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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
Join Sola Scriptura for a discussion on the subject
https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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thessalonian said:
YES scripture is tradition and so are the doctrines of man that are derived from these scriptures. And so I reiterate the point I made earlier which you said you agreed with.
Any scripture, doctrine, edict, law, code or whatever that is followed because 'it is written' is all human effort. Now we can fulfil that scripture, doctrine, edict, law, code or whatever by the Spirit if we are led by the Spirit but if these things become a 'law' then we are now trying to achieve our goal by human effort. And in doing so we have gone back to trying to achieve righteousness (which is no righteousness at all) by what we do.
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Fulton Sheen's Warrior
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+JMJ+
Mutz,
What I don't understand is, if you say you have the Spirit, and the Baptists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, Episcopalians, and Fundamentalists etc. say they have the Spirit too.... Who are we to beleive?
Yes.
Mutz,
What I don't understand is, if you say you have the Spirit, and the Baptists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, Episcopalians, and Fundamentalists etc. say they have the Spirit too.... Who are we to beleive?
Yes.
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gingercat
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thessalonian said:Everybody pridefully coming up with their own theologies.
You mean everyone eccept RCC!
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thessalonian
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gingercat said:thessalonian said:
You mean everyone eccept RCC!
We don't come of what we believe on our own. We recoeve amd pass on what we have recieved.
1 Cor 11
23: For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you
2 Thessalonians, chapter 3
6: Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.
1 Corinthians, chapter 15
1: Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preached to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand,
1 Corinthians, chapter 4
7: For who sees anything different in you? What have you that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if it were not a gift?
Phil 4
: What you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, do; and the God of peace will be with you.
1 Thes 2
13: And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God, which is at work in you believers.
2 Thes 2
15: So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.
The faith was delivered once for all and passed along and so it should not be every man and his Bible. For you are to recieve the faith.
We do not reinvent wheels but use them and pass them along. It is not every Catholic and his Bible coming up with individual doctrines. It seems like control to you because of the unity of faith, which you will never find in your me and my Bible practice. I pray someday you will see the Church as it really is.
Blessings
Fulton Sheen's Warrior said:
As one who has the Spirit I recognise that God is not limited by demoninational barriers. And again, as one who has the Spirit I recognise the same Spirit within folks I know across many denominations - inlcuding Catholics.
I will come back to the second part later.
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gingercat
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thessalonian said:
Infallible Catholics, hooray :bday: :bday: :bday: :bday: :bday:
RCC decides who are the believers and who are not and many protestants follow them too.
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thessalonian
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gingercat said:
God bless you ginger.
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Fulton Sheen's Warrior
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+JMJ+
Did Christ not found His own Church?
I would have to agree with you. I too often see the Spirit in those outside of the Church. The Church recognises this.
The reason being, is that most Christian denominations have some of the truth.
Yet, the fact does remain that Christ founded a Church not 20,000 churches with their own theologies.
Agreed.
What is truth? As I have said before their are over 20,000 Christian denominations, and each of them claims they have the truth.
Each of them claims that what they do, they do in the name of the Holy Spirit.
You may disagree, but I'm not one to believe that it was our Lord's intention to have such disunity.
Pax Vobis,
FSW
Did Christ not found His own Church?
I would have to agree with you. I too often see the Spirit in those outside of the Church. The Church recognises this.
The reason being, is that most Christian denominations have some of the truth.
Yet, the fact does remain that Christ founded a Church not 20,000 churches with their own theologies.
Agreed.
What is truth? As I have said before their are over 20,000 Christian denominations, and each of them claims they have the truth.
Each of them claims that what they do, they do in the name of the Holy Spirit.
You may disagree, but I'm not one to believe that it was our Lord's intention to have such disunity.
Pax Vobis,
FSW
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Henry
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Catholics keep bringing out verses that talk about traditions and teachings, and yet nothing they do in there church are the traditions and teachings of the apostles.
As a matter of fact Paul would have a fit if he seen the RCC and the way they twist and manipulate the things he said.
Paul would not be a supporter of any Pope
As a matter of fact Paul would have a fit if he seen the RCC and the way they twist and manipulate the things he said.
Paul would not be a supporter of any Pope
My response in green
I would have to agree with you. I too often see the Spirit in those outside of the Church. The Church recognises this.
You make it sound as though 'the' church is the Catholic church. Is this what you are saying? If you are, and the catholic church recogises those outside the church who are born of the Spirit of God, then the body of Christ (THE church) extends beyond catholicism even by its own definition.
The reason being, is that most Christian denominations have some of the truth.
Yet, the fact does remain that Christ founded a Church not 20,000 churches with their own theologies.
As I said Christ is head of THE church. It is man who has created denominations - catholic & protestant.
Agreed.
Whew! I'm pleased about that.
What is truth? As I have said before their are over 20,000 Christian denominations, and each of them claims they have the truth.
Each of them claims that what they do, they do in the name of the Holy Spirit.
Yes there are many that claim they have the truth. And I recognise that there are some who do things in the name of the Holy Spirit. But doing something in the name of Jesus or the name of the Holy Spirit does not equate to having the truth. It is those who walk in the power of the risen Christ, who by the Spirit, fulfil the will of God in their lives according to His plan and purpose - who walk in the Truth.
You may disagree, but I'm not one to believe that it was our Lord's intention to have such disunity.
The point is, it is not those who CLAIM to be THE church that are in fact the body of Christ. And this is plain when we look at the fruit.
Pax Vobis,
FSW[/quote:61c60]
Fulton Sheen's Warrior said:
I would have to agree with you. I too often see the Spirit in those outside of the Church. The Church recognises this.
You make it sound as though 'the' church is the Catholic church. Is this what you are saying? If you are, and the catholic church recogises those outside the church who are born of the Spirit of God, then the body of Christ (THE church) extends beyond catholicism even by its own definition.
The reason being, is that most Christian denominations have some of the truth.
Yet, the fact does remain that Christ founded a Church not 20,000 churches with their own theologies.
As I said Christ is head of THE church. It is man who has created denominations - catholic & protestant.
Agreed.
Whew! I'm pleased about that.
What is truth? As I have said before their are over 20,000 Christian denominations, and each of them claims they have the truth.
Each of them claims that what they do, they do in the name of the Holy Spirit.
Yes there are many that claim they have the truth. And I recognise that there are some who do things in the name of the Holy Spirit. But doing something in the name of Jesus or the name of the Holy Spirit does not equate to having the truth. It is those who walk in the power of the risen Christ, who by the Spirit, fulfil the will of God in their lives according to His plan and purpose - who walk in the Truth.
You may disagree, but I'm not one to believe that it was our Lord's intention to have such disunity.
The point is, it is not those who CLAIM to be THE church that are in fact the body of Christ. And this is plain when we look at the fruit.
Pax Vobis,
FSW[/quote:61c60]
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Imagican
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Fulton Sheen's Warrior said:
Fulton,
May I offer that there are differences in spirit and Spirit. There are MANY spirits that exist. Many ARE led by THE SPIRIT, but there are MANY MORE that are led by 'other spirits'. These 'other spirits' have the appearance of The Spirit. Just as the anti-Christ is able to produce wonders and miracles, we must beware that these are NOT 'true' miracles or wonders. The Word tells us that these are LYING Wonders and FALSE MIRACLES. This is NO different than spirits that are able to mimic THE SPIRIT in form.
So, with these things in mind, one MUST put one the WHOLE armor of God in order to defend themselves against that which mimics rather than follow spirits. I contend that there are MANY that have been 'fooled' into believing in that 'false spirits' are The Spirit. How does one discern the difference? They put away the ways of men and follow rather Christ and the Father. And this is done by the developement of a 'personal relationship' with the Father through His Son rather than following men and 'false gods'. This is NOT as 'tricky' as it may seem to some. BUT, one MUST let go of man-made tradition that is NOT of the Word and begin to trust in God and His Son instead.
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Imagican
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Oh and Fulton, IMHO, this is very seldom taught by churches that lean on tradition rather than the Word of God. So, in reference to your question concerning denominations, I have stated over and over in my varied posts that there can be ONLY ONE TRUTH. If my statement is 'true', then there could ONLY be ONE denomination that is teaching this. Since each believes in something 'different', then I propose that men have altered the Word of God to suit themselves and created religions of 'thier OWN design'. This would make them ALL of none effect as far as 'truth' is concerned. Just MY opinion of course but it has a 'ring' of 'truth' to it when you realize that they follow MORE 'man-made' tradition than ANYTHING else.
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John the Baptist
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mutzrein said:
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Who & what are we suppose to be reading here, post starter? a persons mind or the persons Catholic doctrine?? Sometimes there is a difference, but NO ONE KNOWS or can read anyone's individual heart or mind! huh? Revelation 18:4 At least that is my take on your starter question! Only God knows the condition of your heart, but He has told the universe about the condition of the Catholic church.
: Surely, all of these posters can not be confused??? But perhaps they are? Revelation 17:5 And please don't snap back with a bashing 'me' question, ok? :wink: 2 Corinthians 4:2
---John
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Imagican
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No John, I believe that your first question concerning confusion is closer to the truth. Not all are confused. I think most understand the 'truth' concerning the Catholic Church. Since this is a 'Thess bashing' thread, I won't offer any 'John bahsing', (he he he).
And I find, once again that I posted too soon on my first post 'back'. Mutz had already answered Fulton quite sufficiently.
And let me add one more thing to my previous post. Just because I am NOT in favor of denominationalism, I too recognize when even those that have 'bought into' man's understanding through the churches, that YES, there are still those that are led by the Spirit. I simply believe that it becomes MUCH more difficult to even 'find' the Spirit when one follows the traditions of men rather than the Word of God. Not impossible for even those things that ARE impossible for man are NOT for God.
And I find, once again that I posted too soon on my first post 'back'. Mutz had already answered Fulton quite sufficiently.
And let me add one more thing to my previous post. Just because I am NOT in favor of denominationalism, I too recognize when even those that have 'bought into' man's understanding through the churches, that YES, there are still those that are led by the Spirit. I simply believe that it becomes MUCH more difficult to even 'find' the Spirit when one follows the traditions of men rather than the Word of God. Not impossible for even those things that ARE impossible for man are NOT for God.
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Imagican
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Henry said:
Agreed!
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Imagican
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OH NO, NOT the Imagican!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mutz, not only a man of understanding, but one with a 'sense of humor' as well.
It was an enjoyable vacation but boy it's good to be back home again.
Mutz, not only a man of understanding, but one with a 'sense of humor' as well.
It was an enjoyable vacation but boy it's good to be back home again.
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thessalonian
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Imagican said:
Sigh, and here we have a one man denomination (Imagican) who thinks he alone is the one on this board who has it all firgured out. I didn't miss your rhetoric and nonsense while you were away imagican. Though there are others (who contradict you) that think they are God's gift to understanding scripture as well. You all have traditions boys (and girls). It's just that some on this board have a tradition that is older than the Bible itself and some have a tradition that is as old as the moment they thought of it and decided for themselves it was true and then tried to pass it on to others.