Douglas Summers
Member
- Jun 1, 2015
- 2,515
- 754
I already said that. (Gal. 5:16-18)
-
-
Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
-
-
-
-
Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
-
Bible Study The Work of God: Terminal Agitation Ending in Silence
- Thread starter smaller
- Start date
smaller
Member
- Oct 23, 2003
- 12,380
- 664
- Thread starter
- #442
Jesus said every Word of God applies to us. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4. Therefore Mark 4:15 applies to us.
Simple logic 101.
IF you can't figure this one out we're probably spinning wheels from that point because you can't accept/believe Matt. 4:4 and Luke 4:4 as baseline facts.
smaller
Member
- Oct 23, 2003
- 12,380
- 664
- Thread starter
- #443
Paul deployed the term "thorn" as an expression of the very REAL messenger of Satan in his flesh. This term is also deployed in the O.T. as an expression of Satan (and/or his messengers.)
We've covered this at length before. You didn't understand it then and it's unlikely to change.
Isaiah 27:
1 In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.
2 In that day sing ye unto her, A vineyard of red wine.
3 I the Lord do keep it; I will water it every moment: lest any hurt it, I will keep it night and day.
4 Fury is not in me: who would set the briers and thorns against me in battle? I would go through them, I would burn them together.
There is an extensive set of scriptures for these matters. But if believers have no interests in the language of God, they won't EVER get it. Not in this life anyway.
smaller
Member
- Oct 23, 2003
- 12,380
- 664
- Thread starter
- #444
Jesus explained to us a principle, an understanding about not only how we operate, internally, but how everyone operates internally. It's an explanation of how EVIL PRESENT with us actually works. Romans 7:21.
Mark 4:15 is the opening fact. That where the Word is sown, Satan comes to "steal" Word from the heart.
We can take just about any Word, but the law, specifically, is Satan's favorite bait.
Paul gives us a personal example of how this worked in him, in Romans 7.
The law that said do not covet caused every manner of concupiscent thoughts to transpire in Paul's mind. And Paul very pointedly hammers this fact as an operation of sin dwelling in his flesh. Sin is OF THE DEVIL. And sin is EVIL.
This is a very simple lesson. But if we reject the lesson, personally applied, we remain blinded on the subject matter and that blindness is CAUSED by the operations of the devil in the mind of the person, STEALING Paul's words of fact from their own minds and causing them to DENY DENY DENY. It's not the believer speaking. It's the resistance movement, the adversary.
Everyone who resists these scriptural facts are showing a "NO MORE I" that is dominating over them, in their own flesh.
And many of the forms of denial have been covered at length in this thread, both by specific patterns that are given in the scriptures as to how these spirits of disobedience operate, but also by many personal examples.
Mark 4:15 is the opening fact. That where the Word is sown, Satan comes to "steal" Word from the heart.
We can take just about any Word, but the law, specifically, is Satan's favorite bait.
Paul gives us a personal example of how this worked in him, in Romans 7.
The law that said do not covet caused every manner of concupiscent thoughts to transpire in Paul's mind. And Paul very pointedly hammers this fact as an operation of sin dwelling in his flesh. Sin is OF THE DEVIL. And sin is EVIL.
This is a very simple lesson. But if we reject the lesson, personally applied, we remain blinded on the subject matter and that blindness is CAUSED by the operations of the devil in the mind of the person, STEALING Paul's words of fact from their own minds and causing them to DENY DENY DENY. It's not the believer speaking. It's the resistance movement, the adversary.
Everyone who resists these scriptural facts are showing a "NO MORE I" that is dominating over them, in their own flesh.
And many of the forms of denial have been covered at length in this thread, both by specific patterns that are given in the scriptures as to how these spirits of disobedience operate, but also by many personal examples.
- Jul 13, 2012
- 38,530
- 8,080
I agree 100% that Paul used the idiomatic term to refer to a messenger of Satan... to buffet him.
You have replaced what the scripture actually say's which is - a messenger of Satan to buffet me, to your own words which say...
Satan in my flesh.
Scripture says - a Messenger of Satan to buffet me.
Smaller says - Satan in my flesh.
Why would you replace what the scripture says with your own words of opinion?
JLB
- Jul 13, 2012
- 38,530
- 8,080
Everyone who changes the word of God, and replaces it with their own opinion, so that they are teaching what is unscriptural and unbiblical, are not teaching the truth.
Please show me the scripture that teaches us, Satan can steal the Gospel Message from the hearts of Believers.
JLB
smaller
Member
- Oct 23, 2003
- 12,380
- 664
- Thread starter
- #447
You can spin Paul's words however you please.
I read flat out, Paul's own words, that in his flesh there was a messenger of Satan. 2 Cor. 12:7. You read that same scripture and outright DENY those words are even there.
Spin from there as you please. It was a REAL messenger of Satan in Paul's flesh.
Idioms won't make that fact go away and Satan and his messengers are
NOT IDIOMS, but REAL ENTITIES.
smaller
Member
- Oct 23, 2003
- 12,380
- 664
- Thread starter
- #448
All have sinned. All have sin. All see only in part and as through a glass darkly. All have works of darkness to cast off. Satan can and does beguile the MINDS of believers just as Satan beguiled the MIND of Eve.
Sin is of the devil.
You should know every one of the scriptures above, by heart.
And if you do not, then SATAN has stolen the Word from YOU.
- Jul 13, 2012
- 38,530
- 8,080
This is what the scripture says.
... for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23
and again
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned. Romans 5:12
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
Romans 5:9-10
We have been justified by His blood, and are no longer enemies and sinners.
JLB
- Jul 13, 2012
- 38,530
- 8,080
Please show the scripture that says this.
1 John 3:8 says - He who sins is of the devil...
This scriptures clearly teaches us it is the person who sins that is of the devil, and not the devil doing the sinning from within us.
Not.... sin is of the devil, but He who sins is of the devil.
You have a track record of changing scripture to suit your needs, and this is the mark of a false teacher.
Every time you attempt to do this I will expose your ungodly practice.
Please repent of this, and teach people what is right and true, from the actual language from the scriptures, and not a mixture of your opinion, and scripture.
JLB
Last edited:
smaller
Member
- Oct 23, 2003
- 12,380
- 664
- Thread starter
- #451
In your mind the citing you use with the word sins instead of sin in the KJV makes some colossal difference. Here's a hint. Sins plural and singular are irrelevant to the fact that sin/sins are OF THE DEVIL. 1 John 3:8
Citing the KJV, which I do the majority of the time because of common use and deployment doesn't make ME changing scripture.
The only weird part is how you read.
IF this were a discussion of heresies, which it's not, I'm pretty sure your list would surpass most posters at this site, first and foremost God being the Father of Satan and Jesus' evil twin brother in JLB's world. I'm surprised the mods even let you post quite frankly. That one is out in left field heresy lala land that belongs with Mormonism.
It's no wonder you rant at hard line scriptural facts with that nonsense in your head.
Last edited:
- Jul 13, 2012
- 38,530
- 8,080
Again you misquote the verse.
The verse does not say sin is of the devil, whether in KJV or NKJV.
He that committeth sin is of the devil.
This scriptures clearly teaches us it is the person who commits sin that is of the devil, and not the devil doing the sinning from within us.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8
He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8
You are committed to teaching what is false, by misquoting the scriptures.
Please teach what the scriptures actual say.
Paul said we have sin that dwells in our flesh.
20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. Romans 7:20
Paul did not say we have Satan who dwells in our flesh.
Mark 4:15 refers to the Gospel message that Satan was able to steal from unbelievers, whose heart was hardened, like a well worn path, in which the seed was not able to penetrate their heart.
13 And He said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables? 14 The sower sows the word. 15 And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts. 16 These likewise are the ones sown on stony ground who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with gladness;17 and they have no root in themselves, and so endure only for a time. Afterward, when tribulation or persecution arises for the word’s sake, immediately they stumble. 18 Now these are the ones sown among thorns; they are the ones who hear the word, 19 and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. 20 But these are the ones sown on good ground, those who hear the word, accept it, and bear fruit: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred.” Mark 4:13-20
Satan was unable to steal the seed, the Gospel message, from the rest of the examples.
Please show us a scripture whereby Satan is able to steal the Gospel message from believers.
JLB
smaller
Member
- Oct 23, 2003
- 12,380
- 664
- Thread starter
- #453
You know JLB, your claims are entirely off the wall:
1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
In this thread you have claimed that Paul was not a sinner, where Paul claimed the exact opposite in 1 Tim. 1:15. You claimed that Paul did not have a messenger of Satan in his flesh when Paul claimed the exact thing in 2 Cor. 12:7, and then there is the above nonsense.
Seriously, your claims are simply not credible. I don't know why you even bother to defame your credibility, because you HAVE NONE when pulling the above stunts.
Well, you just keep talking in circles and chase your tail JLB. In one breath you claim it's not there and in the next breath you affirm it is.
Stop wasting your time. "As it is written" is not moving. How you hear is an entirely different matter altogether.
I hear "sin is of the devil." That isn't changing.
- Jul 13, 2012
- 38,530
- 8,080
Changing the subject, won't help you but only show's just how deceitful you really are, but twisting what I said, and misquoting me, which is the mark of a false teacher.
Please present the post # and quote where I have said this.
I have plainly stated that God is the Father of all spirit's, and is their creator.
Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? Hebrews 12:9
and again
“You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you. Ezekiel 28:14-15
Lucifer is a spirit, and was created by God.
If you believe he was created by someone else, please post the scripture, that shows us Lucifer was created by someone other than God, through the Lord Jesus Christ.
JLB
- Jul 13, 2012
- 38,530
- 8,080
Those who read what the context says, can plainly see Paul was referring to his past life, as one who persecuted the Church.
12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord who has enabled me, because He counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry, 13 although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. 14 And the grace of our Lord was exceedingly abundant, with faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. 16 However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life. 1 Timothy 1:15
Paul claimed he was saved, but was the chief of those sinners that Christ came to save.
If you believe that being saved means you are a sinner, who practices unrighteousness, then please show us a scripture that teaches this nonsense.
A saved person is someone who has believed and obeyed the Gospel to repent.
If you believe Paul continued his former conduct of being a a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man, then please post the scriptures that show us this behavior continued in the life of Paul the Apostle.
Paul walk by the no more I crucified life of Jesus Christ, in which he did not fulfill the lust's of the flesh, because he learned to crucify the flesh.
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:16-18
JLB
- Jul 13, 2012
- 38,530
- 8,080
Yes, He that committeth sin, is of the devil.
This plainly refers to the person who commits sin... is of the devil.
If you believe this does not refer to the person them self, is the one who commits the sin, then just who does commit the sin?
JLB
smaller
Member
- Oct 23, 2003
- 12,380
- 664
- Thread starter
- #457
JLB: "The verse does not say sin is of the devil, whether in KJV or NKJV."
JLB: "He that committeth sin is of the devil."
View attachment 11169
- Jul 13, 2012
- 38,530
- 8,080
Yes, he that committeth sin is of the devil.
This plainly refers to the person who commits sin... is of the devil.
If you believe this does not refer to the person them self, is the one who commits the sin, then just who does commit the sin?
JLB
smaller
Member
- Oct 23, 2003
- 12,380
- 664
- Thread starter
- #459
Did Paul commit sin, post salvation? What Paul is "splainin' here JLB is how indwelling sin/evil present works in adverse relationship with the LAW. This adverse relationship with indwelling sin and evil present does not CHANGE after salvation. IT STILL EXISTS as Paul shows us, below:
Romans 7:
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Romans 7:
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
I Do, not "did."
Romans 7:
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
I Do, not "did."
And Paul makes in the above, a very simple discovery than anyone can make for themselves, personally:
Romans 7:
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
And this same fact God Himself put to the people of Israel as well:
Deuteronomy 30:15
See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
God did this PRECISELY so that there would be NO OTHER PLACE TO STAND other than ON HIS GRACE and MERCY in Christ, ALONE.
There is no other place to stand.
Whatever theological legs we think we have, in and of ourselves were quite solidly BOOTED ASIDE by Paul. Even for his own self.
- Jul 13, 2012
- 38,530
- 8,080
So who commits the sin?
Yes, he that committeth sin is of the devil.
This plainly refers to the person who commits sin... is of the devil.
If you believe this does not refer to the person them self, is the one who commits the sin, then just who does commit the sin?
Like wise who commits the righteousness?
He who practices righteousness is righteous...
He who sins is of the devil...
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
1 John 3:7-8
JLB