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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

Since brightfame52 is not willing to answer our questions that pertain to the OP this thread will now be closed until the staff decides to reopen it again.
 
All,
This is not the Spirit I want on this board.
Please remember we are Brothers and Sisters in Christ and unity is first and foremost.
Please make a bigger effort in seeking unity and reconciliation. I will not allow division and strife to set in.

For clarity, this is a matter of how our differences are spoken.
 
Fastfredy0 said:
The is unresponsive to my exegesis of John 3:16. (not that you are obligated to respond IMO)

Further Evidence the word WORLD of John 3:16 does not refer to 'everyone without exception'
Before Christ's death:
Exhibit 1
Ephesians 2:11 Therefore, remember that at one time you Gentiles by birth, who are called “Uncircumcision” by those who called themselves “Circumcision,” [itself a mere mark] which is made in the flesh by human hands— 12 remember that at that time you were separated from Christ [excluded from any relationship with Him], alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise [with no share in the sacred Messianic promise and without knowledge of God’s agreements], having no hope [in His promise] and [living] in the world without God.
So, with extremely few exceptions (a few converts to Judaism) ... Gentiles were without hope and destined for hell. Thus, Christ did not did for them for the HAD NO HOPE as this would be a contradiction..

Exhibit 2:
It is absurd for Christ to die for all the unsaved that had died before Christ death for at the point of His death it was not possible to saved said group. Thus, the word WORLD in John 3:16 does not mean 'everyone without exception' as this would be a contradiction.

After Christ's death:
Premise 1: Christ died for everyone (assumed by many people's interpretation of John 3:16)
Premise 2: People are saved via the instrument of faith in the death and resurrection Christ (1 Cor. 15:3-4)
Premise 3: Many people have never heard the gospel and thus are condemned (Romans 1 ... without excuse, 1 Cor. 15:3-4 ... way of salvation)
Conclusion: It is a contradiction to say the word WORLD in John 3:16 means everyone without exception for the empirical evidence sited above proves otherwise for God offers those that have not heard the gospel no chance of salvation.

I am not sure why you are throwing out verses without explanation .... but I will address them though you did not.


Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this [referring to salvation through faith] is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works (not founded upon anything in the believer himself), so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

“And this is not your own doing.” The word “this” must have an antecedent, which would normally be the closest preceding noun. In this case, “this” would refer back to “faith.” Paul is not saying that grace is not our own doing. That would be redundant, because if it were our own doing, it would not be gracious at all. Rather, he says that faith is not our own doing. That does not mean that faith is not found in us; it is found in us. It does not mean that it is someone else’s faith by which we are justified. It is, properly speaking, our faith, for we are the ones who have it, the ones who are exercising it. But it is not our own doing, meaning that we are not the origin of it. It is not something that we have generated by our own power, nor does it originate in our flesh. R.C. Sproul Truths We Confess
Furthermore, if synergism is embraced, then there is the very real but subtle danger that men could boast that they made use of God's grace or had more wisdom than the man who rejected Christ. They could boast that they are different for, unlike others, they responded to Christ. The autonomous natural man would, then, ultimately determine His own salvation, not God. Since a work is a purpose achieved by physical or mental exertion. To believe is a difficult task; the Bible says it is foolishness to the unsaved and no one seeks God. Finally, the context of the verse (2:1-10) forbids the idea that man has any positive role in his own salvation. The verses include expressions like, "by grace you have been saved," "this not from yourselves," "it is the gift of God," "not by works," "so that no one can boast," "we are God's work," "created in Christ Jesus to do good works," "which God prepared in advance for us to do."
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First you need to give your source for that which you copy and paste from.

Not all have been Israel, but Israel stemmed from those who were first neither Jew nor Gentile. From the Generations found in Genesis 5:1-32 up until the time of Abraham's Grandson Jacob until the end of time it has always been by God's grace through faith as even now there is no more separation of Jew and Gentile. It was by the death of Christ that whosoever believes in Him by faith will be saved as long as they endure until the end when Christ returns and receives His own.

There were many Gentiles in the OT that were saved even before Jesus came to walk the earth and before the His death. We read one example in Jonah 3 how God sent him to preach to this Gentile nation of Nineveh and many repented as after hearing Jonah preach they believed in God.

Salvation has never exclusively belonged only to the Israelites. Read Hebrews 11 as many Gentiles are listed there that were saved by faith before that of Christ being born.

The verses I give are pretty much self explanatory as in what has already been written.
 
I have unlocked the thread as discussions will now continue, but questions being asked about the OP need to be answered so we can have a dialog with each other that brings glory to the Lord as we are ever learning.
 
Christs blood/Death converts them He died for, His Church or Sheep into a kingdom of priests Rev 1:5-6

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.18
 
See as a result of His Blood shed and consequently it washes those He died for from their sins, He makes, produces them into spiritual priests. The word made in Rev 1:6 is the word poieó and means:

to make, do
Usage: (a) I make, manufacture, construct, (b) I do, act, cause.

with the names of the things made, to produce, construct, form, fashion,

to create, to produce: of God, as the author of all things, τί or τινα, Matthew 19:4; Mark 10:6; Luke 11:40; Hebrews 1:2; Acts 4:24; Acts 7:50; Acts 17:24; Revelation 14:7

The death of Christ results in a new creation !
 
brightfame52 said:
See as a result of His Blood shed and consequently it washes those He died for from their sins, He makes, produces them into spiritual priests.

The death of Christ results in a new creation !
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We agree on this tenet.
Do we also agree that His sanctifying blood is applied to the repentant at their baptism into Christ and into His death? (Rom 6:3)
 
brightfame52 said:
See as a result of His Blood shed and consequently it washes those He died for from their sins, He makes, produces them into spiritual priests. The word made in Rev 1:6 is the word poieó and means:

to make, do
Usage: (a) I make, manufacture, construct, (b) I do, act, cause.

with the names of the things made, to produce, construct, form, fashion,

to create, to produce: of God, as the author of all things, τί or τινα, Matthew 19:4; Mark 10:6; Luke 11:40; Hebrews 1:2; Acts 4:24; Acts 7:50; Acts 17:24; Revelation 14:7

The death of Christ results in a new creation !
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Christ's death and resurrection, His atonement, the ransom paid and the propitiary death was for EVERYONE that ever lived
beginning with Adam and through until the end of this world.

Whoever is saved, beginning in the O.T. BEFORE Christ, and thru all time, is saved due to Christ paying the ransom needed to buy us back from
satan, which is why we say that sin has died.

1 John 2:2 tells us that Jesus died not only for "our sins" (the saved at that moment) but for the sins of the whole world.
2and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

We all know that "world" could have different meanings but in this case it means everyone in the world.

How do YOU understand 1 John 2:2?
What does it mean to you that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world?
 
brightfame52 said:
wondering

Impossible, since everyone who ever lived isnt converted into a new creation, made a kingdom of priest.
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your limiting the power of God if we are kept by the power of God then the power of God will save the whosoever .God does not desire any to perish but ALL come to repentance. i realize in being trained in reformed /Calvinism. you will redefine the word ALL . why would God send his only Son to the cross for just limited people? do you limit God power?
 
Redeemed from the curse of the Law !

Those Christ died for are consequently saved, redeemed from the curse of the Law. Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Now it tells us specifically how these believers were redeemed from the curse of the Law. Succinctly stated "being made a curse for us:" This refers to His death, its the same as when he wrote to the Church at Corinthians these words "For he hath made him to be sin for us"

So anyone for whom Christ died, has been redeemed from the curse of the Law.

So when Jesus shall say to these Matt 25:41

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Its absolutely impossible any of these on left hand, can be anyone Christ was made sin or a curse for ! 29
 
brightfame52 said:
According to the scripture I provided, How was this sanctification accomplished ?
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Looks like repentance, knowledge of the truth, and faith in Jesus. For it is salvation by the forgiveness of sins. In Christ there is no sin. Apart from Christ guilt remains for it is not for man to choose how to forgive sin.

Jesus outlines Paul's appointment
to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.'

Jesus purchased those who believed in Him for God by His blood. And He has made them to be a Kingdom to serve His God and Father.
 
1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


I'm a whosoever that has confessed my sins, have been Spiritually born again from above as I have confessed with my mouth and believe in my heart Christ Jesus is now my Lord and Savior. This was only done by God's grace through faith believing Jesus is the only begotten Son of God as this free gift is given to all who will believe and receive it. It's the blood sacrifice of Christ that has redeemed me and by Him I am made righteous once again by that of God's righteousness as I confess that I am a sinner that needs to walk in the light of Christ as He makes my path straight.

Died for all, but not all will receive Him. Choose you this day in whom you will serve.
 
jerry63935 said:
ting the poweryour limi of God if we are kept by the power of God then the power of God will save the whosoever .God does not desire any to perish but ALL come to repentance. i realize in being trained in reformed /Calvinism. you will redefine the word ALL . why would God send his only Son to the cross for just limited people? do you limit God power?
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Actually I am saying Christs death is effectual unto producing saving results, and you are against that, so its you limiting the power of God
 
Randy said:
Looks like repentance, knowledge of the truth, and faith in Jesus. For it is salvation by the forgiveness of sins. In Christ there is no sin. Apart from Christ guilt remains for it is not for man to choose how to forgive sin.

Jesus outlines Paul's appointment
to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.'

Jesus purchased those who believed in Him for God by His blood. And He has made them to be a Kingdom to serve His God and Father.
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All you had to say was by the death of Christ. You believe His offering Himself and His death are the same thing ?
 
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