Timing of the Tribulation

[Sinthesis]

Jesus was sad about it.
Luk 19:41 And when he came nigh, having seen the city, he wept over it,
Luk 19:42 saying--`If thou didst know, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things for thy peace; but now they were hid from thine eyes.
Luk 19:43 `Because days shall come upon thee, and thine enemies shall cast around thee a rampart, and compass thee round, and press thee on every side,
Luk 19:44 and lay thee low, and thy children within thee, and they shall not leave in thee a stone upon a stone, because thou didst not know the time of thy inspection.'

I don't think He was weeping over a city that was some 2,000 yrs. out in the future. I believe He was weeping over a city where He had brought them, "the things for thy peace". The place where He had said...
Mat 23:37 `Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that art killing the prophets, and stoning those sent unto thee, how often did I will to gather thy children together, as a hen doth gather her own chickens under the wings, and ye did not will.
Mat 23:38 Lo, left desolate to you is your house;

I asked myself, if Jerusalem today is killing prophets and stoning those sent to them? Even the Orthodox Jews in Israel as much as they dislike the Messianic Jews are not doing this today. In fact, do the Jews even have any prophets today to kill?

Luk 11:51 - From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.​

Zacharias son of Barachias may have been their last. He was killed by the Zealots(radicalized Jewish extremists) in 67AD, so in effect this is Jesus prophesying the final murdered prophet before Jerusalem's tribulation at the hands of Rome.

 

[Deborah13]

Luk 11:51 - From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.​

Zacharias son of Barachias may have been their last. He was killed by the Zealots(radicalized Jewish extremists) in 67AD, so in effect this is Jesus prophesying the final murdered prophet before Jerusalem's tribulation at the hands of Rome.

I had no idea that is when he was killed.

When that happened I wonder how many remembered what Jesus had said.

 

[Sinthesis]

I had no idea that is when he was killed.

When that happened I wonder how many remembered what Jesus had said.

People are kind of dense. Some still don't think all the stones of the temple were thrown down.

 

[jocor]

People are kind of dense. Some still don't think all the stones of the temple were thrown down.

I wasn't going to respond to your view of Luke 11:51, but since you call people "dense" I'll reply. I suggest you read John Gill's commentary on Matthew 23:35 (parallel account). There are several other views that have more merit than the one you offered. I would post it here, but it is somewhat lengthy.

 

[jasonc]

People are kind of dense. Some still don't think all the stones of the temple were thrown down.

why am I not surprised.

 

[Sinthesis]

I wasn't going to respond to your view of Luke 11:51, but since you call people "dense" I'll reply. I suggest you read John Gill's commentary on Matthew 23:35 (parallel account). There are several other views that have more merit than the one you offered. I would post it here, but it is somewhat lengthy.

I chose Luke 11:51 over Matt 23:35 because of the reference to "this generation".
I'm familiar with many different views, I just happen to believe the particular one I expressed has the most merit with regards to timing and context.
Here are a couple of links if anyone wants to investigate Zacharias son of Barachias further:
http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/luke-11-51.html
http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/matthew-23-35.html
http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Zacharias.html#.VDiCAtq9KSM
http://sacred-texts.com/jud/josephus/war-4.htm (chapter 5 part 4)

 

[n2thelight]

People are kind of dense. Some still don't think all the stones of the temple were thrown down.

Simple reason for that,because they hav'nt

All the stones WERE NOT thrown down in 70AD! Today there remain some stones right where they were in the days of Jesus. If all the stones were to be thrown down BEFORE the second coming, and Preterist admit this, and if all the stones were NOT THROWN DOWN in 70AD, then the second coming is still future and will NOT TAKE PLACE until these stones are all thrown down. Now when will this be? Before the tribulation, mid tribulation, pre-wrath, or at the very end of the tribulation? That will settle when Jesus is coming back since he is coming back once!

Zechariah 14:4 "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."

This will happen on "the day of the Lord". God will shake the earth and send fire and brimstone upon it. The earthquakes will flatten the cities to where not one stone will stand upon another. Those two great mountains will shake, and the mount of Olives will split. All prophecies concerning Christ return include Mount Zion, and the Mount of Olives will be fulfilled. This is where Christ's feet will touch the earth, when He returns.
When Jesus and His disciples were departing out of Jerusalem before he would be delivered up to be crucified, they asked Him what it would be like at His second coming.

Matthew 24:2 "And Jesus said unto them, "See ye not all these things [Temple buildings]? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

Sure the city of Jerusalem has been destroyed from time to time, but there are still many stones stacked upon each other from the original construction. A simple trip to Jerusalem reveals that, for the wailing wall is one of the most popular markings of that city. Before that time another temple shall be built, and the Antichrist shall rule from that spot.

Then at the seventh trumpet, and Jesus Christ's return there will be a great shaking that will level the city of Jerusalem. At that shaking not one stone will be left upon another. Yet God will make a way of escape for his elect on that day. Then the "east gate", the one facing the "sun to the temple" will open a way of escape for God's people. That way will be there, and this destruction is not to be feared by one of God's elect.

 

[JLB]

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17


The Resurrection and Rapture are ONE EVENT!


The Rapture/Resurrection occurs on the Day of The Lord.


17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 4:17-5:4



JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

Scriptures below are speaking of the day of the Lord as it is past judgements and future judgement before and after that of Christ return as scripture says we will always have tribulation until the Lord returns and then makes an end to all abominations that cause desolation or in other words, make an end to all sin.

Isaiah 2:12; 13:6,9; Ezekiel 13:5; 30:3; Joel 2:31; Joel 3:14; Amos 5:18; Amos 5:20; Obadiah 1:15; Zephaniah 1:7,8,14,18; 2:2,3; 14:1; Malachi 4:5; Acts 2:20; 1Colossians 5:5; 2 Colossians 1:14; 1Thessalonians 5:2; 2Thessalonians 2:1-4; Philippians 1:9-10; 2:16; 2 Peter 3:10

No where in scripture does it speak of a great seven year tribulation. The Church, which represents the bride of Christ, will face much tribulation before we enter into the kingdom of God. There are many false teachings that teach we are taken out of here before some seven year Great Tribulation, but there is no scripture defining a seven year Great Tribulation. Some also teach that after Rev Chapter 4 the Church is no longer here on earth. If this were the case then why did Jesus say that those who endure until the end will be saved. The end of what, the end of days or as scripture calls it that great and terrible day of the Lord when final judgment will be passed as the Sheep are separated from the goats and the goats are cast into the lake of fire with Satan, the beast and false prophets.