The Sin Nature

[Charlie24]

Some will tell you there is no such thing as a "sin nature." They say it's not found in Scripture and is made up to fit the agenda of a certain doctrine or doctrines. They will also tell you that in Rom. 6:2 where Paul said, "How shall we, who are dead to sin, live any longer therein," means that we who are saved are now sinless and we can keep the Commandments of Christ literally.

This is a total and complete misunderstanding of the Scripture! So let me show you what "dead to sin" really means and how we know there is a "sin nature."

In the original Greek, there is what's called a "definite article." This definite article which is stated as "the" turns the following word into a singular form noun. Let's look of an example of this in Scripture, where the definite article appears.

Rom. 5:21
"That as sin (the sin) hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord."

In the original Greek, Paul uses the definite article "the" in this verse. So what does Paul mean by this term "the sin?"

He is referring to "The Original Sin" in the Garden of Eden when man fell from the state of perfection to the fallen state of the "sin nature."

The verse actually reads,

"That as sin (the sin nature) hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord."

Paul is telling us that as the "sin nature" has reigned in every unbelieving man from the fall, through Christ, righteousness will reign in the nature of the believer.

Now let's continue to follow Paul as he begins Rom. chapter 6, and further explains "the sin nature."

Rom. 6:1-2
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin (the sin nature), that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin (the sin nature), live any longer therein?

You can see here that Paul is not saying we are dead to sin, as in no longer sinning, but we are dead to the sin nature.

Then in Rom. 6:14, Paul points it out for us.

"For sin (the sin nature) shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace"

Paul is not saying we will stop sinning, but that the "sin nature" will not have dominion over us as it reigns over the unbelievers.

 

[Highway54]

Some will tell you there is no such thing as a "sin nature." They say it's not found in Scripture and is made up to fit the agenda of a certain doctrine or doctrines. They will also tell you that in Rom. 6:2 where Paul said, "How shall we, who are dead to sin, live any longer therein," means that we who are saved are now sinless and we can keep the Commandments of Christ literally.

This is a total and complete misunderstanding of the Scripture! So let me show you what "dead to sin" really means and how we know there is a "sin nature."

In the original Greek, there is what's called a "definite article." This definite article which is stated as "the" turns the following word into a singular form noun. Let's look of an example of this in Scripture, where the definite article appears.

Rom. 5:21
"That as sin (the sin) hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord."

In the original Greek, Paul uses the definite article "the" in this verse. So what does Paul mean by this term "the sin?"

He is referring to "The Original Sin" in the Garden of Eden when man fell from the state of perfection to the fallen state of the "sin nature."

The verse actually reads,

"That as sin (the sin nature) hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord."

Paul is telling us that as the "sin nature" has reigned in every unbelieving man from the fall, through Christ, righteousness will reign in the nature of the believer.

Now let's continue to follow Paul as he begins Rom. chapter 6, and further explains "the sin nature."

Rom. 6:1-2
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin (the sin nature), that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin (the sin nature), live any longer therein?

You can see here that Paul is not saying we are dead to sin, as in no longer sinning, but we are dead to the sin nature.

Then in Rom. 6:14, Paul points it out for us.

"For sin (the sin nature) shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace"

Paul is not saying we will stop sinning, but that the "sin nature" will not have dominion over us as it reigns over the unbelievers.

The truth is Charlie, you are quite correct, like Paul, we are plagued with our flesh, we are constantly bombarded by the desire for sin. Most of us keep it in check most of the time, but it is a plague for us with our imperfection.

What is interesting that most do not think about is, that as easy and desirable as sin is for us imperfect people, it would be the opposite for Adam and Eve to sin, as it would be against their nature being perfect.

 

[Charlie24]

The truth is Charlie, you are quite correct, like Paul, we are plagued with our flesh, we are constantly bombarded by the desire for sin. Most of us keep it in check most of the time, but it is a plague for us with our imperfection.

What is interesting that most do not think about is, that as easy and desirable as sin is for us imperfect people, it would be the opposite for Adam and Eve to sin, as it would be against their nature being perfect.

It's amazing how we can believe in many things together, but be so far apart.

 

[Robert Pate]

Some will tell you there is no such thing as a "sin nature." They say it's not found in Scripture and is made up to fit the agenda of a certain doctrine or doctrines. They will also tell you that in Rom. 6:2 where Paul said, "How shall we, who are dead to sin, live any longer therein," means that we who are saved are now sinless and we can keep the Commandments of Christ literally.

This is a total and complete misunderstanding of the Scripture! So let me show you what "dead to sin" really means and how we know there is a "sin nature."

In the original Greek, there is what's called a "definite article." This definite article which is stated as "the" turns the following word into a singular form noun. Let's look of an example of this in Scripture, where the definite article appears.

Rom. 5:21
"That as sin (the sin) hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord."

In the original Greek, Paul uses the definite article "the" in this verse. So what does Paul mean by this term "the sin?"

He is referring to "The Original Sin" in the Garden of Eden when man fell from the state of perfection to the fallen state of the "sin nature."

The verse actually reads,

"That as sin (the sin nature) hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord."

Paul is telling us that as the "sin nature" has reigned in every unbelieving man from the fall, through Christ, righteousness will reign in the nature of the believer.

Now let's continue to follow Paul as he begins Rom. chapter 6, and further explains "the sin nature."

Rom. 6:1-2
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin (the sin nature), that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin (the sin nature), live any longer therein?

You can see here that Paul is not saying we are dead to sin, as in no longer sinning, but we are dead to the sin nature.

Then in Rom. 6:14, Paul points it out for us.

"For sin (the sin nature) shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace"

Paul is not saying we will stop sinning, but that the "sin nature" will not have dominion over us as it reigns over the unbelievers.

Good article Charlie.

But I Think you should have said more about the law. The law is what promotes sin, Romans 7:7-12. To be dead to the law is to be dead to sin.

 

[Charlie24]

Good article Charlie.

But I Think you should have said more about the law. The law is what promotes sin, Romans 7:7-12. To be dead to the law is to be dead to sin.

Paul covered the Law and works totally in his letters. It seems some don't understand, but don't be fooled, they simply don't believe him!

These people have been hearing this for years, but they don't want to believe it, they have driven a wedge between themselves and the great Apostle.

 

[Hopeful]

Some will tell you there is no such thing as a "sin nature." They say it's not found in Scripture and is made up to fit the agenda of a certain doctrine or doctrines. They will also tell you that in Rom. 6:2 where Paul said, "How shall we, who are dead to sin, live any longer therein," means that we who are saved are now sinless and we can keep the Commandments of Christ literally.
This is a total and complete misunderstanding of the Scripture! So let me show you what "dead to sin" really means and how we know there is a "sin nature."
In the original Greek, there is what's called a "definite article." This definite article which is stated as "the" turns the following word into a singular form noun. Let's look of an example of this in Scripture, where the definite article appears.
Rom. 5:21
"That as sin (the sin) hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord."
In the original Greek, Paul uses the definite article "the" in this verse. So what does Paul mean by this term "the sin?"
He is referring to "The Original Sin" in the Garden of Eden when man fell from the state of perfection to the fallen state of the "sin nature."
The verse actually reads,
"That as sin (the sin nature) hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord."
Paul is telling us that as the "sin nature" has reigned in every unbelieving man from the fall, through Christ, righteousness will reign in the nature of the believer.
Now let's continue to follow Paul as he begins Rom. chapter 6, and further explains "the sin nature."
Rom. 6:1-2
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin (the sin nature), that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin (the sin nature), live any longer therein?
You can see here that Paul is not saying we are dead to sin, as in no longer sinning, but we are dead to the sin nature.
Then in Rom. 6:14, Paul points it out for us
"For sin (the sin nature) shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace"
Paul is not saying we will stop sinning, but that the "sin nature" will not have dominion over us as it reigns over the unbelievers.

Your POV is bereft of the effects of rebirth.
After having crucified the old man, with the affections and lusts, (Gal 5:24), we are reborn of God's seed and have a divine nature to replace whatever we once had.
Thanks be to God.

 

[Hopeful]

The truth is Charlie, you are quite correct, like Paul, we are plagued with our flesh, we are constantly bombarded by the desire for sin. Most of us keep it in check most of the time, but it is a plague for us with our imperfection.

What is interesting that most do not think about is, that as easy and desirable as sin is for us imperfect people, it would be the opposite for Adam and Eve to sin, as it would be against their nature being perfect.

How come your "old man" wasn't destroyed?
Paul wrote..."Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." (Rom 6:6)
His, and mine, skin and bones were destroyed, along with all that we once were.
It is written..."Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." (2 Cor 5:17)
Are you in Christ?

 

[Riven]

Why does this matter if Christ died for our sins? If the debt has already been paid?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Some will tell you there is no such thing as a "sin nature." They say it's not found in Scripture and is made up to fit the agenda of a certain doctrine or doctrines. They will also tell you that in Rom. 6:2 where Paul said, "How shall we, who are dead to sin, live any longer therein," means that we who are saved are now sinless and we can keep the Commandments of Christ literally.

This is a total and complete misunderstanding of the Scripture! So let me show you what "dead to sin" really means and how we know there is a "sin nature."

In the original Greek, there is what's called a "definite article." This definite article which is stated as "the" turns the following word into a singular form noun. Let's look of an example of this in Scripture, where the definite article appears.

Rom. 5:21
"That as sin (the sin) hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord."

In the original Greek, Paul uses the definite article "the" in this verse. So what does Paul mean by this term "the sin?"

He is referring to "The Original Sin" in the Garden of Eden when man fell from the state of perfection to the fallen state of the "sin nature."

The verse actually reads,

"That as sin (the sin nature) hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord."

Paul is telling us that as the "sin nature" has reigned in every unbelieving man from the fall, through Christ, righteousness will reign in the nature of the believer.

Now let's continue to follow Paul as he begins Rom. chapter 6, and further explains "the sin nature."

Rom. 6:1-2
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin (the sin nature), that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin (the sin nature), live any longer therein?

You can see here that Paul is not saying we are dead to sin, as in no longer sinning, but we are dead to the sin nature.

Then in Rom. 6:14, Paul points it out for us.

"For sin (the sin nature) shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace"

Paul is not saying we will stop sinning, but that the "sin nature" will not have dominion over us as it reigns over the unbelievers.

How come no one in the whole of the bible write the phrase “sin nature?” How come you have to reinterpret that out of scriptures that don’t say that? How come God didn’t tell poor Cain that he had an inborn sin nature from adam and can’t help wanting to murder his brother?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Why does this matter if Christ died for our sins? If the debt has already been paid?

The sin nature teaching gives people an excuse for their sin. Not their fault. They can’t help it.
It also means sin isn’t that actual evil you do, just some kind of state. Like “sin reigned” doesn’t mean the stealing and raping and murder men have actually done to others, but a general state of things. Human pride loves that teaching. Removes real guilt for real wrong choices.

It’s a theology that was invented by Augustine. No writer of the Bible had heard of it.

 

[Highway54]

It's amazing how we can believe in many things together, but be so far apart.

I would quite imagine that every single faith, likely even those who do not claim to be Christian share some beliefs in common, since all religion had a single origin point. An example is the flood, long before Christianity infiltrated some areas, some had in their philosophies a great flood.

Since all Christian faiths got their start with the outpouring of holy spirit on God's people on Pentecost of 33 CE, and have the same Bible, every one must have several similar beliefs, but of course it is the disagreements that divide them Charlie.

 

[Charlie24]

How come no one in the whole of the bible write the phrase “sin nature?” How come you have to reinterpret that out of scriptures that don’t say that? How come God didn’t tell poor Cain that he had an inborn sin nature from adam and can’t help wanting to murder his brother?

I you want to see the "sin nature" in action, put two toddlers in one play pin with one toy.

Cain was in rebellion against God, he refused to bring an animal sacrifice before God as Cain did, which represented the sacrifice of Christ. Cain killed Abel because he was a murderer in his heart.

 

[Charlie24]

Why does this matter if Christ died for our sins? If the debt has already been paid?

The sin nature is not taken away at salvation! It's a checkpoint for the believer. All of us at some point have drifted from Christ, when we do, the sin nature takes dominion over the believer. Then we can see we are going in the wrong direction.

Paul never said we can stop sinning, He plainly told us in Rom. 6:12.

"Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof."

He told us this because sin can reign in the believers mortal body through the sin nature, if we let it!

 

[Charlie24]

How come no one in the whole of the bible write the phrase “sin nature?” How come you have to reinterpret that out of scriptures that don’t say that? How come God didn’t tell poor Cain that he had an inborn sin nature from adam and can’t help wanting to murder his brother?

How can I or even Paul point out and warn about the sin nature to someone who has convinced themselves they can no longer sin? There are some here who believe exactly that, and have deceived themselves.

 

[Highway54]

How come your "old man" wasn't destroyed?
Paul wrote..."Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." (Rom 6:6)
His, and mine, skin and bones were destroyed, along with all that we once were.
It is written..."Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." (2 Cor 5:17)
Are you in Christ?

No sir, I am not of that fold.

 

[Charlie24]

I would quite imagine that every single faith, likely even those who do not claim to be Christian share some beliefs in common, since all religion had a single origin point. An example is the flood, long before Christianity infiltrated some areas, some had in their philosophies a great flood.

Since all Christian faiths got their start with the outpouring of holy spirit on God's people on Pentecost of 33 CE, and have the same Bible, every one must have several similar beliefs, but of course it is the disagreements that divide them Charlie.

Yes, it's the interpretation of Scripture that separates us. With each day that passes, that separation becomes wider and wider.

 

[Robert Pate]

Yes, it's the interpretation of Scripture that separates us. With each day that passes, that separation becomes wider and wider.

As long as we are in these unredeemed Adamic bodies, Romans 8:23. we are sinners. Some religions teach that this unredeemed Adamic body can be re-habilitated by the works of the law. When you go to these churches, and you smell a musty odor that is the old Adam rotting away in the basement. They just cannot seem to re-habilitate him.

 

[Charlie24]

As long as we are in these unredeemed Adamic bodies, Romans 8:23. we are sinners. Some religions teach that this unredeemed Adamic body can be re-habilitated by the works of the law. When you go to these churches, and you smell a must odor that is the old Adam rotting away in the basement. They just cannot seem to re-habilitate him.

Amen, Brother! Man cannot be rehabilitated, he must die in Christ and "become a new creature."

 

[Riven]

The sin nature is not taken away at salvation! It's a checkpoint for the believer.

A checkpoint? To my knowledge, Jesus didn't tell his followers "hey, I'm sacrificing myself for the sins of the world, but conditions apply".

If this sin nature, which to me sounds like another name for human nature, was so important, why didn't Jesus talk about it? The question of sin itself after the crucifixion is one that's open to interpretation.

We have Christians here that believe sin was conquered through Christ. Others believe that one can still sin, but the saved are still saved and THAT is the significance of the crucifixion. Others believe in a sin nature, or that the crucifixion was merely one step in the direction of salvation.

 

[Robert Pate]

Amen, Brother! Man cannot be rehabilitated, he must die in Christ and "become a new creature."

God and his Son Jesus Christ are not in the re-habilitating business. They like new things. A new heaven and a new earth, new creations. "Old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new" 2 Corinthians 5:17.