the messianic era and also believe satan to be bound per the sages.either they got it from us and wont admit that part on satan or that we took from them ere Christ came in some midrash statement. which I cant find.
its says when ye see the ac to flee to the mountains, whom and why would the shabat matter to gentiles?
see Daniel 9 where that comes from
ad 70 fits that real well. even the man rashi agrees.
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hint. jewry and our chialism is the exact same, nearly word for word. the jews call the messianic era and also believe satan to be bound per the sages.either they got it from us and wont admit that part on satan or that we took from them ere Christ came in some midrash statement. which I cant find.
its says when ye see the ac to flee to the mountains, whom and why would the shabat matter to gentiles?
see Daniel 9 where that comes from
ad 70 fits that real well. even the man rashi agrees.
I have no idea whatsoever you are talking about,but Paul said at the 7th trump which is the last,we shall ALL be changed............That change is from flesh to spirit,period!!!!!!!!!!
all? what is all when he comes and theres a need for that dead mil saint to be raised up. funny thing is that after the millennium theres no mention of any saints in the judgement.
what does the first resurrection mean? if theres a first whom was in and why is it said before the millennium?
what does the first resurrection mean? if theres a first whom was in and why is it said before the millennium?
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Well let me jump in here if I may... Rapture or no Rapture.. first off let see what Jesus says about his second coming...
Next question for you post believers is, if all Christians are taken at the second coming then who repopulates the world in the 1000 yr reign of Christ? Who are the sheep and the goats if all the sheep have been taken... and why do you believe the last trumpet of revelation which is blown for judgment upon an unbelieving world, This trumpet is blown by an angel. Why do you believe it is the same trumpet as "the trumpet of God".. What about the trumpets of the Jewish festivals. There a trumpet is blown for Christ to gather His bride for the wedding feast.. I will stop here for now..
This will be a terrible day for the unbeliever no doubt. The main question here, to go along with this thread is the gathering of His elect... The elect is the believers in Christ. Next question is where are these believers being gathered from? Simple "Heaven". the word Heaven in the Greek "3772" is "ouranos" which means "sky", "The abode of God." or should I say, not earth. In Strong's concordance "earth is never used as "ouranos" but only Heaven is..
Next question for you post believers is, if all Christians are taken at the second coming then who repopulates the world in the 1000 yr reign of Christ? Who are the sheep and the goats if all the sheep have been taken... and why do you believe the last trumpet of revelation which is blown for judgment upon an unbelieving world, This trumpet is blown by an angel. Why do you believe it is the same trumpet as "the trumpet of God".. What about the trumpets of the Jewish festivals. There a trumpet is blown for Christ to gather His bride for the wedding feast.. I will stop here for now..
freeway
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Jason as far as making money... Name a religion group that does not need money? to get their message out.. any??
Is America important to God? I though everyone was? After all wasn't America founded on Christian beliefs?
As for your conversion from pre to mid to post to none.. I've read all the debates you where engaged in with others on this board and frankly I don't see how their arguments stand up... But thats just me.. as my footnote says....
freeway
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. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven. Mark 13:27
Key phrase: after the Tribulation. Couldn't be more clear.
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actually its on the idea of a separated neutral government with the idea of allowing the debate of Christ verse all faiths and the truth stand. the government secured the peace while the church should lead souls to Christ.
im talking about hal Lindsey, van impe. they make prophecy and when it fails then what? did the apostles sell books or did they go to teach? I know it costs that fines but what they do is downright usery. I hear it here and in my church then when America fails to be the light the rapture may or will happen.Do you remember 88 reasons why Christ will return in 88? I do and whom wrote it and who is still selling books?
ok then what happens to the sinners that enter the millennium? whom gave birth to them?
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exactly, if we are all changed at the end of the trib, then who are the ones entering into the mill. So the rapture can not be at the end of the tribulation. Who are the sheep and goats. and who is Jesus talking to? about helping out His elect?
uhm that is also a problem for you. those trib saints will be of what covenant? the mosaic one or the one of the cross?and how will these know of the trib if they aren't in the word?i know many in my church that cant handle a debate with a jw.i can but I would use wisdom with that. I believe in the idea of the basic soldiering skills for the Christian. ie know the bible truths and at least hit up the idea of born again, sin and also hell and heaven and the trinity.
uhm.let me ask you this.would you tell or talk to a jewish convert to Christ that is new in Christ about the law and and ask them to do shabat and be kosher?im there and I will no longer talk to my dad about the temple and the sages and the tanach.i have done jewish rites for my family. I have plans to do all the feasts that I can do.my aunt also a jew is in church learning from the gentiles. I will not send her a card on yom kippur nor rosh hoshanna. that may cause her to back slide.currently I can name at least five jews that are saved.
myself, my brother, my great uncle, my niece,a jewish friend in church. so God isn't saving jews now?
myself, my brother, my great uncle, my niece,a jewish friend in church. so God isn't saving jews now?
Most entering the millennium will be the nations. Most believers during the tribulation will be killed and be in heaven. Even that time of Jacob's trouble will be shortened so that all flesh would not be lost. Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. This is a physical salvation from death, and that includes Israel and the nations.
Isaiah 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. These children are being born right along.
Those of Gog and Magog that come to compass the camp of the saints certainly haven't changed their stripes and will be turned into crispy critters. Revelation 20:9.
My thoughts.
ok then you must deal with the idea of the law being in effect then and that jesus statement on men not worshipping men on this mountain or that.you also fail to get the idea of the wheats and tares. if the tares are taken the wheats must also be gathered. theres no room for sinners.'
why does peter also then mention a new heaven and new earth wherein the promise of righteousness?
in context with that
that implies that those in this wont remember the old days. any survivor of the trib would.
why does peter also then mention a new heaven and new earth wherein the promise of righteousness?
in context with that
that implies that those in this wont remember the old days. any survivor of the trib would.
1 Corinthians 15:26 "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death", and then will the following come to pass.
1 Corinthians 15:52-55 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
Death is not swallowed up at the end of the tribulation, but at the end of the millennium.
1 Corinthians 15:52-55 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
Death is not swallowed up at the end of the tribulation, but at the end of the millennium.
Maybe so, but the last day is the last day, to me associated with the last trump. O death, where is thy sting? I guarantee there is sting left when you observe funerals today, and there is death prevalent during the millennium; the death of a child at an hundred years of age, and yet the last enemy destroyed is death, and that is the time those remaining in the grave will be resurrected, mortality will put on immorality; many are already in heaven at that time.
That to me begs the answer: if there is a last trump, will there be previous trumps. In other words are all seen in heaven at the same time by John?