Three person God identified in the Bible?

[Randy]

Did they, it must have been the way they said it. By the way, there is an i in vain.

Perhaps they should have said it was the Holy Spirit who was in the body prepared for him?

I'm inclined to think that in the beginning it was the Holy Spirit who was the "Word" and it was the Holy Spirit in Mary and it was the Holy Spirit aka the Father who was in Jesus. See what you think. May God bless your meditations.
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Some think Jesus had a human spirit. I ask if He had a human body and a human Spirit what part of Him was God? Then you need to put the boots on because it gets deep. The Father was living in Him. That is the Spirit of God without debate.

As Firstborn Jesus has His own spirit. The Son who was, (His spirit), was in that body. "He" came down from heaven and "He" ascended too where "He" was before.
"Father into your hands I commit my spirit."

In the Jordan, the Fathers Spirit came down from above and "remained" on Jesus. The Son of Man was clothed with power from above. Jesus willed and the Spirit of God acted. “What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him!”

 

[Fastfredy0]

Actually, I think that The Angel of The LORD is sometimes God Himself.

Assume you mean God the Father.

But then the bush speaks to Moses and it certainly seems to me that it is God Father, Yahweh, speaking to Moses and not the 2nd Person.

Maybe, I've been told it was God the Son. Not a big deal, but I would like to know which one.... or maybe it's all three at once. Beats me.

Perhaps the writers in the OT made some mistakes as everything had to be hand-written and notes were made that might have been picked up as scripture and other mistakes. (this happened for sure in the NT).

Ouch ... I am of the conviction that God safe-guards His word ... but I have to admit there are minor differences.

I don't dwell too much on what is not certain.

Agreed, just a curiosity for me. Everyone almost says THE ANGEL OF THE LORD is the 2nd person...I am curious to be shown proof.

 

[Fastfredy0]

Some think Jesus had a human spirit.

Jesus must have a human spirit
Permise 1: knowledge is part of a spirit
Permise 2: part of Christ's spirit didn't know when He was coming back, got tired and emotional
Permise 3: God is Spirit, all knowing and immutable
Conclusion: Must be 2 spirits as one spirit of Christ didn't know something and another part knew all things. A spirit that does not know all things does not have the characteristics God's spirit.

I ask if He had a human body and a human Spirit what part of Him was God?

... by definition all of Christ is God ... Is every part of Christ God
hmmm ... God is Spirit and invisible and immutable and all knowing and never tires ...the body of Christ is visible, changes, does not know everything, gets weary ...
Definitely parts of Christ are not of the nature of God... ... using human reasoning I would says parts of Christ are not God ... but God may declare all parts of Christ to be God by definition, though human are imperfect and creation is imperfect as all things that change are imperfect .... God is transcendent, beats me

 

[Fastfredy0]

What about John 14:23? (besides Ephesians 3:16..)
See post 1520...

Yeah, I agree with Free in post 1520. I didn't want to repeat it. The question seems to be to be asking specifically for the word "DWELL" so I limited my answer as the word 'dwell' was not defined. For instance, I also thought of all the verses mentioning 'in Christ' or more of the Upper Room Discourse and verses about Christ working in us, or without Him we can do nothing.

 

[Annagrace]

Show me ONE place in the Bible where a three person God is identified without asking me to imagine an extraneous notion into the text.

It’s not mentioned in the Bible because it’s not a biblical concept, but a man-made one. The doctrine of the trinity should really just be viewed as mortal man’s attempt to comprehend an all-powerful, sovereign, and immortal God who could never be understood by mere mortal man apart from the Spirit.

 

[Randy]

Jesus must have a human spirit
Permise 1: knowledge is part of a spirit
Permise 2: part of Christ's spirit didn't know when He was coming back, got tired and emotional
Permise 3: God is Spirit, all knowing and immutable
Conclusion: Must be 2 spirits as one spirit of Christ didn't know something and another part knew all things. A spirit that does not know all things does not have the characteristics God's spirit.



... by definition all of Christ is God ... Is every part of Christ God
hmmm ... God is Spirit and invisible and immutable and all knowing and never tires ...the body of Christ is visible, changes, does not know everything, gets weary ...
Definitely parts of Christ are not of the nature of God... ... using human reasoning I would says parts of Christ are not God ... but God may declare all parts of Christ to be God by definition, though human are imperfect and creation is imperfect as all things that change are imperfect .... God is transcendent, beats me

The Father was living in Him so He had a library in Him in a manner of speaking.
I believe "Jesus" came down from heaven. If He had a human spirit "Jesus" didn't come down from heaven. What was added, Col 1:19, can be emptied or diminished in some manner but Jesus's spirit was in that body.

 

[Cooper]

Some think Jesus had a human spirit. I ask if He had a human body and a human Spirit what part of Him was God? Then you need to put the boots on because it gets deep. The Father was living in Him. That is the Spirit of God without debate.

As Firstborn Jesus has His own spirit. The Son who was, (His spirit), was in that body. "He" came down from heaven and "He" ascended too where "He" was before.
"Father into your hands I commit my spirit."

In the Jordan, the Fathers Spirit came down from above and "remained" on Jesus. The Son of Man was clothed with power from above. Jesus willed and the Spirit of God acted. “What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him!”

If you look back to the 'Word' at the beginning of creation and the development of God's plan and purpose unfolding to the present New Testament Day, as of now we learn that the Word was made visible, and people saw the glory of God manifest in Jesus. Quite simply, Jesus is Yahweh with us made visible in the flesh of Mary. He was both man and fully God with us. Man, and God with human emotions, who wept like us. Yet people deny the miracle of the incarnation by saying the Holy Spirit is not the Father, the Holy Spirit is not the Son, and on it goes, despite Jesus saying, "I and the Father are One. Christianity, broken into pieces, divided, and destroyed by the false teaching of the deceiver from the early Church to the present day.
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[GodsGrace]

If you look back to the 'Word' at the beginning of creation and the development of God's plan and purpose unfolding to the present New Testament Day, as of now we learn that the Word was made visible, and people saw the glory of God manifest in Jesus. Quite simply, Jesus is Yahweh with us made visible in the flesh of Mary. He was both man and fully God with us. Man, and God with human emotions, who wept like us. Yet people deny the miracle of the incarnation by saying the Holy Spirit is not the Father, the Holy Spirit is not the Son, and on it goes, despite Jesus saying, "I and the Father are One. Christianity, broken into pieces, divided, and destroyed by the false teaching of the deceiver from the early Church to the present day.
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Hi Cooper
Great post!
Good reply to the other member.
I just wish you'd let go of this IS NOT problem that you have. I think that if you give it some thought you'll come to accept the idea/doctrine.

 

[Cooper]

Hi Cooper
Great post!
Good reply to the other member.
I just wish you'd let go of this IS NOT the problem that you have. I think that if you give it some thought you'll come to accept the idea/doctrine.

God cannot be divided.
And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
Mark 3:23-26

Did Jesus say “I and the Father are not one?”
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[Randy]

If you look back to the 'Word' at the beginning of creation and the development of God's plan and purpose unfolding to the present New Testament Day, as of now we learn that the Word was made visible, and people saw the glory of God manifest in Jesus. Quite simply, Jesus is Yahweh with us made visible in the flesh of Mary. He was both man and fully God with us. Man, and God with human emotions, who wept like us. Yet people deny the miracle of the incarnation by saying the Holy Spirit is not the Father, the Holy Spirit is not the Son, and on it goes, despite Jesus saying, "I and the Father are One. Christianity, broken into pieces, divided, and destroyed by the false teaching of the deceiver from the early Church to the present day.
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The Father didn't be come flesh. The Holy Spirit is the "Fathers" Spirit. The Father is the only unbegotten God.
Jesus is the only begotten Son. He was given supremacy as He is before all things and is also the Firstborn from the dead. In Him it did please the fullness of God to dwell. If you see Him you see the Father. The very image of the invisible God. All of the Deity dwells in Him. But His spirit is the beginning of the creation of the Father. Everything else the Father made by Him, through Him, and for Him. The Son who was, His Spirit, was in the body prepared for Him. The Father was living IN Him doing His work.

Officially its stated. The Father unbegotten. The Son begotten of the Father before all worlds but not made. The only begotten Son. In regard to the Son I agree in part.

 

[JLB]

Jesus must have a human spirit
Permise 1: knowledge is part of a spirit
Permise 2: part of Christ's spirit didn't know when He was coming back, got tired and emotional
Permise 3: God is Spirit, all knowing and immutable
Conclusion: Must be 2 spirits as one spirit of Christ didn't know something and another part knew all things. A spirit that does not know all things does not have the characteristics God's spirit.



... by definition all of Christ is God ... Is every part of Christ God
hmmm ... God is Spirit and invisible and immutable and all knowing and never tires ...the body of Christ is visible, changes, does not know everything, gets weary ...
Definitely parts of Christ are not of the nature of God... ... using human reasoning I would says parts of Christ are not God ... but God may declare all parts of Christ to be God by definition, though human are imperfect and creation is imperfect as all things that change are imperfect .... God is transcendent, beats me

His Spirit is the Spirit of Christ.

The fullness of the Godhead dwelt in Him bodily.



JLB

 

[Randy]

If you look back to the 'Word' at the beginning of creation and the development of God's plan and purpose unfolding to the present New Testament Day, as of now we learn that the Word was made visible, and people saw the glory of God manifest in Jesus. Quite simply, Jesus is Yahweh with us made visible in the flesh of Mary. He was both man and fully God with us. Man, and God with human emotions, who wept like us. Yet people deny the miracle of the incarnation by saying the Holy Spirit is not the Father, the Holy Spirit is not the Son, and on it goes, despite Jesus saying, "I and the Father are One. Christianity, broken into pieces, divided, and destroyed by the false teaching of the deceiver from the early Church to the present day.
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I am not one who denies error. But Jesus is a being that existed with the Father in the beginning. I am not positive in what John's point is in calling Jesus the "Word". But I am positive it wasn't the Father that became flesh.

I have a clue in 1John where the same John now expands that description to the "word of life" and again who was "with" the Father in the beginning.

1John
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.

 

[Cooper]

The Father didn't be come flesh. The Holy Spirit is the "Fathers" Spirit. The Father is the only unbegotten God.
Jesus is the only begotten Son. He was given supremacy as He is before all things and is also the Firstborn from the dead. In Him it did please the fullness of God to dwell. If you see Him you see the Father. The very image of the invisible God. All of the Deity dwells in Him. But His spirit is the beginning of the creation of the Father. Everything else the Father made by Him, through Him, and for Him. The Son who was, His Spirit, was in the body prepared for Him. The Father was living IN Him doing His work.

Officially its stated. The Father unbegotten. The Son begotten of the Father before all worlds but not made. The only begotten Son. In regard to the Son I agree in part.

You say, "The Father didn't be come flesh."

The Bible tells us "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Verse 14 goes on to tell us, "the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The WORD (God) became flesh. His name on earth is Jesus (the Son.) They are ONE.

The diagram says the Father is NOT the Son.

To say "The Father "IS NOT" the Son wipes out the whole of Christianity.
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[Cooper]

Randy. I am ever so sorry. I have the wrong person. Please accept my apology.

You know who I had in mind.
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[Annagrace]

The Father didn't be come flesh. The Holy Spirit is the "Fathers" Spirit. The Father is the only unbegotten God.
Jesus is the only begotten Son. He was given supremacy as He is before all things and is also the Firstborn from the dead. In Him it did please the fullness of God to dwell. If you see Him you see the Father. The very image of the invisible God. All of the Deity dwells in Him. But His spirit is the beginning of the creation of the Father. Everything else the Father made by Him, through Him, and for Him. The Son who was, His Spirit, was in the body prepared for Him. The Father was living IN Him doing His work.

I am not one who denies error. But Jesus is a being that existed with the Father in the beginning. I am not positive in what John's point is in calling Jesus the "Word". But I am positive it wasn't the Father that became flesh.

I have a clue in 1John where the same John now expands that description to the "word of life" and again who was "with" the Father in the beginning.

1John
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.

Officially its stated. The Father unbegotten. The Son begotten of the Father before all worlds but not made. The only begotten Son. In regard to the Son I agree in part.

Christ Jesus was, in fact, God made manifest in the flesh; which is why He was conceived by not man but the Spirit.

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.”
John 1:14

“And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.”
1 John 5:20

The Father is Spirit, which is why those who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth.

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” John 8:58 - Who identified Himself with “I AM” in the Old Testament? In Exodus you can see where God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” There is only ONE “I am”.

Isaiah 9:6 - “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” - This was a prophesy of the coming Messiah, Christ Jesus. Of the names it says He will be called are Mighty God and Everlasting Father.

1 Corinthians 8:6 -
“Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.”

“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.”
Isaiah 44:6

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” - Revelation 1:8

 

[Randy]

Christ Jesus was, in fact, God made manifest in the flesh; which is why He was conceived by not man but the Spirit.

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.”
John 1:14

“And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.”
1 John 5:20

The Father is Spirit, which is why those who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth.

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” John 8:58 - Who identified Himself with “I AM” in the Old Testament? In Exodus you can see where God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” There is only ONE “I am”.

Isaiah 9:6 - “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” - This was a prophesy of the coming Messiah, Christ Jesus. Of the names it says He will be called are Mighty God and Everlasting Father.

1 Corinthians 8:6 -
“Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.”

“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.”
Isaiah 44:6

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” - Revelation 1:8

I have loved, believed in and prayed to "Jesus" as far back as my memory goes. Long before I ran into and had to consider the doctrine of the "trinity". I know "Him" and in knowing "Him" I know the "Father". I have the Spirit of Christ in me. The Spirit that proceeds from the "Father" and is sent in "Jesus's" name.

He is not the Father and a body was prepared for "Him" not the Father.

John 1 is cohesive with my beliefs about the Son as in the only begotten Son. Col 1:19 is from the will of another and did take place at a point in history. That other defined who Jesus is or His being. Its clear to me God was pleased to share "His" fullness with "His" firstborn. So in a manner of context Jesus is the "only" begotten "God" with "His" Father in the beginning.

John 17 I follow Him and "He" is the head of the body of Christ
“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Jesus calls the Father the only true God. If He always was and always was God how does this believe in one God? For Jesus states on the cross, "Father into your hands I commit my Spirit"

If Jesus always was how did He become the Son?

 

[Free]

Yet people deny the miracle of the incarnation by saying the Holy Spirit is not the Father, the Holy Spirit is not the Son,

No one is denying the incarnation at all. Your conclusion doesn’t follow.

and on it goes, despite Jesus saying, "I and the Father are One.

Which has a specific meaning. What it logically cannot mean is that they are one and the same person.

Christianity, broken into pieces, divided, and destroyed by the false teaching of the deceiver from the early Church to the present day.
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And yet, your belief about God’s oneness is about 100 years old. Sounds like further division, doesn’t it?

 

[Free]

You say, "The Father didn't be come flesh."

Of course he didn’t. I have shown that repeatedly and you have yet to address any of my rebuttals.

The Bible tells us "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

“With” is the key word you continually ignore.

Verse 14 goes on to tell us, "the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The WORD (God) became flesh. His name on earth is Jesus (the Son.) They are ONE.

The Word was God, yes, but the Word was not the Father, as John 1:1 shows.

The diagram says the Father is NOT the Son.

Because he isn’t.

To say "The Father "IS NOT" the Son wipes out the whole of Christianity.
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It absolutely does not do that. Again, your conclusion does’t follow.

 

[Annagrace]

Everything you believe about God being a “trinity” or “three in one” doesn’t come from the Bible (hence why it isn’t mentioned anywhere in scripture) but from ancient Babylon; which has been the capitol of Satan’s evil operations since ancient times.

After the flood, Babylon would come to be the center of the civilized world for the remainder of human history (read about the Tower of Babel depicted in Genesis). This is where we can find the birth of all the many forms of Paganism that exist today (many professing believers of our day partake in a wide range of pagan practices that they don’t even realize are, in fact, pagan practices). This debased counterfeit of the truth spread to all the ends of the earth when God, in response to the people’s blatant rebellion against Him, dispersed the people and confused their languages.

Unlike early Christianity, which worshipped
the one true God (the one who is and has always been, the Alpha and Omega beginning and the end) – The apostate Church readily adopted the “Trinity god” of Ancient Babylon.

“The trinity” got its start in Ancient Babylon
with Nimrod – Tammuz – and Semiramis.
Semiramis demanded worship for both her husband and her son as well as herself. She claimed that her son, was both the father and the son; he was to be both “god the father” and “god the son”

From ancient time Mystery Babylon has tried
to make God what he is not – a trinity.

 

[Free]

Everything you believe about God being a “trinity” or “three in one” doesn’t come from the Bible (hence why it isn’t mentioned anywhere in scripture) but from ancient Babylon; which has been the capitol of Satan’s evil operations since ancient times.

After the flood, Babylon would come to be the center of the civilized world for the remainder of human history (read about the Tower of Babel depicted in Genesis). This is where we can find the birth of all the many forms of Paganism that exist today (many professing believers of our day partake in a wide range of pagan practices that they don’t even realize are, in fact, pagan practices). This debased counterfeit of the truth spread to all the ends of the earth when God, in response to the people’s blatant rebellion against Him, dispersed the people and confused their languages.

Unlike early Christianity, which worshipped
the one true God (the one who is and has always been, the Alpha and Omega beginning and the end) – The apostate Church readily adopted the “Trinity god” of Ancient Babylon.

“The trinity” got its start in Ancient Babylon
with Nimrod – Tammuz – and Semiramis.
Semiramis demanded worship for both her husband and her son as well as herself. She claimed that her son, was both the father and the son; he was to be both “god the father” and “god the son”

From ancient time Mystery Babylon has tried
to make God what he is not – a trinity.

Do you believe in monotheism?