The Trichotomy of Man (part I)

[Mysteryman]

Hi gd

I ask you these questions to make you think things through. But, because you are stuck on your personnal belief . My efforts are falling by the way side.

A dead person can not preach ! If his soul did not die, then mankinds soul is not redeemded from the dead , nor the grave. Jesus Christ had to die both body and soul, in order for mankind to be redeemed. Please read Acts 2:31 --- The word "hell" is a poor translation. It means the grave. This verse tells you that Jesus Christ soul went to the grave. At his death, he gave up the spirit (spirit of man) "ghost" in the kjv translation. It is the "spirit of man" - "ekpsucho" - to breath out - last breath.

Jesus himself said, that the son of man shall be in the heart of the earth, like Jonah was in the heart of the whale for three days and three night. Did Jonah preach to anyone while he was in the belly of the whale ? Jesus was put into a tomb/sepulchre . A sepulchre is a grave ! It is in the hebrew - "geburah" or "geber". In the greek , it is "mnemeion", which means monument. But , the other greek word is "taphos" which means - "burying place" - Matthew 27:61

Your suggestion that Jesus was not put into the heart of the earth is contrary to the very words of Jesus himself ! < Matt. 12:40

And Peter reminded everyone that the grave of David < - Acts 2:29 -- is still with us, and David is still dead !

LOL That's funny because I'm just trying to get you to think things through. But you are "stuck".

Jesus did not have to die both body and soul for mankind to be redeemed. That's just silly.
The soul that sins will die. Jesus did not sin...his soul did not die.
He bore our sins in his body...just as a lamb would.

He bore our sins in his own body...He was the sacrificial Lamb of God.

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Jonah wasn't dead at all, so you certainly can't claim Jesus' soul had to die by using Jonah as an example. Jesus was talking about his body being in the grave. Jesus most certain could and did descend into the place of the dead to preach to the prisoners there. His body was in the grave, His spirit was with the Father...that only leaves His soul. The grave of David is still with us...it holds his body, but not his soul.

Hi gd

What is silly, is to suggest that only his body died. Have you forgotten, that he took the sins of the world upon himself, and was made sin for us.

Yes glorydaz, his soul had to die for us, or else our soul would not be redeemed from the sin of death.

Our bodies are not going to be resurrected ! Our bodies will return to dust , as promised by the Lord God, that they will return to dust from whence they were taken. Flesh will not enter into the Kingdom of God - I Corinth. 15:50. There is no logical reason for God to go against His Word, and raise someone's flesh body. No logical reason whatsoever ! The only flesh bodies that has been raised from the dead, have died again. Jesus Christ was not raised in his flesh body, as many suspect/speculate. He was raised in a body fashioned liken unto a body of an angel, which is a spirit body, that can manifest itself to be seen . It can take on the form in which the Lord God fashions it. Jesus was there one moment and poof, gone in a split second. Appear and disappear right in the midst of them. A flesh body can not do that ! Jesus Christ was raised in his celestial body, not his flesh body.

And what do you mean by claiming that Jonah was not dead in the belly of the whale ? Are you suggesting that Jesus Christ was not dead in the heart of the earth ? Because if you are, then Christ didn't die for our sins ! ! Jonah prayed before he died ! Jonah chapter 2. And his soul became faint, and then died ! He actually drown in the water, with reeds wrapped around his head.

Did you read Acts 2:31 and 32 ?

 

[glorydaz]

What is silly, is to suggest that only his body died. Have you forgotten, that he took the sins of the world upon himself, and was made sin for us.

Our bodies are not going to be resurrected ! Our bodies will return to dust , as promised by the Lord God, that they will return to dust from whence they were taken. Flesh will not enter into the Kingdom of God

So what about the empty tomb? Just a minor glitch in your plan, isn't it?


He bore our sins in his "body". His "body" was resurrected...no body left in the tomb.

Those who are left alive when the Lord comes will be "changed"...given our spiritual bodies.

How did people recognize Jesus if it wasn't his physical body being changed into a spiritual one?

 

[Mysteryman]

Hi

This is the very reason I asked you if you knew what future means. You can't put future tense within the present tense. Paradise is future. The parable is talking about the future, not the present.

Jesus talking to the theif on the cross is again future paradise. The word "To - Day" is a two part word for a reason. It means - "in that day" or "in this day". The thief said, to remember me when you come into your kingdom. The kingdom is not the grave. Paradise is not the grave. Both are future.

Of course you can continue to believe as you wish.

Let's look at that, shall we? "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday to day and forever."
In every single instance, when the word "to day" is used in the NT, it is speaking of "this day". It's only the verse where Jesus is speaking to the thief on the cross that people won't accept it. There can be no other reason for that except a refusal to believe..."to be absent with the body is to be present with the Lord."

To day actually means "this day". It's the Greek word "semeron".
1. this (very) day)
2. what has happened today

Jesus makes it very clear here......there are more, but I'll just give you a few to chew on.

Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

We have seen strange things to day.
[quote="Luke 5:26":2hmcfpav] And they were all amazed, and they glorified God, and were filled with fear, saying, We have seen strange things to day.

The grass which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven....

Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

It will be foul weather to day...for the sky is red and lowering.

And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

Go to work to day....

But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.

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Hi gd

As I explained to you before. The double word -- "To - Day" means two different things. 1. In that day or 2. In this day

You pulled verses that mean number 2 - in this day. However, you failed to pull verse that mean - 1. In that day. One of those verses, is this one with Jesus on the cross with the promise to the theif.

Paradise is future, and not on the other side of the grave ! I am not sure even how you come up with such an idea as this. However, the fact remains, that the new earth is the paradise of God. That is future.

Your so called paradise, seems to be a rest stop on the interstate, with all the amenities. If your way of thinking is correct, I do hope they have a golf course there, as I love the game of golf.

 

[Mysteryman]

What is silly, is to suggest that only his body died. Have you forgotten, that he took the sins of the world upon himself, and was made sin for us.

Our bodies are not going to be resurrected ! Our bodies will return to dust , as promised by the Lord God, that they will return to dust from whence they were taken. Flesh will not enter into the Kingdom of God

So what about the empty tomb? Just a minor glitch in your plan, isn't it?


He bore our sins in his "body". His "body" was resurrected...no body left in the tomb.

Those who are left alive when the Lord comes will be "changed"...given our spiritual bodies.

How did people recognize Jesus if it wasn't his physical body being changed into a spiritual one?

Hi gd

I told you already, that the body of Jesus is as the body of Elijah. As Elisha has said, don't go looking for it !

That is correct, no body left in the tomb. Gone ! He was raised in a body fashioned liken unto an angelic body, which could manifest itself in human form.

Yes, those who are alive at the gathering up of the saints, will be given their spiritual bodies "when" they meet the Lord in the air. Their physical bodes will fall to the earth and return to dust. This is why he is coming as a theif in the night. Anyone walking by their five senses, will see nothing but dead bodies laying around. No answer, nor explanation. The church will be gone, gathered up.

How did they recognize the Lord after being raised from the dead ? Simple, he could manifest himself as being known or unknown. The first person to see the Lord in his resurrected body, Mary, thought he was the gardner, or care taker of this area from which the Lord was put into the tomb. She didn't recognize him ! Not until the Lord open her eyes and then she realized it was the Lord.

Let me ask you this , to help your understanding ---> This Mary talked to two angels before she saw the Lord. How did she see the angelic beings ? And why did she talk to them ?

Let me also clarify, that the body of Jesus , after being resurrected, had the ability to manifest itself in human form. This new body of Jesus was incorruptible, which represents the bodies of those who will be raised from the dead on the last day. He also had a spiritual body = unseen. But his incorruptible body could manifest itself and be seen - Luke 24:34 - 45.

When Christ comes back with his saints, he will be "seen", in the same manner in which he was taken up. This is when he puts one foot on land and the other foot on the sea. < This is his return ! And we the saints are coming back with him.

After Christ ascended up into heaven, he put on immortality = mortal putting on immortality. Which is exactly what Christians will do. Mortal putting on immortality. Everyone else who ever lived and died, will be raised in incorruptible bodies. Some unto everlasting life in paradise, and some unto everlasting damnation - for ever and ever.

 

[Ahuli]

Hi

This is the very reason I asked you if you knew what future means. You can't put future tense within the present tense. Paradise is future. The parable is talking about the future, not the present.

Jesus talking to the theif on the cross is again future paradise. The word "To - Day" is a two part word for a reason. It means - "in that day" or "in this day". The thief said, to remember me when you come into your kingdom. The kingdom is not the grave. Paradise is not the grave. Both are future.

Of course you can continue to believe as you wish.

Let's look at that, shall we? "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday to day and forever."
In every single instance, when the word "to day" is used in the NT, it is speaking of "this day". It's only the verse where Jesus is speaking to the thief on the cross that people won't accept it. There can be no other reason for that except a refusal to believe..."to be absent with the body is to be present with the Lord."

To day actually means "this day". It's the Greek word "semeron".
1. this (very) day)
2. what has happened today

Jesus makes it very clear here......there are more, but I'll just give you a few to chew on.

Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

We have seen strange things to day.
[quote="Luke 5:26":3rlk51mp] And they were all amazed, and they glorified God, and were filled with fear, saying, We have seen strange things to day.

The grass which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven....

Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

It will be foul weather to day...for the sky is red and lowering.

And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

Go to work to day....

But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.

[/quote:3rlk51mp]
Not good! Explanation rejected.

 

[glorydaz]

Let's look at that, shall we? "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday to day and forever."
In every single instance, when the word "to day" is used in the NT, it is speaking of "this day". It's only the verse where Jesus is speaking to the thief on the cross that people won't accept it. There can be no other reason for that except a refusal to believe..."to be absent with the body is to be present with the Lord."

To day actually means "this day". It's the Greek word "semeron".
1. this (very) day)
2. what has happened today

Jesus makes it very clear here......there are more, but I'll just give you a few to chew on.

Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

We have seen strange things to day.
[quote="Luke 5:26":3jhvk1u6] And they were all amazed, and they glorified God, and were filled with fear, saying, We have seen strange things to day.

The grass which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven....
[quote="Matthew 6:30":3jhvk1u6] Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

It will be foul weather to day...for the sky is red and lowering.

And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

Go to work to day....

But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.

[/quote:3jhvk1u6]
Not good! Explanation rejected.[/quote:3jhvk1u6]
LOL...That's right, don't let the facts get in the way of your doctrine. :biglaugh

 

[Mysteryman]

Let's look at that, shall we? "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday to day and forever."
In every single instance, when the word "to day" is used in the NT, it is speaking of "this day". It's only the verse where Jesus is speaking to the thief on the cross that people won't accept it. There can be no other reason for that except a refusal to believe..."to be absent with the body is to be present with the Lord."

To day actually means "this day". It's the Greek word "semeron".
1. this (very) day)
2. what has happened today

Jesus makes it very clear here......there are more, but I'll just give you a few to chew on.

Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

We have seen strange things to day.
[quote="Luke 5:26":dws4h810] And they were all amazed, and they glorified God, and were filled with fear, saying, We have seen strange things to day.

The grass which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven....
[quote="Matthew 6:30":dws4h810] Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

It will be foul weather to day...for the sky is red and lowering.

And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

Go to work to day....

But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.

[/quote:dws4h810]
Not good! Explanation rejected.[/quote:dws4h810]
LOL...That's right, don't let the facts get in the way of your doctrine. :biglaugh[/quote]


Hi gd

Couldn't the same be said of your doctrine ?