Bible Study The Vail of Christ

[ezrider]

I must apologize as well because for some reason I'm not getting position clear. I can visualize my position but can't explain it....What I see as future is the ceremony.

And what is that ceremony supposed to look like? Perhaps the revelation of a living City?
Perhaps it may yet be for a future time. Perhaps the time is now. But I am reminded always of the words of Jesus: Take no thought for tomorrow. Therefore what is or maybe future does not concern me as much as knowing that which is before me today.


Have you considered that you yourself wear the Vail of Christ, as do I and all others that believe. Yes, we all wear the vail of Christ, and that is to say our flesh.

For you can not peer inside of my heart to see the city. You can not peer inside of my heart to see the Temple of the Lord, for when you look with your own eyes, you only but see the vail that still conceals the Temple of the Lord, and that vail is in my flesh. When you look with your own eyes upon another you can only see their death. You behold their weakness in the flesh, you see there sins, and you hope and pray for their redemption. And because of that vail of Christ that we too wear in our flesh, we argue and begin questioning each others salvation, we question their beliefs, and we divide ourselves from them because all we see is death in them, which is all that the flesh will ever reveal; our own death in sin.

But to know what is in the heart of another, we have been given the Grace and Mercy of the Lord that we might forgive one another their trespasses according to their deeds in the flesh and according to the law of sin and death, that we might perceive the Spirit with them. But when we glory in the sins of the flesh, we remain blinded to the Glory of the Lord that remains hidden within our hearts, and we tend to play the role of the accuser instead. But when we shall turn to Christ, then shall the vail be removed that we might hear what the Spirit saith in another, and not just what we behold in their flesh.

 

[Chopper]

To tell you the truth ez, I have lost the point of this discussion. I honestly don't know what you want.

 

[Chopper]

I see what you are saying ezrider. I would ask you to answer an important question for me. Before I can respond to any more of your posts, I need to know why God did not want Israel to know that the "letter of the Law" was only temporary and not a permanent Covenant.

 

[Sparkey]

ezrider

Earlier you had asked what prevents us from calling God Ishi (Husband) and no longer Baali (Lord).

Perhaps it is because we have not yet been brought to the place in Christ where we, as a group, need to be.

Therefore, behold, I will allure her, and bring her into the wilderness, and speak comfortably unto her.
And I will give her her vineyards from thence, and the valley of Achor for a door of hope: and she shall sing there, as in the days of her youth, and as in the day when she came up out of the land of Egypt.

There are so many intriguing things to look at (and hopefully catch a glimmer of understanding of) here.

• I will Allure her
• The Wilderness
• Speak Comfortably
• Vinyards
• The valley of Achor (for a door of hope)

Where to start, right?
It almost sounds like God will do something strange when we hear Him say, "I will allure her," doesn't it? He is God so of course there is no sin involved but it certainly sounds like something more than the normal level of persuasion is involved. ALLURE: "the quality of being powerfully and mysteriously attractive or fascinating." I've not yet experienced anything even remotely like this (except that I do hope to, if possible).

The question of the "Wilderness" is one that has fascinated me. It seems an all too apt description for being online. Trolls have overrun many places so much that there is no safe harbor. Land of milk and honey? Not here. Quite the opposite. Just try to cultivate a single plant in this, our garden. Wilderness. Enuf said.

Which brings us to "speak comfortably". Only in these, our last days, may such a thing be possible. Imagine the Holy Spirit apart from His duty and personification (pardon my improper use - it's difficult to use English to speak of God) of Comforter.

There then comes a mystery. We are familiar with the fruit of the earth, of the purpose of vineyards and have heard and understood that the Joy of the earth - the fruit, the wine (if you will) is also the flowing of the Holy Spirit in us. Something that the wise virgins make sure of. But the mystery that continues and remains is that valley.

Research has hinted that the Valley of Achor may symbolize a place of our shame. And if this is the case? Having such a place be given to us, as a door of hope? Who but God? Who but our, and I can't say, "husband" but who but our Betrothed could find and perform such an allurement?

It staggers me.

 

[ezrider]

I see what you are saying ezrider. I would ask you to answer an important question for me. Before I can respond to any more of your posts, I need to know why God did not want Israel to know that the "letter of the Law" was only temporary and not a permanent Covenant.

I didn't want you to think I was blowing off your question. I kind of got myself put on a 30 day time out, and since then I just haven't felt moved to respond until now.

You ask why did God not want Israel to know that the letter of the law was only temporary. I would answer for the same reason that God placed in the Garden of Eden the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and then gave a commandment to Adam not to eat of it.
The letter of the law is like the tree of knowledge, the knowledge of sin and death, the knowledge of good and evil. The letter of the law keeps the way of the tree of Life, and keeps them from fellowship with the Spirit of the Lord. For the letter killeth, but the Spirit gives life
(2 Cor 3:6).

The Just shall Live by Faith; not according to knowledge.

 

[smaller]

ezrider

• The valley of Achor (for a door of hope)

Where to start, right?
It almost sounds like God will do something strange when we hear Him say, "I will allure her," doesn't it? He is God so of course there is no sin involved but it certainly sounds like something more than the normal level of persuasion is involved.
It staggers me.

Haven't seen Sparrowhawke for a bit. Hope you're OK. Just picked up this post and thought to make some scriptural and "real life" commentary re: the valley of Achor and God's Desires. (not ours necessarily)

The "meaning" of the word Achor is: trouble/disturbance

From the real life commentary, having "experienced" this trouble, vividly so, I feel free to share to a certain extent.

I don't know about anyone else, BUT, when I have experienced "trouble/disturbance" it has always been greatly unsettling, yes disturbing. Stuff that made me wail. When I was a younger man, I was engaged in farming. I had spent my life somewhat in farming, but a lot of time in the construction biz, and back in the late 70's when prime rates hit 21% the construction industry failed. There simply was no work to be had. There was what's called a "recession" but if you were in that industry it was a "depression." You call a recession when you still have work. If you are out of work, it's a depression.

I had a wife and 5 kids to feed. So, needless to say, I was disturbed. Tried to switch into something else, farming, and took on a great deal of debt to do so. My first year in "farming" which included dairy, the place where I lived got hit with a drought. I not only didn't make a penny, but went backwards, bigtime. I was more than a little discouraged. Low, low, was the feeling. Hopeless. It was on the ground of hopelessness that God in Christ reached me, and I had a "born again" experience. Classic in many ways.

So, yeah, Valley of Achor for sure. That was where I met God in Christ. I thought from that point that God was on my side, and would bless me. I worked very hard to eliminate any and every sin I could think of in my life, as I felt so clean after the experience. And I worked incessantly, 7 days a week, often 16-20 hour days. The second year the area I lived in got hit with another drought. That had never happened prior. And it basically crushed me. Before it was all over I was staring at a several hundred thousand dollar debt, which in early 80's terms was massive. Way beyond what I ever thought could be paid. I remember being on my knees, in a field, crying. Asking God why is this happening to me?! I was trying so hard to make things work. Crushed and in despair can not even come close to what I felt. Before it was all over, I was reduced to just getting up in the morning and struggling to put one foot in front of another. I could not see anything.

To short story this event, I was forced to go out on the road and seek work, just to feed my family. I was a horrific experience. I literally 'begged' my way into a job. Slept in my car when it was 40 below zero. Counted my pennies to see if I could make it, just another day. I was reduced to nothing. I still get "disturbed" just thinking about it. That black place in my soul. I remember working a night shift in the job I had. It was 30 below zero. I was soaking wet, froze solid, the wind was howling with 40 mile an hour gusts. 2 a.m. I looked up at the moon, and said in my mind,
"this is HELL. Remember this moment, right here."

There was no way my life was going to "resolve."

20 years later, after clawing and scraping in the above manor, I found myself in another state, sitting at the top of a huge construction company, and was making almost a million bucks a year at my zenith. Paid off all the farm debt, put the kids through college, took care of my parents financially.

Never thought that would ever happen. I could not see what was ahead of me at the time. But I'd like to say that God did come through for me in ways that I would have never thought were even possible.

And THEN, after all of this. After I thought I had "received" my blessings from God in Christ, a long step down began to happen AGAIN. This time however, God "told" me it was coming. I knew, almost step by step, in advance, that I would be again dismantled. This time I knew it was God, fighting me, and I knew WHY, and how it would happen. I became an ally in my own destruction. And I went passively into my long goodnight. And, we returned to the Valley of Achor. That dark Valley of 'disturbances' and 'trouble.'

I have learned some things along the way. Deep and dark treasures of Christ that I would not trade for all the world. I know things today about God in Christ that most don't want to know, but these things I TREASURE, because these things have brought me to understand this and only this:

GOD DESIRES TO HAVE MERCY.

And He will PUT AND PLACE His own in the Valley of Despair, to Demonstrate His Mercy.

And so, Mr. Sparrowhawke, today, I am like a little bird in God's Hand. Rather helpless. But I do know God's Profound Mercy. And the place where it is found, in that Valley of Achor. I wouldn't wish various things that happened to me on anyone else. It has been both extremely joyful at times, and likewise extremely sad and painful and frighteningly awful. And, I am often reminded of how God's Trees of Righteousness grow. They take root DOWNWARD, in the darkness of this earth, where God DUNGs their roots.

From that planting, comes fruit, upward.

2 Kings 19:30
And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall yet again take root downward, and bear fruit upward.

Isaiah 37:31
And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward:

Luke 13:
7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

Having this done to me a couple times now, I KNOW what I'm talking about. What I share is "deadly" serious. When it appears that God in Christ is your worst enemy, and the FEAR of God rips through every fiber of your being,

THEN He is actually your closest friend and ally. When we are reduced to nothing, He is everything. It is upon this ground, that DIVINE MERCY comes, and grows upon our vine.

Believers do not and will not "like" what I have to say about the darkness and the dung. They reject these things. I am not a bastard son, and know God's disciplines and chastisements. They are not fun.

His Mercy is HIDDEN in the darkness, where NONE dare to look. It is there, that He has placed His Treasures and His Power.

Isaiah 45:3
And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

 

[Chopper]

Thank you for sharing your story, it means a lot to me just to know that others struggle as I have and do. My struggle is with my health over the past 40 years. Most of the time, my love for our God and my devotion to Jesus Christ is the most important aspect of my waking moments. The daily pain and struggle leaves me with a veil of my understanding of why this servant of Jesus has to suffer so much each day. I have not mentioned the stroke, heart attack, replaced hips, two failed spine surgeries, and so on, I've complained enough.

Over the years, Jesus has used me in the realm of healing others. There has been times when I heard the still small voice telling me who to pray for healing and how to do it and every time the person was supernaturally healed. Me? I have pleaded on bowed knee to heal me, even claiming God's promises. Nothing! If I knew why, that would help but no answer.

At 75 years of age, I'm ready to go home. I suppose, home will be such a delight to someone like me who has suffered in this life. I just wish that this veil would lift and I could understand that famous saying, "Why Me?"

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Have you considered that you yourself wear the Vail of Christ, as do I and all others that believe. Yes, we all wear the vail of Christ, and that is to say our flesh.

"17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory" (2 Corinthians 3:17 NIV)

You ask why did God not want Israel to know that the letter of the law was only temporary.

He told them long ago through the Prophet that the present covenant would be replaced with a new one:

31“Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt" (Jeremiah 31:31-32 NASB)

The letter of the law is like the tree of knowledge, the knowledge of sin and death, the knowledge of good and evil.

The COMMANDMENT 'do not eat' is what represents the law in the account of Adam and Eve--the law through which men die. The breaking of the commandment is what slays men, not the commandment itself:

"7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “YOU SHALL NOT COVET.”" (Romans 7:7 NASB)

The eating from the tree does not represent the law. The eating of the tree represents the sin that the command forbade. The law is (obviously) represented in the giving of the command 'do not eat'. Disobedience to the law is the sin. And that is (obviously) represented in the eating of the tree. The law is only the commandment through which death by sin comes:

"8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; 10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me." (Romans 7:8-11 NASB)

Paul's conclusion about the law?

"12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good." (Romans 7:12 NASB)

It is sin that Paul condemns, not the law. The eating of the tree (doing what the law forbade) is what kills, not the law itself:

"13 Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin" (Romans 7:13 NASB bold mine)

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Over the years, Jesus has used me in the realm of healing others. There has been times when I heard the still small voice telling me who to pray for healing and how to do it and every time the person was supernaturally healed. Me? I have pleaded on bowed knee to heal me, even claiming God's promises. Nothing! If I knew why, that would help but no answer.

At 75 years of age, I'm ready to go home. I suppose, home will be such a delight to someone like me who has suffered in this life.

Although I'm younger and don't have near the same ministerial calling and empowering you do, I have a similar experience. I fell on my back in 1987 and have spent all these years since in varying degrees of pain and lack of mobility, and the fear of not knowing if I'll be able to take care of all the physical things in my life that I do (fixing the car, leaky faucets, etc). I have other issues too that I don't want to share here that have brought me to the same place of despair you are at.

I hate this life and I want to go home. But in these last couple of years I realized that is exactly what God wanted me to get out of all these troubles. He has made sure I do not fall in love with this place, and instead live for and long for a 'better country'. And out of that longing comes the power of the gospel--power to pray for others, power to resist sin, power to encourage others. Power, if I exercise it, that will result in reward on the other side. True, lasting reward. Not the temporary rewards of this life. It doesn't look like it now, but God has my (and your) interests at heart. We will not be disappointed.

Be comforted and encouraged my dear brother.

 

[reba]

Thanks guys.... as small as it may seem a few posts like these makes being here seem worth while..

 

[ezrider]

Research has hinted that the Valley of Achor may symbolize a place of our shame. And if this is the case? Having such a place be given to us, as a door of hope? Who but God? Who but our, and I can't say, "husband" but who but our Betrothed could find and perform such an allurement?

I came across the Valley of Achor again in a different passage, but I have yet to see it symbolizing a place of our shame as a door of hope.
But rather the Door of our hope is that the Lord has turned from the fierceness of his wrath.

Joshua 7:26
And they raised over him a great heap of stones unto this day. So the Lord turned from the fierceness of his anger. Wherefore the name of that place was called, The valley of Achor, unto this day.

Hosea 2:14-20
Therefore, behold, I will allure her,
and bring her into the wilderness,
and speak comfortably unto her.
And I will give her her vineyards from thence,
and the valley of Achor for a door of hope:
and she shall sing there, as in the days of her youth,
and as in the day when she came up out of the land of Egypt.
And it shall be at that day, saith the Lord, that thou shalt call me Ishi;
and shalt call me no more Baali.
For I will take away the names of Baalim out of her mouth,
and they shall no more be remembered by their name.
And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field,
and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground:
and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth,
and will make them to lie down safely.
And I will betroth thee unto me for ever;
yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment,
and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.
I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness:
and thou shalt know the Lord.

John 10:7-9
Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

The valley of Achor, where the Lord turned from the fierceness of his anger.

 

[Sparkey]

Greetings, ezrider!

It is the place where Achan was executed for his sin. Start reading at verse 19 for your Joshua verse. Take that context with you as you continue.

It's easy to ask Mr. Google to show images of the valley so you can picture the wilderness. [Google Image Search] This place is a far cry from a vineyard or any pleasant thing. This is a desolate place, a place of barren waste. Yes, it is a place where His Anger burned with fierceness.

Yet, as we read in Hosea, it is also a place of promise. Can you imagine? Going to a place that is famous for one of your most intimate failings and watching as it is transformed, as you yourself, are transformed and there is no longer the shame of your barren unproductive land suitable only for snakes and other fearsome beasts -- watching as that part of you is changed? It is a place of hope, of promise.

Happy holidays to you, my friend. Your song of Joy shall be heard!

 

[ezrider]

Isaiah 51:1-3
Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the Lord:
look unto the rock whence ye are hewn,
and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
Look unto Abraham your father,
and unto Sarah that bare you:
for I called him alone,
and blessed him, and increased him.
For the Lord shall comfort Zion:
he will comfort all her waste places;
and he will make her wilderness like Eden,
and her desert like the garden of the Lord;
joy and gladness shall be found therein,
thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.

 

[Chopper]

Thank you my good friend ez. I'm studying Isaiah presently as my Old Covenant reading and I like what followed in your Scripture.

Isa 51:5 My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.

Isa 51:6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

Isa 51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.

Isa 51:8 For the moth shall eat them up like a garment, and the worm shall eat them like wool: but my righteousness shall be for ever, and my salvation from generation to generation.

 

[ezrider]

Isaiah 30:1
Woe to the rebellious children, saith the Lord,
that take counsel, but not of me;
and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit,
that they may add sin to sin.

1 Corinthians 15:54-57
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Isaiah 25:6-8
And in this mountain shall the Lord of hosts make unto all people
a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees,
of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
And he will destroy in this mountain
the face of the covering cast over all people,
and the vail that is spread over all nations.
He will swallow up death in victory;
and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces;
and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth:
for the Lord hath spoken it.

Isaiah 54:5-10
For thy Maker is thine husband;
the Lord of hosts is his name;
and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
For the Lord hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit,
and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
For a small moment have I forsaken thee;
but with great mercies will I gather thee.
In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment;
but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee,
saith the Lord thy Redeemer.
For this is as the waters of Noah unto me:
for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth;
so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
For the mountains shall depart,
and the hills be removed;
but my kindness shall not depart from thee,
neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed,
saith the Lord that hath mercy on thee.

 

[Jim Parker]

2 Corinthians 3:14
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.


In this study we shall take a closer look at the vail that was done away in Christ, how that vail still remains upon the hearts of many even unto this day when it comes to reading the old testament, and in part the new as well, as well as what the vail keeps them blinded from seeing.
....................
2 Corinthians 3:12-16
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

That's "VEIL" (A covering, a shroud, a curtain) not "VALE" (a valley).

Paul is referring to the temporary, partial, blindness of Israel to the Gospel which will continue until the full number of the Gentiles come in, at which time all Israel will be saved. (Ro 11:25-26)

iakov the fool

 

[Chopper]

This is a favorite topic of yours I perceive. I want to post your OP verse and make a note....
2 Corinthians 3:12-16
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

I don't have that vail on my understanding because it's taken away from me in Christ Jesus. The vail that you're speaking about deals with ONLY Israel.

 

[Jim Parker]

I don't have that vail on my understanding because it's taken away from me in Christ Jesus. The vail that you're speaking about deals with ONLY Israel.

AMEN.
The Holy Spirit removes the veil.
Of course, denominations try to put their veils and blinders back on, but the Holy Spirit is able to deal with those just as easily as the other.
iakov

 

[Chopper]

AMEN.
The Holy Spirit removes the veil.
Of course, denominations try to put their veils and blinders back on, but the Holy Spirit is able to deal with those just as easily as the other.
iakov

Thank you Jim, you're absolutely right. Our relationship with Jesus the Son of God brings us into a new dimension of understanding, knowledge and the wisdom of the Holy Spirit.

 

[ezrider]

This is a favorite topic of yours I perceive. I want to post your OP verse and make a note....
2 Corinthians 3:12-16
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

I don't have that vail on my understanding because it's taken away from me in Christ Jesus. The vail that you're speaking about deals with ONLY Israel.

It is not necessarily a favorite topic of mine, but I am not tip toeing through the TULIPs nor am I debating OSAS. What I am trying to do is talk about something different. Yet it seem you have made up your mind that this scripture concerning the veil was ONLY for Israel. Well for that matter, I might ask you why you think you need salvation through Jesus Christ? After all, His blood sacrifice was to save those that were under the Law, and the Law was given ONLY to Israel. Now I suppose a quick retort to that might result with a comment to the effect that the Law was brought forth for all, not just Israel, in which case I would conclude that the veil continues to this day.

Which leads me to ask this. Earlier in this thread I asked you about a scripture and asked if you thought it to be past or future. You leaned toward the future, as the tense presented in the scripture declared "in that day." And you felt that day had not yet come. Why when you hear the words "in that day" is the expectation of something future, but when it says "even unto this day" it has already past?

The answer to your question is in the words of the Prophet. "a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely." I know no other time that this prophesy will be fulfilled except in the 1,000 year reign of King Jesus which is a prelude to the promised New Jerusalem.

So what I hear you telling me then is that Jesus never came, because the Lord has not yet raised unto David a Righteous Branch. Is that what you are trying to say? Are you denying that Jesus came?

What I answered was a prophesy about a future time. In order for that to have happened, Jesus would have had to come, be murdered and to rise again. Hmmm, I detect a problem here.