Did you read posts 2 and 5 ? I thought I clarified. And what do you agree with in the OP ?Would you please clarify your point?
I do agree with your OP, but Jesus' atoning death freed us from more than just the guilt for past sins.
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Did you read posts 2 and 5 ? I thought I clarified. And what do you agree with in the OP ?Would you please clarify your point?
I do agree with your OP, but Jesus' atoning death freed us from more than just the guilt for past sins.
What I agreed with is that Christ died to free us from the punishment for our past sins.Did you read posts 2 and 5 ? I thought I clarified. And what do you agree with in the OP ?
You starting a rabbit trail, not interested. This thread is about the saving effects/results of Christs death. All for whom He died, His Sheep, by His death alone were sanctified. Since all are not sanctified, Christ could not have died for all without exception.What I agreed with is that Christ died to free us from the punishment for our past sins.
What you have failed to mention is that His death, and resurrection, also enabled us to live without sin.
Why is it you will not allow us to question your points. OP's are not ones priority, but to be discussed among the members. Questions need to be answered, especially with scripture or websites one is using so we know where each other are coming from in their understanding of scripture.My Op is my priority, then I will answer questions. Why would I want to digress from the points I make ? I spend time making them.
I'm not evading anything, but asking you questions about them. Why are you evading my questions, or can you not answer them.So you want to evade talking about the points I made, to talk about your questions instead. Please lets go over the points made in the OP
Then "them" would be the whole world according to John 3:16 that will believe in Him as He died for the whole world, not just a few He choices to be saved.Them that are sanctified are simply them He offered Himself for.
The whole world of the believing Sheep. Thats who Christ died for Jn 10. The whole world of the sanctified. Since His death alone sanctified them.Then "them" would be the whole world according to John 3:16 that will believe in Him as He died for the whole world, not just a few He choices to be saved.
Please show me the scripture that Jesus only died for His own. If they were already His own then there would have been no need for His death on the cross.The whole world of the believing Sheep. Thats who Christ died for Jn 10. The whole world of the sanctified. Since His death alone sanctified them.
Im showing you the saving effects of Christs death. How were the believers #1 Sanctified and #2 Perfected ?Please show me the scripture that Jesus only died for His own. If they were already His own then there would have been no need for His death on the cross.
No one is starting any rabbit trails as it is you evading any type of discussion with us. This ends now as forums are for opened discussions. This thread is in danger of possibly being closed.You starting a rabbit trail, not interested. This thread is about the saving effects/results of Christs death. All for whom He died, His Sheep, by His death alone were sanctified. Since all are not sanctified, Christ could not have died for all without exception.
We know what the saving effects of Christ death is as it was God's plan of salvation before the foundation of the world that all who will believe in Him will have eternal life.Im showing you the saving effects of Christs death. How were the believers #1 Sanctified and #2 Perfected ?
Exegesis of John 3:16Then "them" would be the whole world according to John 3:16 that will believe in Him as He died for the whole world, not just a few He choices to be saved.
I'm open for discussion about the points I made with scripture.No one is starting any rabbit trails as it is you evading any type of discussion with us. This ends now as forums are for opened discussions. This thread is in danger of possibly being closed.
How were they sanctified and perfected according to Heb 10:10,14We know what the saving effects of Christ death is as it was God's plan of salvation before the foundation of the world that all who will believe in Him will have eternal life.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Faith has always been, Christ has always been for Christ is our faith from the foundation of the world as God predestined the plan of salvation through Christ Jesus to all who will believe in Him may have eternal life. All who come to God in the OT and through Jesus in the NT until the end of time are all saved by God's grace through faith beginning with Noah who before the flood was the only one who found favor in the Lord. God loves all His creation, but not all in whom He created loves Him or will turn back to Him as they close their ears to Him calling them.Exegesis of John 3:16
God so loved the world”. Many suppose that this means, ‘The entire human race.’ But “the entire human race,” includes all mankind from Adam till the close of the earth’s history! Consider, the history of mankind before Christ was born. Unnumbered millions lived and died before the Savior came to the earth, Ephesians 2:12 “having no hope and without God in the world”, and therefore went to hell. If God “loved” them (or those today that have not heard the salvific gospel), where is the slightest proof? “Who (God) in times past (from the tower of Babel till after Pentecost) suffered all nations to walk in their own ways” (Acts 14:16). God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do things which are improper and repulsive (Romans 1:28). To Israel God said, “You only have I known of all the families of the earth” (Amos 3:2).(Aside: God speaks to KNOWING people, not plan or events). Thus, how can one insist that God in the past loved all mankind! Read the 20th chapter of the Revelation, the great white throne judgment, and see if you can discover there the slightest trace of love (agape LOVE is defined as "a volition to favor". These people spend 99.9999999999% of their lives (pre and post death) in hell .. how could this be an illustration of God's volition to favor (love). (To put it in the vernacular, with friends like that, who needs enemies .)
John 3:16 and says, “World means world”. True, but that “the world” does not mean the whole human family." The world” is used in a general way. When the brethren of Christ said, “Shew Thyself to the world” (John 7:4), did they mean “shew Thyself to all mankind” (ridiculous)? When the Pharisees said, “Behold, the world is gone after Him” (John 12:19), did they mean that “all the human family” were flocking after Him (ridiculous)? When the apostle wrote, “Your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world” (Romans 1:8), did he mean that the faith of the saints at Rome was the subject of conversation by every man, woman, and child on the earth (ridiculous)? These, and other passages (John 14:17; John 15:19; John 16:20; John 17:14; etc.) which might be quoted, show that the term “the world” often has a relative rather than an absolute force. (In the vernacular ... when you assume you may an "butt" of "u" and "me". ("Butt" substituted for first syllable).
John 3:16 was Christ’s announcement that God had a purpose of grace toward Gentiles as well as Jews. “God so loved the world”, then, signifies, God’s love is international in its scope (non-Jews also). But does this mean that God loves every individual among the Gentiles? Not necessarily, for as we have seen, the term “world” is general rather than specific, relative rather than absolute. The term “world” in itself is not conclusive. To figure out who are the objects of God’s love other passages where His love is mentioned must be consulted. In 2 Peter 2:5 we read of “the world of the ungodly”. If then, there is a world of the ungodly there must also be a world of the godly. It is the latter who are in view in the passages we shall now briefly consider. “For the bread of God is He which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world” (John 6:33). Now mark it well, Christ did not say, “offereth life unto the world”, but “giveth”. What is the difference between the two terms? This: a thing which is “offered” may be refused, but a thing “given”, necessarily implies its acceptance. If it is not accepted, it is not “given”, it is simply proffered. Here, then, is a scripture that positively states Christ giveth life (spiritual, eternal life) “unto the world.” Now He does not give eternal life to the “world of the ungodly” for they will not have it, they do not want it. Hence, we are obliged to understand the reference in John 6:33 as being to “the world of the godly”, i.e., God’s own people.
Romans 9:25 As indeed he says in Hosea, “Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people’, and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved’.” [An example of a group of people who were not loved becoming loved which contradicts the thought that God loves everyone]
World is a nonspecific term for humanity in a general sense. The statement in verse 17, “that the world might be saved through Him,” proves that it does not mean everyone who has ever lived, since all will not be saved. Verse 16 clearly cannot be teaching universal salvation, since the context promises that unbelievers will perish in eternal judgment (vv. 16–18). John MacArthur – New Testament Commentary
Yes, these are your points you made, but where is there any discussion if we can not ask you questions. This only makes this thread one sided being your side only.I'm open for discussion about the points I made with scripture.
I'm not going to answer this until you start answering our questions. This is not all about you ruling over a thread.How were they sanctified and perfected according to Heb 10:10,14
The is unresponsive to my exegesis of John 3:16. (not that you are obligated to respond IMO)Faith has always been, Christ has always been for Christ is our faith from the foundation of the world as God predestined the plan of salvation through Christ Jesus to all who will believe in Him may have eternal life. All who come to God in the OT and through Jesus in the NT until the end of time are all saved by God's grace through faith beginning with Noah who before the flood was the only one who found favor in the Lord. God loves all His creation, but not all in whom He created loves Him or will turn back to Him as they close their ears to Him calling them.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this [referring to salvation through faith] is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works (not founded upon anything in the believer himself), so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
You are splitting hairs.You starting a rabbit trail, not interested. This thread is about the saving effects/results of Christs death. All for whom He died, His Sheep, by His death alone were sanctified. Since all are not sanctified, Christ could not have died for all without exception.