Deborah13
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We have a Baptist pastor on this forum who speaks in tongues.Baptists and tongues?.....
The Holy Spirit is non-denominational. :wink
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The Holy Spirit is non-denominational. :wink
not if its to himself and god. there is way one knows if its to be interpreted.
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Brother Mike
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No, scriptures does not mean that. I speak in tongues all the time.
Paul said when ye are gathered together in Church, NO TONGUES!!!!! it helps nobody, and if it's OK for Tongues, then let there be a known person God uses to interpet them so that others can be edified, otherwise, put a zip lock on it.
Tongues is called praying in spirit as Paul called it, but we just don't use it in service to interupt things. All things must be decent and in order.
We need to find one of the many other threads about this.
1 Corinthians 14:13 13 Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret.
What Paul said regarding tongues is powerful 1 Corinthians 14:19 19 yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.
You speak in tongues all the time?Life is full of choices.
context, read the whole chapter on that stuff, it says one can pray and also sing in tounges. I have never heard song of tounges interpreted.
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Brother Mike
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When you pray in tongues, you may also ask God for the interpetation for it. I use to all the time, but as years passed, I just say Lord, you know what I need to know.
I am not so impressed with Miracles and such as I used to be. I have learned that God helping someone to come up with bus fair is a great Miracle also as everyting God helps with. Breathing is a pretty amazing thing, considering God is upholding all things by the Word of His power.
We need to get back on track though here else the mods shut it down.
I am not so impressed with Miracles and such as I used to be. I have learned that God helping someone to come up with bus fair is a great Miracle also as everyting God helps with. Breathing is a pretty amazing thing, considering God is upholding all things by the Word of His power.
We need to get back on track though here else the mods shut it down.
You may never have heard it interpreted but God's word says it must be interpreted.
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Brother Mike
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My friend Nicole sang a song in tongues, I posted it on here awhile back.
I have only heard tongues interpeted by someone else a few times. My own by myself lots of times. Never a song though.
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Brother Mike
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1Co 14:5 kjva I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
The Chruch, The Chruch, The Chruch Kathi. All these instructions are for when we come together in the Church. Tonges does nobody any good if there is no understanding of them, so pray that He may interpet that the church be edified.
Make a habbit of starting with the whole chapter and read through.
Now if you go and pray in tongues for 3 hours then 2 more hours, that is a whole lot of information you need from God and it's just not possible to interpet everyting you speak in tongues (AT HOME)
When In Church, keep silent unless there is one to interpet or you do so that others my be edified.
You don't hear tongues in my Church, we don't run into that issue. Hear it often that is.
Kathy, I have spoken in prayer languages and interpreted. sung as well. I still attend a pentacostal church. been one for years with a break.
context is here
verse 2.
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Brother Mike
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Amen, I tend to forget a portion of our Brothers and Sisters have yet to be taught about the Holy Spirit and the gifts. One reason I hang around here, to hear a different drum beat.
We should get back to the topic though.
Job:
A man that feared God, had nice kids, lots of stuff, until the devil comes and wipes it all out.Job appeared to have done nothing wrong to deserve this treatment. It just happened to him.
Does God just do things that are cruel like giving the devil permission to murder Job's kids?
Or is Job to blame, but ignorant of what He did wrong?
Is Job more a lesson of what not to do when things go bad? Job never asked God for help, Not one time. Job based his Getting help because of his own righteousness, God had done him wrong Job claimed as Job claimed to be spotless and without fault.
Do bad things just happen to good people on the whim of God?
Or
Are we the cause of these things?
satan challenged god and god allowed satan to do what was allowed. satan always has been under God control. satan didn't and could NEVER dethrone the Lord. I can go into the teaching of when satan was cast out and point out that means his days of controlling the gentiles as he pleased was over. God let him have them and at the cross it was game over for that.
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Brother Mike
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Good point, Jesus defeated the devil, took the keys of hell and death away from him. Satan certainly does not have the ability to just do as He pleases the moment someone steps outside of God's law.
You said Satan was allowed to do what he was allowed to do. Almost sounds like God knew the devil had a right to get to Job and was not going to pervert his Word and stop the devil from getting him.
The conversation between them is sort of strange. The devil says, You hurt him God, you do it. God said pay attention stupid, He is in your power. (Mikes versions)
Do we get comfort for the fact Jesus striped the devil of his ability so we won't have to be in Job's shoes, or do we see something Job may have did wrong and not do those things?
Edward
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Yep. That's pretty much what I said. i do not believe that He causes everything to happen. We do most of our lives of our own volition and free will. God merely avails Himself of the situation if He is asked to help. Prayers cause a lot of things to happen. But! That's after our free will is applied.
the devil wasn't stripped of any power of any saint that god didn't allow from time to time.
there is the jewish version of healings by the tzaddik. while I don't buy all that they say about them but its interesting they mention moses, Elijah and Elisha and others that did miracles and signs.to assume that the ancient jews didn't pray for healing and also get it is to ignore the book of Samuel and his mother's cry for a child. she was barren.
you also would have to overlook that satan does have men that he lies to that will slay a Christian. god allows us to be tortured under that.
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Brother Mike
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My take is that God does not allow or give the devil permission to get one of us. (Talking about those that obey and serve. Paul turned one over to Satan for disobedience)
Scripture says put on your armor, Don't give the devil a place. Resist the devil steadfast in faith. Resisit the devil, and Submit to God. Jesus said I give you authority over serpents and scorpians.
If God is "Allowing" the devil to attack, then we would not want to resist the will of God and Want attacked as much as possible. If God wants us attacked, then we should not resist.
Jas 1:16-17 kjva 16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
James said do not error, only good and perfect gifts come from above, with nothing opposite of that (Shadow of turning)
Being killed by the devil does not seem like a real cool gift.
I submit that it was Job who was to blame, Not God giving any permission or "Allowing" anything.
When we use the word "Allow" with God it's like saying, I Allowed the baby to crawl over and drown in the pool. Just watched and the baby went under.
I submit that Job gave the devil a place.
Blessings.
Ironic, and I am sure that some here will see it.
You are Zophar in Chapter 11
You are Eliphaz in Chapter 15
You are Bildad in Chapter 18
And Elihu has a chapter for you...Chapter 32
Job 32:3~~English Standard Version
He burned with anger also at Job’s three friends because they had found no answer, although they had declared Job to be in the wrong.
Job 32:6~~New American Standard Bible
So Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite spoke out and said, "I am young in years and you are old; Therefore I was shy and afraid to tell you what I think..........
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Brother Mike
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I said none of what the three wrong ones said. Elihu spoke right.
Job 34:10-12 kjva 10 Therefore hearken unto me, ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity. 11 For the work of a man shall he render unto him, and cause every man to find according to his ways. 12 Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment.
Elihu says this to you.
God does not do wickedly.
So if you believe God had any part of the cold blooded murder of the man's children and that is not wicked. Then you have a whole set of issues that go beyond what we are talking about here.
If I say Job is at fault, then it's best to just ask how can that be.
Did not God say choose blessings and cursing, life and death. Did not God say choose life that your seed live? Jobs seed did not live, who did God say makes those choices?
Unless God just changes day by day and who the heck knows what God might do.