The Trinity

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There are plenty of LOGOI in the New Testament.
(Rev 19:9 KJV) And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings [Strong's G3056 λογοι] of God.

This is to equivocate on the meaning of logos. There is only one person that is the Logos, but there are other meanings of logos that do not refer to the person but to spoken words, sometimes even specifically the gospel.

1 John 5:7-8
ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες εν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ πατήρ, ὁ λόγος, καὶ τὸ Ἅγιον Πνεῦμα·
How that the three they are; a which testify in the heaven. A father a word and a Holy Spirit. But Jesus was only worded about in verse 6.

Yes, Jesus was mentioned in verse 6 but so is the Holy Spirit, so that doesn't mean Jesus isn't the Word in verse 7.

καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσιν
And others a three to the one, they are.

καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἕν(should be επι?) τῇ γῇ
And the three they are, a which testify in the earth:
τὸ πνεῦμα καὶ τὸ ὕδωρ καὶ τὸ αἷμα three masculine articles and the feminine nouns, three neuters.
a spirit and a water and a blood.
καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἐν εἰσὶν
And a three into a one they are.

I don't know what your point is here. Twice John says there are three in verse 7, which means there are three--the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit (if one believes that is likely how the verse was originally written), not two.

I don't think it makes sense the trinitarian way.

It can only be understood in a Trinitarian way. That is at the center of the debate about this verse.

He is his own word just like you have your own name.

There is only one person called the Word in the Bible and that is Jesus:

Rev 19:13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. (ESV)

So far, you have not presented any scholarly support for anything you have stated. I am not surprised as I doubt there is any scholar who would support your interpretations of the texts you have so far provided. I only say that because that should be a huge red flag as to the validity of your interpretations and understanding of the Greek.

 

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That's like stating my spirit isn't me. Its not the nature of the Spirit of God in question but the distinct personhood of the Spirit. For the Fathers Spirit would have His nature.

Matthew 10:20

Fathers promise
In the last days I will pour out "My Spirit"...

The Spirit of the One who sent Him.
The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,....

For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.

Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit but Jesus never referred to that Spirit as a person (Father) nor did He ever pray to the Spirit but only to the Father.

First, the Holy Spirit is also referred to as the Spirit of Christ/Son/Jesus:

Act 16:6 And they went through the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia.
Act 16:7 And when they had come up to Mysia, they attempted to go into Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus did not allow them. (ESV)

Rom 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. (ESV)

Gal 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” (ESV)

Php 1:19 for I know that through your prayers and the help of the Spirit of Jesus Christ this will turn out for my deliverance, (ESV)

Even in referring to the Spirit by which the OT prophets inquired into Christ's coming:

1Pe 1:10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully,
1Pe 1:11 inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories. (ESV)

Second, the NT continually and consistently mentions the Father and the Holy Spirit as distinct. Third, the NT uses language of the Holy Spirit that is used only of persons:

Acts: Matt 4:1; Acts 8:39, 16:7
Speaks: John 16:13-15; Acts 1:16, 10:19, 11:12, 11:28, 13:2, 15:28; 1 Tim 4:1; Heb 3:7
Can be lied to: Acts 5:3, which is the same as lying to God (5:9)
Bears witness: Rom 8:16; Heb 10:15; 1 John 5:6
Helps, intercedes, and searches: John 14:16, 15:26, 16:7; Rom 8:26-27; 1 Cor 2:10
Teaches: Luke 12:12; John 16:13; 1 Cor 2:13
Gives gifts: 1 Cor 12:11; Heb 2:4
Leads: John 16:13; Gal 5:18, Heb 9:8
Can be grieved: Eph 4:30
Can be outraged: Heb 10:29
Can be blasphemed: Matt 12:31-32
Convicts: John 16:8-11

And on it goes. These are actions of personal agency.

Its not those who listen to the Spirit and learn from Him its those who listen to the Father and learn from "Him" God is on His throne in heaven so its by "His Spirit" He bears this witness.

It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.

And how will they be taught by God?

Joh 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
Joh 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
Joh 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you. (ESV)

Again, the Holy Spirit is distinct from both the Father and the Son, but takes from both and will declare it to Christ's followers and guide them "into all the truth."

 

[7thMoon]

This is to equivocate on the meaning of logos. There is only one person that is the Logos, but there are other meanings of logos that do not refer to the person but to spoken words, sometimes even specifically the gospel.

Jesus as the logos alone is a lame Muslim original concept.

Yes, Jesus was mentioned in verse 6 but so is the Holy Spirit, so that doesn't mean Jesus isn't the Word in verse 7.

Some spirit is mentioned. It is only the spirit of Jesus. Jesus' spirit and the Holy Spirit are not the same.

I don't know what your point is here. Twice John says there are three in verse 7, which means there are three--the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit (if one believes that is likely how the verse was originally written), not two.

The second 3 are in verse 8.

It can only be understood in a Trinitarian way. That is at the center of the debate about this verse.

As if.

There is only one person called the Word in the Bible and that is Jesus:

Rev 19:13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. (ESV)

ὁ λόγος τοῦ θεοῦ a word of a God. It is not the same.

So far, you have not presented any scholarly support for anything you have stated. I am not surprised as I doubt there is any scholar who would support your interpretations of the texts you have so far provided. I only say that because that should be a huge red flag as to the validity of your interpretations and understanding of the Greek.

My flag was that you don't understand appositives.

 

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Jesus as the logos alone is a lame Muslim original concept.

Provide evidence, please.

Some spirit is mentioned. It is only the spirit of Jesus. Jesus' spirit and the Holy Spirit are not the same.

"Some spirit"? Your misunderstanding of Greek grammar is really causing some issues with your biblical interpretation.

There is clearly a specific Spirit in view here--"the Spirit," not "a Spirit"--which would be the Holy Spirit, mentioned in verses 6-8.

The second 3 are in verse 8.

Right, which is not what I am discussing, since it is not relevant to the fact that John twice mentions three in verse 7 specifically and only in regards to "the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost." The three in verse 8 only refer to "the Spirit, and the water, and the blood."

As if.

Again, please provide evidence to support your interpretation. If you look at the debate surrounding the Johannine Comma, it is about whether or not it was in the autograph due to its obvious and well developed Trinitarian wording.

ὁ λόγος τοῦ θεοῦ a word of a God. It is not the same.

"The Word of [the] God." Exactly the same. Again, your misunderstanding of Greek grammar is doing you no favors.

My flag was that you don't understand appositives.

Again, please provide scholarly evidence. I'm not talking about a flag I have; it should be a red flag to you that you have not, and most likely cannot, find a single legitimate expert in Greek who would agree with you. Those are the types of things we need to note when we are trying to understand what the Bible says. If I think I have come to an understanding of a verse or passage, but then cannot find any commentaries or other resources that agree with me, then I know I am most likely in error.

The fact you haven't provided any scholarly support so far for any of your assertions, strongly suggests that you know there isn't any. Which leaves me to wonder why you would believe your own opinion over numerous scholars who have expertise in koine Greek.

 

[Randy]

First, the Holy Spirit is also referred to as the Spirit of Christ/Son/Jesus:

Act 16:6 And they went through the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia.
Act 16:7 And when they had come up to Mysia, they attempted to go into Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus did not allow them. (ESV)

Rom 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. (ESV)

Gal 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” (ESV)

Php 1:19 for I know that through your prayers and the help of the Spirit of Jesus Christ this will turn out for my deliverance, (ESV)

Even in referring to the Spirit by which the OT prophets inquired into Christ's coming:

1Pe 1:10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully,
1Pe 1:11 inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories. (ESV)

Second, the NT continually and consistently mentions the Father and the Holy Spirit as distinct. Third, the NT uses language of the Holy Spirit that is used only of persons:

Acts: Matt 4:1; Acts 8:39, 16:7
Speaks: John 16:13-15; Acts 1:16, 10:19, 11:12, 11:28, 13:2, 15:28; 1 Tim 4:1; Heb 3:7
Can be lied to: Acts 5:3, which is the same as lying to God (5:9)
Bears witness: Rom 8:16; Heb 10:15; 1 John 5:6
Helps, intercedes, and searches: John 14:16, 15:26, 16:7; Rom 8:26-27; 1 Cor 2:10
Teaches: Luke 12:12; John 16:13; 1 Cor 2:13
Gives gifts: 1 Cor 12:11; Heb 2:4
Leads: John 16:13; Gal 5:18, Heb 9:8
Can be grieved: Eph 4:30
Can be outraged: Heb 10:29
Can be blasphemed: Matt 12:31-32
Convicts: John 16:8-11

And on it goes. These are actions of personal agency.


And how will they be taught by God?

Joh 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
Joh 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
Joh 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you. (ESV)

Again, the Holy Spirit is distinct from both the Father and the Son, but takes from both and will declare it to Christ's followers and guide them "into all the truth."

I guess you disagree with the Father who alone calls the Spirit His own? I believe Him so you have my source. As I stated its not the nature of the Spirit in question. Its calling the Spirit a distinct person.

As for Christ in us
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

The Spirit does guide us but does not speak on His own. Only what He hears. I would think He hears from the mind of God the Father as primary as its His own Spirt and the mind of Christ as secondary as He was gifted the fullness and has a place on His Fathers throne.

But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

 

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I guess you disagree with the Father who alone calls the Spirit His own? I believe Him so you have my source.

Arguments like this aren't helpful since I can claim him as my source as well, so that leaves us nowhere. That you "believe Him" is only based on your understanding of what he said, and that could be wrong.

As I stated its not the nature of the Spirit in question. Its calling the Spirit a distinct person.

I know and the verses I gave show that he is distinct from the Father and the Son. I should have pointed out that your statements:

"Fathers promise
In the last days I will pour out "My Spirit"...

The Spirit of the One who sent Him.
The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,...."

These beg the question as to whether or not Yahweh is triune and whether or not the Holy Spirit is a distinct person. You are beginning with the assumption that "LORD" refers only to the Father. Of course, the reference to "LORD" in Luke 4:18 is meaning the Father, but, as I have shown, the Holy Spirit is also called the Spirit of the Son, the Spirit of Christ, and the Spirit of Jesus. This only shows the intimate relationship of the three persons that are set to interpenetrate each other--where one is, so are the other two, even though each has distinct roles in the salvation of humans and redemption of creation.

As for Christ in us
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

The Spirit does guide us but does not speak on His own. Only what He hears. I would think He hears from the mind of God the Father as primary as its His own Spirt and the mind of Christ as secondary as He was gifted the fullness and has a place on His Fathers throne.

But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

Of course, but the point is that the Spirit listens, speaks, guides; those are actions of personal agency.

Joh 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,
Joh 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. (ESV)

"Another" is one that is similar yet distinct.

 

[Randy]

Arguments like this aren't helpful since I can claim him as my source as well, so that leaves us nowhere. That you "believe Him" is only based on your understanding of what he said, and that could be wrong.


I know and the verses I gave show that he is distinct from the Father and the Son. I should have pointed out that your statements:

"Fathers promise
In the last days I will pour out "My Spirit"...

The Spirit of the One who sent Him.
The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,...."

These beg the question as to whether or not Yahweh is triune and whether or not the Holy Spirit is a distinct person. You are beginning with the assumption that "LORD" refers only to the Father. Of course, the reference to "LORD" in Luke 4:18 is meaning the Father, but, as I have shown, the Holy Spirit is also called the Spirit of the Son, the Spirit of Christ, and the Spirit of Jesus. This only shows the intimate relationship of the three persons that are set to interpenetrate each other--where one is, so are the other two, even though each has distinct roles in the salvation of humans and redemption of creation.


Of course, but the point is that the Spirit listens, speaks, guides; those are actions of personal agency.

Joh 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,
Joh 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. (ESV)

"Another" is one that is similar yet distinct.

Father and Son

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Father and Son

yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Father and Son

Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”

The Spirit of God is involved:

The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,

Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations.

Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

It is the Fathers witness by His Spirit
It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.

Speaks only what He hears
For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

 

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Father and Son

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Father and Son

yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Father and Son

Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”

The Spirit of God is involved:

The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,

Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations.

Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

It is the Fathers witness by His Spirit
It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.

Speaks only what He hears
For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

Okay. What is the point you're making? Simply posting verses without giving a reason or some commentary is almost always never helpful.

 

[Randy]

Okay. What is the point you're making? Simply posting verses without giving a reason or some commentary is almost always never helpful.

You mean no mention of the person of the Spirit.
Christ, Paul, The host of heaven honored the Father and Son. You think they forgot to honor the person of the Spirit?

Or perhaps its the Spirit of our heavenly Father and not a 3rd person.

“I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. 17 Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues. 18 On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

 

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You mean no mention of the person of the Spirit.
Christ, Paul, The host of heaven honored the Father and Son. You think they forgot to honor the person of the Spirit?

Or perhaps its the Spirit of our heavenly Father and not a 3rd person.

“I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. 17 Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues. 18 On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

That the Holy Spirit is also called the Spirit of the Father does not mean that he isn't also a distinct person, especially, as I have been pointing out, he is also called the Spirit of Jesus, the Spirit of Christ, and the Spirit of the Son. And, again, there are numerous passages which ascribe personal agency to the Holy Spirit, which is to make him a distinct person from the Father. They are always mentioned distinct one from the other which is pointless if they are one and the same.

Mat 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

 

[7thMoon]

That the Holy Spirit is also called the Spirit of the Father does not mean that he isn't also a distinct person, especially, as I have been pointing out, he is also called the Spirit of Jesus, the Spirit of Christ, and the Spirit of the Son. And, again, there are numerous passages which ascribe personal agency to the Holy Spirit, which is to make him a distinct person from the Father. They are always mentioned distinct one from the other which is pointless if they are one and the same.

Mat 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Jesus has a distinct spirit, otherwise you have a hard time believing he is fully a man. And 1 John 5:6 is not talking about the HS, but Jesus' spirit. Heh, but doctrines of demons are doctrines of confusion.

 

[for_his_glory]

Nothing of those verses says Jesus is God.

You are making your own doctrines.

If you think I am lying, show me where Jesus says "I am God"?

I'm not going to argue with you. Either you accept Jesus saying "I Am" or you reject all the scriptures that has Him saying this, especially Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

(Red letter Edition of the KJV)

 

[for_his_glory]

I really do not think anyone can truly comprehend the entirely of the Trinity/Deity, but to know that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and no one can come to the Father, except by that of Christ Jesus alone in whom is from God's grace as Jesus is our faith, Ephesians 2:8.

Below is my study I wrote on this topic and I hope it sheds some light.

1. God is Spirit, John 4:24, not flesh and blood and in the OT either spoke directly to the prophets or by angels and also various objects like a burning bush or an ass for example. Between the OT and NT God was silent towards Israel as when they returned to Israel from the Babylonian captivity they came back as merchants and not shepherds as they were disobedient to God going after other gods, Book of Malachi.

2. Jesus being the very Spirit of God before the foundation of the world as He and the Father are one was prophesied by the Prophets in the OT and spoken of by John the baptist in the NT as John being the forerunner of Christ calling all to repent. As foretold Christ did come as the word of God made flesh (skin, bone, blood) to be that light that shines in darkness. He came as redeemer Savior through Gods grace as Christ is our faith that all can repent of their sins and have eternal life with the Father to all who will believe in Him as Lord and Savior. John 1:1-4; 1 Peter 1:13-21

3. After the sacrifice of Christ God raised Him from the grave and as He had to ascend back up to heaven the promise was that He would never leave us or forsake us as when He ascended He sent down the Holy Spirit (Spirit of God) to indwell all who will believe in Christ and His finished works on the cross. In the OT Gods Spirit fell on them for a time and purpose under heaven. Now we are indwelled with that power and authority through Gods grace that the Holy Spirit now works in us and through us teaching all things God wants us to learn. All three are Spiritual and Spiritual awakenings in us to know the will of God and walk in His statures. John 16:7-15

Ephesians 4: 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit as all three coequal Gods Spirit.

Jesus being the right arm of God who knew no sin. Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Jesus is the word of God. John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Jesus is word, light and life that is God come in the flesh. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Gods Holy Spirit has come to indwell us and teach us. John 14: 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Just like the word Trinity you are not going to find the exact words "God Holy Spirit" written in scripture, but scripture explains there is only one God, not three, as God exist in three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. All three are each God, meaning equal in power, nature and attributes and worthy of the same praise. This doesn't mean there are three gods as there is only one true God. It also doesn't mean that these are different forms of God as each is its own person. It's hard to wrap our heads around this as we can not fully understand God.

The Holy Spirit appears in both the OT and NT. In Genesis 1:2 the Spirt of God was hovering over the waters. In Genesis 1:26 Let us make mankind in our image. The word "us" means God, Son Jesus and Holy Spirit (Trinity=3) all being before the creation of the world.

The Holy Spirit has power and emotions and is active among His people. Isaiah 63:10 But they rebelled, and vexed his Holy Spirit (God Holy Spirit). Nehemiah 9:20 Thou gavest also thy good spirit to instruct them, (God Holy Spirit). Now under the dispensation of God's grace we have God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit dwelling in us as we are all one in Him and He in us through that of the Spiritual rebirth from above, John 3:5-7; Acts chapter 2; 1 John 4:12-17.


Scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:
John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8

Scriptures that reference the Holy Spirit as being God:
Psalms 139:7, 8; John 14:17; 16:13; Isaiah 40:13; 1 Corinthians 2:10, 11; Zechariah 4:6; Luke 1:35; Ephesians 4:4-6; Romans 5:5; 1 Corinthians 6:19; Ephesians 1:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:5; Titus 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21; Jude 1:20

 

[Free]

Jesus has a distinct spirit, otherwise you have a hard time believing he is fully a man.

Jesus is truly God and truly man, yes, but his two natures are not separate, nor are they mixed; they are perfectly united.

And 1 John 5:6 is not talking about the HS, but Jesus' spirit.

It is talking about the Holy Spirit:

1Jn 5:6 This is he who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not by the water only but by the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. (ESV)

Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. (ESV)

Joh 15:26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me. (ESV)

Joh 16:8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment:
Joh 16:9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me;
Joh 16:10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer;
...
Joh 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
Joh 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. (ESV)

Here is how 1 John 5:6-8 reads in the ESV, without the addition in verse 7:

1Jn 5:6 This is he who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not by the water only but by the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that testify:
1Jn 5:8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree. (ESV)

Heh, but doctrines of demons are doctrines of confusion.

They are.

 

[7thMoon]

Jesus is truly God and truly man, yes, but his two natures are not separate, nor are they mixed; they are perfectly united.


It is talking about the Holy Spirit:

1Jn 5:6 This is he who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not by the water only but by the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. (ESV)

It doesn't look like this to me.
"And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." This is a repeat of verse 6 without noting the earth. First you have the heaven, and then you have the earth. And we know the water and the blood are the Christ specific; and we can assume the spirit is also.

 

[Randy]

That the Holy Spirit is also called the Spirit of the Father does not mean that he isn't also a distinct person, especially, as I have been pointing out, he is also called the Spirit of Jesus, the Spirit of Christ, and the Spirit of the Son. And, again, there are numerous passages which ascribe personal agency to the Holy Spirit, which is to make him a distinct person from the Father. They are always mentioned distinct one from the other which is pointless if they are one and the same.

Mat 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

There is only "one" Spirit.
There is only "one" true or unbegotten God the Father.
There is only "one" begotten from the Father like to like Son Jesus.

That leaves no option for a 3rd person. I agree with the Eastern Church in that the Spirit proceeds from the Father though I do note its given "through" the Son. The Spirit Jesus sends He received, as in all things, from the Father. The God and Father of our Lord Jesus as we read.

I don't think they "forgot" anything. No honor given to a "person" of the Spirit.
Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”

No note of the "person" of the Spirit.
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Frankly I don't know how anyone can read the NT and not see the Spirit of God is the Spirit of our heavenly Father rather than another person. Not that it makes much difference as the nature of the Spirit is not in question.

As Jesus read-The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is one me.. The Spirit of the one who sent Him.

"They shall all be taught by God" - How did Jesus interpret this prophecy? Those who listen to the "Father" and learn from "Him" come to me. (Jesus) That witness has to be by the Spirit of God.

 

[Randy]

That the Holy Spirit is also called the Spirit of the Father does not mean that he isn't also a distinct person, especially, as I have been pointing out, he is also called the Spirit of Jesus, the Spirit of Christ, and the Spirit of the Son. And, again, there are numerous passages which ascribe personal agency to the Holy Spirit, which is to make him a distinct person from the Father. They are always mentioned distinct one from the other which is pointless if they are one and the same.

Mat 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

In these last days God the Father has spoken to us by His Son. -Jesus testified where His message came from.
Likewise God the Father has witnessed Christ to us by His Spirit. Jesus testified to us those who listen and learn from the Father come to Him.

In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

You have noted in speaking of the persons of the trinity that Jesus speaks of the Spirit as another. I have pointed out that the Father does NOT.

 

[Free]

There is only "one" Spirit.
There is only "one" true or unbegotten God the Father.
There is only "one" begotten from the Father like to like Son Jesus.

That leaves no option for a 3rd person.

You just listed all three.

I agree with the Eastern Church in that the Spirit proceeds from the Father though I do note its given "through" the Son. The Spirit Jesus sends He received, as in all things, from the Father. The God and Father of our Lord Jesus as we read.

But you disagree with the Eastern Church that the Holy Spirit is a distinct person.

I don't think they "forgot" anything. No honor given to a "person" of the Spirit.
Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”

No note of the "person" of the Spirit.
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Frankly I don't know how anyone can read the NT and not see the Spirit of God is the Spirit of our heavenly Father rather than another person. Not that it makes much difference as the nature of the Spirit is not in question.

As Jesus read-The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is one me.. The Spirit of the one who sent Him.

"They shall all be taught by God" - How did Jesus interpret this prophecy? Those who listen to the "Father" and learn from "Him" come to me. (Jesus) That witness has to be by the Spirit of God.

You're still not dealing with the arguments I've presented. First, the Holy Spirit is also called the Spirit of Jesus, the Spirit of God's Son, and Spirit of Christ. Second, I provided numerous verbs which are indicative of personal agency or "personhood." Third, it is not insignificant that blasphemy against the Son will be forgiven but blasphemy against the Spirit.

That the Holy Spirit is not as prominent in the NT is not relevant as to whether or not he is God and distinct from the Father and the Son. Jesus is the central figure of the entire Bible, so naturally he will be the focus, along with the Father who sent him, since he points the way of salvation to God. The Holy Spirit is almost quiet in the background, doing the work that he does. He brings glory to the Son, not himself, just as the Son brings glory to the Father.

 

[Free]

In these last days God the Father has spoken to us by His Son. -Jesus testified where His message came from.
Likewise God the Father has witnessed Christ to us by His Spirit. Jesus testified to us those who listen and learn from the Father come to Him.

In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

You have noted in speaking of the persons of the trinity that Jesus speaks of the Spirit as another. I have pointed out that the Father does NOT.

The Father speaks directly, what, three times? That isn't much at all and when he does speak, he points to his Son or answers the Son, so that people believe in who the Son is and his mission. Also, the Father gives the Son words to speak, so when Jesus speaks of the Spirit, that is, in a sense, the Father also speaking.

 

[7thMoon]

They are.

And the trinity doctrine isn't confusion?