Bible Study The Vail of Christ

[ezrider]

I believe that the veil of understanding the Old Testament has been removed from the minds of all believers in the Christ of God, Jesus. Why? Because the Holy Spirit has taken up residence in a believers life (Temple). The unction, or anointing, 1John 2:20 "But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge."

I can not disagree with anything that you have stated, not one bit.

So I ask you then, why the resistance to calling Him your Husband instead of your Lord or Master?

Hosea 2:16 (KJV)
Hosea 2:16 (NKJV)


Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

 

[Chopper]

I can not disagree with anything that you have stated, not one bit.

So I ask you then, why the resistance to calling Him your Husband instead of your Lord or Master?

Hosea 2:16 (KJV)
Hosea 2:16 (NKJV)


Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Mainly because I believe a marriage ceremony must take place before I can call Jesus my Husband. The Scripture in Hosea 2:16 says "in that day", to me that's future, not now. Until the future Revelation ceremonies happen, I'll be busy about the Gospel which makes me a bond servant to my Master Jesus because actually I'm only doing His work by and thru the Holy Spirit.

 

[ezrider]

Mainly because I believe a marriage ceremony must take place before I can call Jesus my Husband. The Scripture in Hosea 2:16 says "in that day", to me that's future, not now. Until the future Revelation ceremonies happen, I'll be busy about the Gospel which makes me a bond servant to my Master Jesus because actually I'm only doing His work by and thru the Holy Spirit.

Tell me Chopper, ten years from now, a hundred years from now, why even a thousand years from now; is there ever a time when the scripture and the written word will no longer say "in that day" meaning it is still future? When will you allow the phrase "in that day" to be considered something in the past?

 

[Chopper]

Tell me Chopper, ten years from now, a hundred years from now, why even a thousand years from now; is there ever a time when the scripture and the written word will no longer say "in that day" meaning it is still future? When will you allow the phrase "in that day" to be considered something in the past?

Because the context is future, not past.

 

[ezrider]

Because the context is future, not past.

And when will the context of the written word ever change so that you might believe it is then acceptable to call him your husband?

 

[Sinthesis]

Maybe you would be so kind as to explain who Paul is referring to when He says because of their vain imaginations their foolish heart was darkened. Who are these that profess themselves to be wise, but became fools, changing the Glory of G-d into the image of a man?


Romans 1:21-23
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man.

He is talking about Gentiles worshiping the pagan gods of Greek and Roman mythology, who were presented as gods motivated by the same petty, spiteful, base desires as fallen corruptible man. Our God, Jesus Christ, did not act like those imagined pagan gods, such as Zeus, Apollo, Dionysus, etc. It is through Jesus Christ that we can see the glory of the uncorruptible God, provided one believes Jesus is God. Otherwise you just have a mere man accepting the worship of other men, which is not much different than the corruptible Caesars accepting worship.

 

[ezrider]

He is talking about Gentiles worshiping the pagan gods of Greek and Roman mythology, who were presented as gods motivated by the same petty, spiteful, base desires as fallen corruptible man. Our God, Jesus Christ, did not act like those imagined pagan gods, such as Zeus, Apollo, Dionysus, etc. It is through Jesus Christ that we can see the glory of the uncorruptible God, provided one believes Jesus is God. Otherwise you just have a mere man accepting the worship of other men, which is not much different than the corruptible Caesars accepting worship.

Nice try, but where did Paul mention Zeus or Apollo or any other greek god or goddes in context with Romans 1?
The Context of Romans 1 is the Gospel of Christ, and how the Just shall live by Faith.
Yes, it is through Jesus Christ that we can see the Glory of the Father, but not by his flesh; but rather by His Spirit.

 

[ezrider]

Because the context is future, not past.

Tell me Chopper, is the following scripture still for the future, or is it past?

Jeremiah 23:5-8
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, the Lord our Righteousness. Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that they shall no more say, The Lord liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; But, The Lord liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

How was his flesh considered the veil?

It's the way into the Most Holy Place--metaphorically, the place where God comes down to meet man.

His is an open veil. Whereas the literal curtain in the old covenant was a barrier to the Most Holy Place, signifying the way was not open in the way of the old covenant. But in Christ, the New Covenant, it is open, and open to all. But you do have to enter in through that curtain, the curtain of Christ.

 

[Sinthesis]

Nice try, but where did Paul mention Zeus or Apollo or any other greek god or goddes in context with Romans 1?
The Context of Romans 1 is the Gospel of Christ, and how the Just shall live by Faith.
Yes, it is through Jesus Christ that we can see the Glory of the Father, but not by his flesh; but rather by His Spirit.

Have you read Romans 1:18-32? It describes how the Gentiles(Greeks, Romans, etc.) had access to the truth but chose to corrupt it in their own image. Not just the physical image, but spiritual and behavioral as well. Consider how depraved the false gods act within pagan mythology.

The Word of God clothed Himself in flesh as Jesus Christ so we could best relate to Him. We don't worship His flesh, but in taking communion we accept that it was given for us. By His Spirit Jesus Christ demonstrated to us what God is like. Do you believe Jesus Christ is God?

 

[Chopper]

This might be a good place for me to post my thinking on the OP Mr. EZ. In your OP, I liked your use of 2 Cor. 3. I believe the answer to your thread can be found in the entire chapter as it has to do with the Glory of God.

The 10 Commandments that God gave to Moses was glorious in the fact that God has always wanted a holy people to be holy like Hi is. The Commandments would aid Israel in becoming that holy Nation if only they would follow those Commandments.

I am an avid student of the Old Testament Scriptures, perhaps because of this verse in Romans that I read many years ago.
Romans 15:4 "For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope." That sure struck a note with me that to understand what God was after in separating a nation of people, different from any other, and to discover how that Nation of people would respond to their God, I would gain a lot of wisdom and knowledge on how to order my life and instruct others as the Lord would lead.

GLORY. Just what is Glory.
δόξα
doxa
dox'-ah
From the base of G1380; glory (as very apparent), in a wide application (literally or figuratively, objectively or subjectively): - dignity, glory (-ious), honour, praise, worship.
Total KJV occurrences: 168

A long time ago I decided to identify the Glory of God as honor, dignity, and reputation....When Moses came down from that mountain with the two stone tablets that had the Commandments that God wanted His special people to follow housed in those letters written by the finger of God, there was GLORY! There was honor, dignity, and reputation in those words and the experience for the mortal man Moses to have been in the presence of Almighty God, and to have in his hands the written honor, dignity, and reputation of God, a powerful radiance came out from the face of Moses so that the people could not look at his face. Therefore the Glory (honor, dignity, reputation) of God had to be hidden from the peoples minds by a veil over Moses face.

Jesus Christ, God's only Son is the Glory of the Father. Obedience to God's Commands shows love toward the Author of the Commands. Obedience reveals Glory. Because the Israelites were disobedient to the Commands, Statues, and Rules of God, His Glory was hidden from them. The Law and the Prophets words all pointed to a completion in the Messiah to Israel. That Messiah was, and is, Jesus, God's only Son Who is the manifest Glory of the Father.

The only way that a Jewish person can understand what the Hebrew Scriptures (OT) were saying is to have the veil removed by receiving Jesus as their Messiah thru repentance. Once the veil is removed, the Glory of God enters their heart/mind for the first time and they now can move about in the power of the Holy Spirit and the Glory of Jesus the Son of the Father.

 

[Chopper]

And when will the context of the written word ever change so that you might believe it is then acceptable to call him your husband?

I will remain His bond servant until He calls me home. At some later date, there will be a marriage ceremony which will unite the Bride of which I am a part by the Grace of God, and I no longer will be a Bride and He the Groom, He then will be my husband for all eternity....Are you saying that I should cease being His servant? And He my Master in this time frame? Some call it a dispensation....What happened that you think that Jesus is my Husband?

 

[Chopper]

Tell me Chopper, is the following scripture still for the future, or is it past?

Jeremiah 23-5-8
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, the Lord our Righteousness. Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that they shall no more say, The Lord liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; But, The Lord liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

The answer to your question is in the words of the Prophet. "a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely." I know no other time that this prophesy will be fulfilled except in the 1,000 year reign of King Jesus which is a prelude to the promised New Jerusalem.

 

[ezrider]

The answer to your question is in the words of the Prophet. "a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely." I know no other time that this prophesy will be fulfilled except in the 1,000 year reign of King Jesus which is a prelude to the promised New Jerusalem.

So what I hear you telling me then is that Jesus never came, because the Lord has not yet raised unto David a Righteous Branch. Is that what you are trying to say? Are you denying that Jesus came?

If not, perhaps you should reconsider your position.

 

[ezrider]

I will remain His bond servant until He calls me home. At some later date, there will be a marriage ceremony which will unite the Bride of which I am a part by the Grace of God, and I no longer will be a Bride and He the Groom, He then will be my husband for all eternity....Are you saying that I should cease being His servant? And He my Master in this time frame? Some call it a dispensation....What happened that you think that Jesus is my Husband?

He has been calling you home. He is calling you home. He continues to call you home.

The question is, when do you answer that call?

He has called you into His Rest. He has asked you to cease from your own labors so that you might then be able to WATCH HIS WORK IN YOU.

 

[Chopper]

So what I hear you telling me then is that Jesus never came, because the Lord has not yet raised unto David a Righteous Branch. Is that what you are trying to say? Are you denying that Jesus came?

If not, perhaps you should reconsider your position.

What I answered was a prophesy about a future time. In order for that to have happened, Jesus would have had to come, be murdered and to rise again. Hmmm, I detect a problem here.

 

[Chopper]

So what I hear you telling me then is that Jesus never came, because the Lord has not yet raised unto David a Righteous Branch. Is that what you are trying to say? Are you denying that Jesus came?

If not, perhaps you should reconsider your position.

What I answered was a prophesy about a future time. In order for that to have happened, Jesus would have had to come, be murdered and to rise again. Hmmm, I detect a problem here.

He has been calling you home. He is calling you home. He continues to call you home.

The question is, when do you answer that call?

He has called you into His Rest. He has asked you to cease from your own labors so that you might then be able to WATCH HIS WORK IN YOU.

I'm sorry old friend, I don't get it.

 

[ezrider]

Hmmm, I detect a problem here.

Can you elaborate?

 

[smaller]

What I answered was a prophesy about a future time. In order for that to have happened, Jesus would have had to come, be murdered and to rise again. Hmmm, I detect a problem here.

Did Jesus EVER really leave?

Hebrews 13:5
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Colossians 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

The Spirit of Christ is ALREADY in His Temple components, and continues to add and adding the remaining parts. When that part of His Work is done, THEN there will be a final Assembly.

Hebrews 11:40
God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

 

[Chopper]

Did Jesus EVER really leave?

Hebrews 13:5
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Colossians 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

The Spirit of Christ is ALREADY in His Temple components, and continues to add and adding the remaining parts. When that part of His Work is done, THEN there will be a final Assembly.

Hebrews 11:40
God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

You ask "Did Jesus EVER really leave?" Yes Smaller, Jesus did leave but sent His Spirit Who is "Christ in you".