Time And Chance ?

[gr8grace3]

I said none of what the three wrong ones said. Elihu spoke right.

Job 34:10-12 kjva 10 Therefore hearken unto me, ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity. 11 For the work of a man shall he render unto him, and cause every man to find according to his ways. 12 Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment.

Elihu says this to you.

God does not do wickedly.

So if you believe God had any part of the cold blooded murder of the man's children and that is not wicked. Then you have a whole set of issues that go beyond what we are talking about here.

If I say Job is at fault, then it's best to just ask how can that be.

Did not God say choose blessings and cursing, life and death. Did not God say choose life that your seed live? Jobs seed did not live, who did God say makes those choices?

Unless God just changes day by day and who the heck knows what God might do.

The three wrong ones submitted that Job was at fault.

Brother Mike said: ↑
I submit that Job gave the devil a place.

 

[gr8grace3]

Brother Mike, have you ever heard of suffering for blessing and it is Gods will that some suffer for blessing?

 

[Lewis]

Why does God allow bad things to happen to good people?
http://www.gotquestions.org/bad-things-good-people.html

 

[Brother Mike]

Brother Mike, have you ever heard of suffering for blessing and it is Gods will that some suffer for blessing?

I am not messing with you, I honestly want you to see what I know.

Suffering (Trails, tribulation) produce patience, and patience, experience and experience Hope.

David was pretty full of faith when bad old Goliath came around. Why? Because God gave the bear and the lion into His hands. Must have been a pretty tramatic experience for David, but when Goliath came around after Facing off with the bear and the lion, then Goliath was nothing, and man without a covenant with God.

Job did not suffer Brother as into learn anything. Job lost his children, and there is nothing to learn there. It's tragic.

God has made me wait until the last possible minute for something, but he never failed me one time. yea, I learned. I need to be patient and learned God never failed, and won't fail this time. I won't have to experience the tradegy because in all things we have the Victory. Patience is rough, flesh hates it.

God led Isreal through the desert to try them. God said that. It must have been rough, but they were fed, and protected. Instead of patience they blew it.

I am not questioning that it does us good to have to wait, to be tried. Even in Peter, scripture says after you have suffered awhile, God shall stablish and strengthen you. Suffered also means to resist, to stand, be patient.

Job's case is not like that. What happened to him was tragic.

Job blamed God through the whole thing, said what point is it a man serve God. That is not the response the Father wants to hear.

Elihu told Job, God does not do wicked, but every man according to his way is rewarded.

God warned us in His Word 58 times to fear not. 48 times to be not afraid. The fear of man brings a snare.

Fear is really faith for something bad to happen to you in the Future. It's the opposite of Trusting God for good and it's faith in that rat the devil.

Job had a lot of fear. He feared the two major groups on both sides of him. The Sabeans and the Chaladeans. These were bad guys, and Job did what he knew to keep safe fom them.

Job also feard losing his children. So much that when they came together he would sacrifice a animal just in case they have cursed God in their heart. Thus Job did continually the scripture says.

Every mental illness, every trick of the devil starts with some theme we buy into. For Eve it was surley God did not say you shall die, but shall be like god, knowing good and evil.

For Jesus Satan challenged his person. If you be the son of God, Satan says. Turn these rocks into Bread.
Ok, then jump off the cliff, Psalm 91 says the angels shall bare you up. You trust God right?
When Satan could not move him there he switched to acknowledging him as the Son of God and said. Worship me, all the Kingdoms I have, I give to you.

It's always something with the devil.

For Job it was curse God, because if you curse God, then God kills you. Kills your kids.

We see that with Jobs kids, we see that when Satan talking with God, we see that in Job's wife. Why hold onto your intergity Job? Curse God and just die.

Job took action and obeyed Satan throug this fear. God is watching the whole thing. Job did not know God like David. Had the Chaladeans took David's stuff, David and God would have hunted them down and kicked their butt.

Job 3:25-26 kjva 25 For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me. 26 I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came.

This is why Jesus got so mad when the disciples showed fear. Fear hath torment, and is faith in the enemy's ability to hurt us.\

Be blessed.

 

[Kathi]

Amen, I tend to forget a portion of our Brothers and Sisters have yet to be taught about the Holy Spirit and the gifts. One reason I hang around here, to hear a different drum beat.


We should get back to the topic though.

Job:​

A man that feared God, had nice kids, lots of stuff, until the devil comes and wipes it all out.

Job appeared to have done nothing wrong to deserve this treatment. It just happened to him.

Does God just do things that are cruel like giving the devil permission to murder Job's kids?

Or is Job to blame, but ignorant of what He did wrong?

Is Job more a lesson of what not to do when things go bad? Job never asked God for help, Not one time. Job based his Getting help because of his own righteousness, God had done him wrong Job claimed as Job claimed to be spotless and without fault.

Do bad things just happen to good people on the whim of God?
Or
Are we the cause of these things?

I know the Holy Spirit quite well.I do not need to speak in tongues to grasp it.

 

[Brother Mike]

I know the Holy Spirit quite well.I do not need to speak in tongues to grasp it.

never say you don't need any of the gifts. Not one time should that come out of you. You need everything God needs in you to do his plan.

 

[Kathi]

never say you don't need any of the gifts. Not one time should that come out of you. You need everything God needs in you to do his plan.

I have the gifts that God has given me but I don't need tongues for that.Do you know what the Bible says about pride?

 

[Brother Mike]

I have the gifts that God has given me but I don't need tongues for that.Do you know what the Bible says about pride?

Tongues is a awesome and vauleable gift for ourselves. Tongues is like a direct connetion speaking mysteries to God, imparting wisdom into our spirit.

Tongues allows us to pray without adding our own natural understanding for the Holy Spirit only prays the will of the Father.

Tongues saved my brother, and my son through the interpetion given to me on what to do.

Eph 1:3 kjva Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

YOU KATHI have ALREADY been blessed with everything God has. Faith operates these things.

Gal 3:5 kjva He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Rom 12:6 kjva Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

Faith recieves!!! Faith does not say I don't need it.

1Co 14:1 kjva Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

Prophecy is a higher level gift than tongues, so going after and seeking the Lord for Tongues is the most easy and less of all the gifts to desire. It's also helps us the most personally to help others.

I only want you to have everything God said you can have. There are reasons people read things, go to certain things, hear things. The Lord directs us to those next levels and I don't take any meeting as a chance.

 

[jasonc]

My take is that God does not allow or give the devil permission to get one of us. (Talking about those that obey and serve. Paul turned one over to Satan for disobedience)

Scripture says put on your armor, Don't give the devil a place. Resist the devil steadfast in faith. Resisit the devil, and Submit to God. Jesus said I give you authority over serpents and scorpians.

If God is "Allowing" the devil to attack, then we would not want to resist the will of God and Want attacked as much as possible. If God wants us attacked, then we should not resist.

Jas 1:16-17 kjva 16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

James said do not error, only good and perfect gifts come from above, with nothing opposite of that (Shadow of turning)

Being killed by the devil does not seem like a real cool gift.

I submit that it was Job who was to blame, Not God giving any permission or "Allowing" anything.

When we use the word "Allow" with God it's like saying, I Allowed the baby to crawl over and drown in the pool. Just watched and the baby went under.

I submit that Job gave the devil a place.

Blessings.

JOB was a man that was upright . read job one on him. God did allow that. god does allow satan to attack us. to say that we can be so holy that we aren't ever in lack is beyond what the bible says. all that shall be holy shall suffer persecution! whom drives that? man and or the devil. Christians die in prisons and are tortured. were they weak in faith?

There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

show me that sin that he did to allow the devil when God says go do what the devil wanted to do with some limits.

 

[Brother Mike]

JOB was a man that was upright . read job one on him. God did allow that. god does allow satan to attack us. to say that we can be so holy that we aren't ever in lack is beyond what the bible says. all that shall be holy shall suffer persecution! whom drives that? man and or the devil. Christians die in prisons and are tortured. were they weak in faith?




show me that sin that he did to allow the devil when God says go do what the devil wanted to do with some limits.

Being persecuted does not mean killed. Luke 10:19, Isa 54:17 both say nothing can touch us. It does not mean the flood does not come, but Paul said God is faithful to deliver us from wicked men.

2Th 3:2-3 kjva 2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. 3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.

Now if Paul, the king of Mr. Getting persecuted like everyday almost says God is faithful to deliver us and keep us from evil, then that is truth. Paul would certainly know more than any of us. In fact Paul said it's time I offer myself up. Paul even decided when it was time to go after He complted the plan of God.

I can't help what others do not recieve from the Lord. I just stick with the Word and believe that.

So those that die in Prison, do they lack faith? There are billions still going to hell despite Jesus dying for us, do they lack faith?

Nobody who has trusted God has ever seen failure. Not one time. This morning God did a miracle in my life, something I was believing for. Down to the wire, but what God did suddely changed a whole lot of things for good.

I have learned not to worry about anything, have no fear, and take no thought of anything. I focus on the Word only.

Job.

With David we see him have a romp with Bathsheba, and he numbered his troops. Both got him in trouble with the Lord.

With Moses, he beat a rock instead of speak to it. Cost him the promise land.

King Saul would not fully obey God, just half obey God. Cost him being King and later his life.

We see clearly what these men did, and what they suffered because of it. Job would be no different.

God just does not allow the enemy in unless the enemy has a place. God does not walk on the toes of the devil, when the devil has a rightful place in someones life. One of the reasons the devil was so pissed off by Moses body who did not enter into hell which the devil felt he had rights to but we see Moses ended up with God, showing up to Peter and the rest.

What did Job do?

This is where the body of Christ needs a revelation. Jesus harped on it constantly.

Mat 8:26 kjva And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.

Psa 56:4 kjva In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me.

Pro 1:33 amp But whoso hearkens to me [Wisdom] shall dwell securely and in confident trust and shall be quiet, without fear or dread of evil.

What did Job do?

Job 3:25-26 kjva 25 For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me. 26 I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came.

Isa 57:2 kjva He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.

Heb 4:1 kjva Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

Job was not at rest, He feared for His childrens lives, He feared the Sabeans and Chaladeans. You don't listen constantly to the devil with lies of fear.......... curse God, and you die (Not even a scripture) and expect not to give the devil a place.

We are commanded 58 times to fear not. 48 times to be not afraid, take not thought, be careful for nothing, Be strong, be of good courage on and on.

Everything Job feared is what came. Satan was planning to kill him, but God stopped that.

 

[Kathi]

Being persecuted does not mean killed. Luke 10:19, Isa 54:17 both say nothing can touch us. It does not mean the flood does not come, but Paul said God is faithful to deliver us from wicked men.

2Th 3:2-3 kjva 2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. 3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.

Now if Paul, the king of Mr. Getting persecuted like everyday almost says God is faithful to deliver us and keep us from evil, then that is truth. Paul would certainly know more than any of us. In fact Paul said it's time I offer myself up. Paul even decided when it was time to go after He complted the plan of God.

I can't help what others do not recieve from the Lord. I just stick with the Word and believe that.

So those that die in Prison, do they lack faith? There are billions still going to hell despite Jesus dying for us, do they lack faith?

Nobody who has trusted God has ever seen failure. Not one time. This morning God did a miracle in my life, something I was believing for. Down to the wire, but what God did suddely changed a whole lot of things for good.

I have learned not to worry about anything, have no fear, and take no thought of anything. I focus on the Word only.

Job.

With David we see him have a romp with Bathsheba, and he numbered his troops. Both got him in trouble with the Lord.

With Moses, he beat a rock instead of speak to it. Cost him the promise land.

King Saul would not fully obey God, just half obey God. Cost him being King and later his life.

We see clearly what these men did, and what they suffered because of it. Job would be no different.

God just does not allow the enemy in unless the enemy has a place. God does not walk on the toes of the devil, when the devil has a rightful place in someones life. One of the reasons the devil was so pissed off by Moses body who did not enter into hell which the devil felt he had rights to but we see Moses ended up with God, showing up to Peter and the rest.

What did Job do?

This is where the body of Christ needs a revelation. Jesus harped on it constantly.

Mat 8:26 kjva And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.

Psa 56:4 kjva In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me.

Pro 1:33 amp But whoso hearkens to me [Wisdom] shall dwell securely and in confident trust and shall be quiet, without fear or dread of evil.

What did Job do?

Job 3:25-26 kjva 25 For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me. 26 I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came.

Isa 57:2 kjva He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.

Heb 4:1 kjva Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

Job was not at rest, He feared for His childrens lives, He feared the Sabeans and Chaladeans. You don't listen constantly to the devil with lies of fear.......... curse God, and you die (Not even a scripture) and expect not to give the devil a place.

We are commanded 58 times to fear not. 48 times to be not afraid, take not thought, be careful for nothing, Be strong, be of good courage on and on.

Everything Job feared is what came. Satan was planning to kill him, but God stopped that.

God allowed Job to be sifted.

 

[Brother Mike]

God allowed Job to be sifted.

Pretty clear God did not stop the devil from getting Job since the devil had a rightful place. God will not pervert his word or judgements. (Elihu)

For once we agree.

 

[Kathi]

Yes,as you know God had a wager with Satan regarding Job..Job 1-2.In the end God harnessed evil and turned it to good.

 

[jasonc]

Being persecuted does not mean killed. Luke 10:19, Isa 54:17 both say nothing can touch us. It does not mean the flood does not come, but Paul said God is faithful to deliver us from wicked men.

2Th 3:2-3 kjva 2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. 3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.

Now if Paul, the king of Mr. Getting persecuted like everyday almost says God is faithful to deliver us and keep us from evil, then that is truth. Paul would certainly know more than any of us. In fact Paul said it's time I offer myself up. Paul even decided when it was time to go after He complted the plan of God.

I can't help what others do not recieve from the Lord. I just stick with the Word and believe that.

So those that die in Prison, do they lack faith? There are billions still going to hell despite Jesus dying for us, do they lack faith?

Nobody who has trusted God has ever seen failure. Not one time. This morning God did a miracle in my life, something I was believing for. Down to the wire, but what God did suddely changed a whole lot of things for good.

I have learned not to worry about anything, have no fear, and take no thought of anything. I focus on the Word only.

Job.

With David we see him have a romp with Bathsheba, and he numbered his troops. Both got him in trouble with the Lord.

With Moses, he beat a rock instead of speak to it. Cost him the promise land.

King Saul would not fully obey God, just half obey God. Cost him being King and later his life.

We see clearly what these men did, and what they suffered because of it. Job would be no different.

God just does not allow the enemy in unless the enemy has a place. God does not walk on the toes of the devil, when the devil has a rightful place in someones life. One of the reasons the devil was so pissed off by Moses body who did not enter into hell which the devil felt he had rights to but we see Moses ended up with God, showing up to Peter and the rest.

What did Job do?

This is where the body of Christ needs a revelation. Jesus harped on it constantly.

Mat 8:26 kjva And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.

Psa 56:4 kjva In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me.

Pro 1:33 amp But whoso hearkens to me [Wisdom] shall dwell securely and in confident trust and shall be quiet, without fear or dread of evil.

What did Job do?

Job 3:25-26 kjva 25 For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me. 26 I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came.

Isa 57:2 kjva He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.

Heb 4:1 kjva Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

Job was not at rest, He feared for His childrens lives, He feared the Sabeans and Chaladeans. You don't listen constantly to the devil with lies of fear.......... curse God, and you die (Not even a scripture) and expect not to give the devil a place.

We are commanded 58 times to fear not. 48 times to be not afraid, take not thought, be careful for nothing, Be strong, be of good courage on and on.

Everything Job feared is what came. Satan was planning to kill him, but God stopped that.

sigh, read job one.
god said to satan( a challenge if one wanted to see it that way) has thou seen my serveant job? satan said something back, he loves you only because you have blessed him. then god allows satan to take blessings.

uhm God lead paul to rome to die. he said that to him before he ever saw rome. so Christians that have fear are in sin? wow. what have you faced death? I have faced death. I have been very afraid of it. who isn't. god didn't take the fear of it away, he just protected me and I saw him greater then the fear of death. but I still felt it. we do have a reason to have fear, fear such as if I see a copper head I don't go poking it as I know its deadly. I have been to war. god has protected my unit the day I got a word three people nearly died. god told me that.

acts 23:11
job 1

And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
9 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
12 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.

when did Job fear that first? you are reading into that. nothing there says job feared first. a parent will care for their kids. job offered(atoned for them) in case of sin. perhaps he felt they sinned and were judged. I fear for my dad. he is lost imho. he may die and see hell. is that a sin to be fear for him?

 

[Kathi]

Tongues is a awesome and vauleable gift for ourselves. Tongues is like a direct connetion speaking mysteries to God, imparting wisdom into our spirit.

Tongues allows us to pray without adding our own natural understanding for the Holy Spirit only prays the will of the Father.

Tongues saved my brother, and my son through the interpetion given to me on what to do.

Eph 1:3 kjva Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

YOU KATHI have ALREADY been blessed with everything God has. Faith operates these things.

Gal 3:5 kjva He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Rom 12:6 kjva Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

Faith recieves!!! Faith does not say I don't need it.

1Co 14:1 kjva Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

Prophecy is a higher level gift than tongues, so going after and seeking the Lord for Tongues is the most easy and less of all the gifts to desire. It's also helps us the most personally to help others.

I only want you to have everything God said you can have. There are reasons people read things, go to certain things, hear things. The Lord directs us to those next levels and I don't take any meeting as a chance.

Do you believe that speaking in tongues is a salvation issue?

 

[Brother Mike]

sigh, read job one.
god said to satan( a challenge if one wanted to see it that way) has thou seen my serveant job? satan said something back, he loves you only because you have blessed him. then god allows satan to take blessings.

uhm God lead paul to rome to die. he said that to him before he ever saw rome. so Christians that have fear are in sin? wow. what have you faced death? I have faced death. I have been very afraid of it. who isn't. god didn't take the fear of it away, he just protected me and I saw him greater then the fear of death. but I still felt it. we do have a reason to have fear, fear such as if I see a copper head I don't go poking it as I know its deadly. I have been to war. god has protected my unit the day I got a word three people nearly died. god told me that.

acts 23:11
job 1



when did Job fear that first? you are reading into that. nothing there says job feared first. a parent will care for their kids. job offered(atoned for them) in case of sin. perhaps he felt they sinned and were judged. I fear for my dad. he is lost imho. he may die and see hell. is that a sin to be fear for him?

Job sacrificed for his kids, for job said'.......... they may have cursed God in there heart, thus job did continually.

Is job doing this because he is a great parent? Or does job have a fear of loss by what theme Satan brought in. Curse God, you die.

Everything job feared is what happened.

There is a difference between the flesh feeling fear and acting on it speaking.

There is no need to fear anything if you know God is with you.

Fear is believing in the enemy's ability to bring to pass tradegy. FAith is believing what God said will come to pass.

So Job feared first, because for all his fear to come to pass as Job said, then the fear was first.

There is a difference between speaking and putting faith into fear, and feeling fear but not giving it place and speaking the truth of the Word.

I am not afraid of rattlesnakes, but wisdom dictates I don't try to pick them up.
I don't fear anyone I love Going to Hell, I don't want them to, but it's not fear.
I don't fear any sickness or disease. I don't like them, but I won't side with them.

I have never been in combat, I can't relate.

When cornered in the shower though in prison, alone by 3 guys with shanks who were given orders to kill me because I would not obey the gangs order to stop wittnessing to a young muslim guy. I had no fear. In fact when they came into corner me, I turned my back and laughed. "Is that the best you got Satan, really?"

I got ready to at least take one of them out, but I was not planing to go down easy despite their size. When I turned around their eyes were wide and they were backing up. Then they just ran off. They jimmied their cell doors to wait on me since they knew I showered alone after gett off from kitchen work at 2am. NO Guards around at that time.

I was curious to know what they saw though, so the next morning all 3 were packing up their cells, they had volentary put themselves in segration to leave the wing. I walked over to the youngest and he started screaming at me to stay away and started to call for the guards. I just walked away and to this day I have no idea what they saw.

Bleach and Window cleaner.

Wittness in the kitchen at prison upset some White supremist group that "OWNED" the kitchen. They told me to shut up about Jesus and that I need to leave the kitchen before something bad happens to me. I got there by favor of the Lord was not going anywhere.

One of them put bleach and window cleaner in my big cup of coffer which I took a big gulp of before I realized what was in there. Immediatly it took my breath away and I could not even breath. It felt like something had just taken out my stomach, lungs and wind pipe.
My first thought was. "NO FEAR, the devil won't get a place."

With air I had left, I said, Thank you Lord, you said I drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt me.

About all I could do, I was in intense pain but as soon as I said that, I noticted I could take small gulps of air, then more and more. Soon I was breathing and the only thing left was intense pain inside, like everywhere.

Then I said out loud best I could, "Lord, forgive them, I am fine."

I then said, "Devil, I am going back to work, It is written I am healed by the stripes of Jesus, You will not stop me from completing my work, the Lord put me here."

It took most the rest of the day, but I hurt less and less. When I got back to my cell, I could just taste the bleach, no pain.

Next morning, not a thing wrong with me. When I went back to work, all seven of those guys had been moved from the kitchen for various reasons. Not a one left in one day, and nothing I told anyone about. (You don't snitch in prison)

4 months later the youngest one saw me eating in the chow hall and asked if He could sit with me. I said yes, then tears just started coming down his face and he asked me to forgive me. He said he saw me drink something that should have killed me and heard what I said about forgiving them and that I was fine afterward.

He said that next sunday he went to church and gave his life to the Lord and was afraid.

(Now God did not have me drink bleach to save someone, that is nonesens)

So, Jason I did not tell you about my son, but Not one time did God every send a monster to destroy one of his, and not one time has God failed anyone.

Fear will stop the power of God, just like it did Peter walking on the water, and Satan had a place to bring to pass all Job had listened to satan about and took action to it.

The Kids mentioned first in Job, the day Satan struck having a place when they gathered together and the kids the first to go.

No acting on fear.

 

[Brother Mike]

Do you believe that speaking in tongues is a salvation issue?

I don't know of anyone not saved that speaks in tongues. So I am pretty sure it's a requirment to get saved, if your seeking the gift.

Jesus said YOUR FATER will give the Holy Ghost to those that ask. I am guessing the requirment to getting the Holy Ghost and even Tongues would be that God has to be your Father first.

 

[Kathi]

I don't know of anyone not saved that speaks in tongues. So I am pretty sure it's a requirment to get saved, if your seeking the gift.

Jesus said YOUR FATER will give the Holy Ghost to those that ask. I am guessing the requirment to getting the Holy Ghost and even Tongues would be that God has to be your Father first.

So I should speak in tongues to get saved?

 

[jasonc]

Job sacrificed for his kids, for job said'.......... they may have cursed God in there heart, thus job did continually.

Is job doing this because he is a great parent? Or does job have a fear of loss by what theme Satan brought in. Curse God, you die.

Everything job feared is what happened.

There is a difference between the flesh feeling fear and acting on it speaking.

There is no need to fear anything if you know God is with you.

Fear is believing in the enemy's ability to bring to pass tradegy. FAith is believing what God said will come to pass.

So Job feared first, because for all his fear to come to pass as Job said, then the fear was first.

There is a difference between speaking and putting faith into fear, and feeling fear but not giving it place and speaking the truth of the Word.

I am not afraid of rattlesnakes, but wisdom dictates I don't try to pick them up.
I don't fear anyone I love Going to Hell, I don't want them to, but it's not fear.
I don't fear any sickness or disease. I don't like them, but I won't side with them.

I have never been in combat, I can't relate.

When cornered in the shower though in prison, alone by 3 guys with shanks who were given orders to kill me because I would not obey the gangs order to stop wittnessing to a young muslim guy. I had no fear. In fact when they came into corner me, I turned my back and laughed. "Is that the best you got Satan, really?"

I got ready to at least take one of them out, but I was not planing to go down easy despite their size. When I turned around their eyes were wide and they were backing up. Then they just ran off. They jimmied their cell doors to wait on me since they knew I showered alone after gett off from kitchen work at 2am. NO Guards around at that time.

I was curious to know what they saw though, so the next morning all 3 were packing up their cells, they had volentary put themselves in segration to leave the wing. I walked over to the youngest and he started screaming at me to stay away and started to call for the guards. I just walked away and to this day I have no idea what they saw.

Bleach and Window cleaner.

Wittness in the kitchen at prison upset some White supremist group that "OWNED" the kitchen. They told me to shut up about Jesus and that I need to leave the kitchen before something bad happens to me. I got there by favor of the Lord was not going anywhere.

One of them put bleach and window cleaner in my big cup of coffer which I took a big gulp of before I realized what was in there. Immediatly it took my breath away and I could not even breath. It felt like something had just taken out my stomach, lungs and wind pipe.
My first thought was. "NO FEAR, the devil won't get a place."

With air I had left, I said, Thank you Lord, you said I drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt me.

About all I could do, I was in intense pain but as soon as I said that, I noticted I could take small gulps of air, then more and more. Soon I was breathing and the only thing left was intense pain inside, like everywhere.

Then I said out loud best I could, "Lord, forgive them, I am fine."

I then said, "Devil, I am going back to work, It is written I am healed by the stripes of Jesus, You will not stop me from completing my work, the Lord put me here."

It took most the rest of the day, but I hurt less and less. When I got back to my cell, I could just taste the bleach, no pain.

Next morning, not a thing wrong with me. When I went back to work, all seven of those guys had been moved from the kitchen for various reasons. Not a one left in one day, and nothing I told anyone about. (You don't snitch in prison)

4 months later the youngest one saw me eating in the chow hall and asked if He could sit with me. I said yes, then tears just started coming down his face and he asked me to forgive me. He said he saw me drink something that should have killed me and heard what I said about forgiving them and that I was fine afterward.

He said that next sunday he went to church and gave his life to the Lord and was afraid.

(Now God did not have me drink bleach to save someone, that is nonesens)

So, Jason I did not tell you about my son, but Not one time did God every send a monster to destroy one of his, and not one time has God failed anyone.

Fear will stop the power of God, just like it did Peter walking on the water, and Satan had a place to bring to pass all Job had listened to satan about and took action to it.

The Kids mentioned first in Job, the day Satan struck having a place when they gathered together and the kids the first to go.

No acting on fear.

GOD allowed him to kill those kids. so fear motivates god to allow the devil? read what it says not what Copeland tells you think.

did job say his fear before then? not likely. his kids had to be sinners. he offered for them. they answer to god. they if they were right(its not said one way or another) would have no need to atone for it was said clearly. so therefore I have doubts.

again fear isn't negated by faith just made smaller. I know personally god brought me through Afghanistan.

paul wanted to die? paul was beheaded. I find that hard to believe. his word would have said clearly in the biblle for I offer myself as a drink offering. instead of im being poured out as a drink offering. that means another person who owned him( maybe god) offered him up. that wouldn't happen?
see 2 timothy 4:6 and also phillipians 2:17. whom offered him?
the deaths of the saints are a sweet incense unto the lord, what does that mean?

the faith of charismatic in America compared to a missioniary india whose is greater? the missioniary. why? because they don't have distractions. they have a real country that does kill them. America? phht please we haven't a clue.

 

[Brother Mike]

So I should speak in tongues to get saved?

Did you read what I posted above? Am I typing invisible ink here?

I said.................... The Gifts of the Spirit are for God's Children.

Rom 8:16 kjva The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

So, for the Spirit to bare wittness with our spirit. You must be "SAVED" first.

What in the World does tongues have to do with getting saved? What are you listening to?