the removal the church isnt supportable

[Hammer]

if you cant believe that a jew or isrealite or hebrew cant believe and be in the church why then even bother with isreal of today and men and women like me?

Dual Covenant Christians don't believe in Jesus for the Jews. But, they still bother with "Israel of today" as a form of idolatry.

the levites cant be doing that temple service at all since the blood and priesthood of christ is superior to them. futurist often teach that but forget that is the fact when it comes to law they ignore that.

It's completely outside the realm of Christianity for anyone to believe that the Temple of God and the Levite Priesthood can be restored, when something greater has come along and made the old obsolete.

Also, a priest must be a Levite brought into the priesthood by another priest. There's no one alive today that meets genealogical proof of being a Levite. And, there's no priests to bring new priests into the priesthood.

The old priesthood is both obsolete and unattainable.

 

[n2thelight]

i have. the levites were the priests. are they in revaletatio? yes and they do what? believe? james wrote to the lost ten tribes. if you cant believe that a jew or isrealite or hebrew cant believe and be in the church why then even bother with isreal of today and men and women like me? do i loose my jewishness in christ? NO i gain it.

the levites cant be doing that temple service at all since the blood and priesthood of christ is superior to them. futurist often teach that but forget that is the fact when it comes to law they ignore that.

Never ever did I say a Jew can't be part of the Church,it's only one choice for all,believe or not.....There's no such thing as seperation of the Church Israel or the Jew's.......You are either in Christ or you not,period............

I have not the slightest idea what you mean by the temple service................

 

[Hammer]

Never ever did I say a Jew can't be part of the Church,it's only one choice for all,believe or not.....There's no such thing as seperation of the Church Israel or the Jew's.......

You said there are "true Jews" in Israel? Christians are the only true Jews.

You said the Jews and Christians are two different sticks that are not together. How's not separation?

 

[jasoncran]

Never ever did I say a Jew can't be part of the Church,it's only one choice for all,believe or not.....There's no such thing as seperation of the Church Israel or the Jew's.......You are either in Christ or you not,period............

I have not the slightest idea what you mean by the temple service................

you guys are trip, then why the trib? why remove the church so that isreal which is the "church" to be saved? why then teach to jews that they will be part of isreal again and the nation will be back again with the messiah again in their temple where they can touch him? you know that is directly from orthodox judaism. i have read their ideas and views. nearly word for word of what the modern futurist teaches. yet the sages often didnt see that.

 

[n2thelight]

Originally Posted by n2thelight
Never ever did I say a Jew can't be part of the Church,it's only one choice for all,believe or not.....There's no such thing as seperation of the Church Israel or the Jew's.......You are either in Christ or you not,period............

I have not the slightest idea what you mean by the temple service................

Jasoncran



you guys are trip, then why the trib? why remove the church so that isreal which is the "church" to be saved? why then teach to jews that they will be part of isreal again and the nation will be back again with the messiah again in their temple where they can touch him? you know that is directly from orthodox judaism. i have read their ideas and views. nearly word for word of what the modern futurist teaches. yet the sages often didnt see that.

The trib is a time for the deception of satan pretending to be Christ,that's what it's all about.....
Talk to me about what I say,without grouping me....The Church or no one else for that matter will be removed.....We gather back to Christ at the 7th trump,from there we go to Jerusalem,where Christ shall rule from.....The Jew does not have any special previlage.......Period....







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[n2thelight]

You said there are "true Jews" in Israel? Christians are the only true Jews.

You said the Jews and Christians are two different sticks that are not together. How's not separation?

I didn't say anything,I quoted scripture....If a Jew does not belong to CHRIST,he is lost just like anyone else

"And you, son of man, take for yourself one stick and write on it, 'For Judah and for the sons of Israel, his companions'; then take another stick and write on it, 'For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and all the house of Israel, his companions.' Then join them for yourself one to another into one stick, that they may become one in your hand." -- Ezekiel 37:16-17

All Jew's are of Israel but not all of Israel are Jew's

 

[jasoncran]

so then why then do you call the trib a time of Jacob's trouble? all saints in jerusalem? really every one that ever lived in entire present and past. kinda means that it would have bigger then what it is out those seven hills? that is why i cant see it literally.

the 144K , WELL IF theres no millenium what is the point of him returning to jersusalem for non-tribal jews? you cant have it that way. my position is that in the past of those tribes jews were saved . they are in heaven already.

 

[smaller]

so then why then do you call the trib a time of Jacob's trouble? all saints in jerusalem? really every one that ever lived in entire present and past. kinda means that it would have bigger then what it is out those seven hills? that is why i cant see it literally.

the 144K , WELL IF theres no millenium what is the point of him returning to jersusalem for non-tribal jews? you cant have it that way. my position is that in the past of those tribes jews were saved . they are in heaven already.

Good catch jason.

One has to simply read to see who is assuredly going to be in heaven. The names of such are shown to be written on the Pearl Gates.

Revelation 21:12
And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel

From there there is only one observation remaining to address in one's heart. Are there only 12 names or are the names of every member written thereon?

They did not keep meticulous recording of names of the children for no cause jason. It had been shown to their prophets that all of them are inscribed thereon.

s

 

[JLB]

so then why then do you call the trib a time of Jacob's trouble? all saints in jerusalem? really every one that ever lived in entire present and past. kinda means that it would have bigger then what it is out those seven hills? that is why i cant see it literally.

the 144K , WELL IF theres no millenium what is the point of him returning to jersusalem for non-tribal jews? you cant have it that way. my position is that in the past of those tribes jews were saved . they are in heaven already.

Jacob's trouble was the Holocaust.

"Jacob" being a Diaspora term referring to the Jews "not" in the covenant land, but scattered to the nations.


JLB

 

[jasoncran]

jacob's trouble wasnt the holocaust. in fact more jews died in stalin reign over russia then hitler's death camp. but well he got a pass and its not known how much exactly but estimation says he did more.

 

[smaller]

jacob's trouble wasnt the holocaust. in fact more jews died in stalin reign over russia then hitler's death camp. but well he got a pass and its not known how much exactly but estimation says he did more.

The killing of Jews is a very popular undertaking by the anti-Christ spirit in the hearts of the killers.

Why?

Because when THEY COME INTO THE FOLD of LIFE IN CHRIST it is the END of that working.

Therefore they are persecuted. Even in their present blindness, they are persecuted.

Romans 11:
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

s

 

[jasoncran]

you neednt remind me of what that is and why.

 

[smaller]

Physical killing isn't the only form of killing.

s

 

[reba]

Mat_10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[Eugene]

per matthew 24

in the flood, noah remained on the earth and the wicked were removed.

so it will be when he returns. we will be renewed and the earthed.

What year did this occur, and do you have scripture?

 

[jasoncran]

i didnt say it did. read matthew 24 again.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

but locally that could be used to support ad 70 the wicked jews who remained in isreal were judged and all of them were killed. no christians died in that war. none were killed. odd aint it? the jews were the only ones attacked.

 

[Eugene]

Jacob's trouble was the Holocaust.

"Jacob" being a Diaspora term referring to the Jews "not" in the covenant land, but scattered to the nations.JLB

Dear brother, you are talking apples and oranges here. Jacob's trouble will see Jesus sitting on His own throne, having taken that all power and authority as King of kings and Lord of lord, and cleaning house. That is to come.

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. And this will be a physical salvation from the events taking place.

 

[Hitch]

Dear brother, you are talking apples and oranges here. Jacob's trouble will see Jesus sitting on His own throne, having taken that all power and authority as King of kings and Lord of lord, and cleaning house. That is to come.

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. And this will be a physical salvation from the events taking place.

Nonsense

 

[Eugene]

Nonsense

Oh yeah, it would make a whole lot more sense to believe Josephus and his fable.
;)

 

[Hitch]

Oh yeah, it would make a whole lot more sense to believe Josephus and his fable.
;)

Its possible that the worst 'fable' held dear by the church today is the notion the Christ will be king.