Topics that most churches and the forums dont like to addres

[shad]

double

its evil to use my own( i dont have that business but use that as example) to bless the lord?

odd.i have fixed cars for the poor and the church gave me the money to do give a few to the poor once i fixed them. is that evil as well

When did I say helping the needy is evil? You are still evading my question.

 

[jasoncran]

shad i posted this:

no. i didnt imply that.

My question was if you believe America is a Christan nation. Why are you having such a hard time answering this simple question?]

i said that america is drifting from the christian origins it had

maybe a quick history lesson is needed on the puritans is needed
as they didnt beleive in the massacres of the indians, they wanted to coexist with the indians in the massuchusets colony

see john winthrop on that.

they mayflower pact was a pact that was between men and the lord to share the gospel in the new world

 

[jasoncran]

shad, when i was a jw, i hated guns the military and was a pacifist

i know these arguments as i used them, but even the jw will say that the american early settlers were of the christendom idea(we call that our christianity they dont accept us)
i hated america like you
disliked the worship of the flag and so on
then one day i just decided to join the army and while i was reluctant i didnt push to get out, i saw what the soldier was like for myself , i ate with them, was one of them, lived with them in the woods

i learned that some hate me and us because we have freedom , they wanted to kill me because i was an american. i didnt attack or hurt them. just was born american.

i lived an immoral live while i was in the active army but to the degree that i was a drunkard or such like ,but i learned that theres always to side to the story and the jw was wrong, we soldiers dont love to kill but did it save our families and homes so that we could have peace

i never voted till recently, as i got shot at so that the afghanis could vote, so i said i'm voting next election. and i did. 2006,2008 and will again.

what i do, i think about and self examine what i am and have done so that i can live myself.

 

[shad]

i said that america is drifting from the christian origins it had

Invading other's country is not of Jesus. They did not have Jesus' Spirit from the beginning.

 

[jasoncran]

i said that america is drifting from the christian origins it had

Invading other's country is not of Jesus. They did not have Jesus' Spirit from the beginning.

uh, the puritans didnt invade the land they settled it peacefully shad.
nor did the founders of jamestown. they traded with the indians pecefully

look shad, my wife is seminole indian. i know of the white man's religion and the massacres very well. i used to worship with a card carryin cherokee indian. and we have a cherokee on this forum, jojo, is of the eastern tribe.

i know of all the sins that we as nation have done.

i read history articles time to time.

 

[jasoncran]

what state do you reside in? did you know that in the war of independence the first indian democracy(the only true democracy) was in a civil war part of them supported the brits and the colonies.
we are a republic not a democracy, read the founding documents and what a republic is and a democracy is.

they fought with the colonists in the french and indian war. indians also fought with the north and the south in the civil war and the war of 1812.

read some history books and learn.

 

[shad]

they traded with the indians pecefully

I have to look up if you are telling the truth.

 

[jasoncran]

they traded with the indians pecefully

I have to look up if you are telling the truth.

i was taught that in grade school the whole thing of the thanksgiving was that. the indians taught the pilgrims the idea of how to grow corn and that how they survived.

in jamestown, the man john smith if i recall married pohacahontas as a peace deal, war did happen but they did settle the issue. hmm i will do a thread on this.

 

[jasoncran]

on pocahantas and jamestown, interesting the just the opposite the indians were the agressor at first.

i can see why as strangers landed in their land.

there was some strife and confusion over smith and others pochantas converted in this story.

http://www.preservationvirginia.org/red ... page_id=26

 

[GojuBrian]

Anyway, please don't be so quick to pass judgment on those whose beliefs on this subject differ from yours.

I only know that Jesus is for oppressed and poor, not for powerful and wealthy.
We are fooling ourselves believing that we are blessed by God because we are so wealthy.

Who is wealthy? Here in Arkansas the poverty level is above 25% of the population. The only reason I'm above that is me and my wife both hold down full time jobs.

RE: The military.

Our military men and women are servants, they are in 'The Service for pete's sake. This disdain for the military is unamerican,unchristlike,and appalling! They are putting their very lives on the line so folks like you can even have an opinion,however credible it is. They are the very definition of christianity at its core imo. Being against them is a shameful disgrace.

I didn't stay away from here because of just you, but many like you here with non-christian backward thinking and flawed logic all the while claiming to be christian. Christian fellowship has no place for this and I have no desire to waste my time with people that think so backwards,yet are convinced they are associated with Jesus.

 

[jasoncran]

funny aint it those that hate the military are often very self-serving. when the just opposite is often the case. those have served see that there something bigger then them, and that the sacrifice is worth it.

 

[GojuBrian]

funny aint it those that hate the military are often very self-serving. when the just opposite is often the case. those have served see that there something bigger then them, and that the sacrifice is worth it.

That's absolutely right Jason. People have no idea what military folks sacrifice. It's no life for a family, it's not that great of pay, and you sure don't get famous. But, you have the opportunity to lay your life down for your country and your fellow man, you get to keep the peace so we can sleep peaceful while you are away from your family for who knows how long. Yeah, real epitomy of evil there.....

to the Troops!!

 

[jasoncran]

that was a lesson that i learned while i was in the active army. ironic for me. as i recall being against the iraq war(desert storm) in high school.

that changed when i met the vets and heard the horror stories.

 

[shad]

RE: The military.

Our military men and women are servants, they are in 'The Service for pete's sake. This disdain for the military is unamerican,unchristlike,and appalling! They are putting their very lives on the line so folks like you can even have an opinion,however credible it is. They are the very definition of christianity at its core imo. Being against them is a shameful disgrace.

I feel the opposite and I am serving Jesus with all my might. Killing your enemy has no place for Jesus' followers. Jesus says it clearly to "love your enemy". You dont love your enemy by killing them. I am only defending Jesus' commandment. This commandment is utmost noble and loving of His. The military is this world's institution. Jesus' followers are not of this world, says' Jesus.

Jesus' followers' identity is Christian, not nationality.

 

[jasoncran]

does the commandment allow evil as any crime to go unpunished by the established govt?
as in we dont call the cops?

you think strange as we cant be part of the govt, yet complain about the evil that govt does, why not partake and change that, be the solution.

 

[shad]

you think strange as we cant be part of the govt, yet complain about the evil that govt does, why not partake and change that, be the solution.

Partaking to kill each other? That is not Jesus' way. Do you think your leaders are godly enough to judge other nations as evil?


anyway, you already asked the same questions many times and I already answered them.

take care.

 

[GojuBrian]

RE: The military.

Our military men and women are servants, they are in 'The Service for pete's sake. This disdain for the military is unamerican,unchristlike,and appalling! They are putting their very lives on the line so folks like you can even have an opinion,however credible it is. They are the very definition of christianity at its core imo. Being against them is a shameful disgrace.

I feel the opposite and I am serving Jesus with all my might. Killing your enemy has no place for Jesus' followers. Jesus says it clearly to "love your enemy". You dont love your enemy by killing them. I am only defending Jesus' commandment. This commandment is utmost noble and loving of His. The military is this world's institution. Jesus' followers are not of this world, says' Jesus.

Jesus' followers' identity is Christian, not nationality.

Jesus gave his life for your soul. Soldiers give their lives for your freedom.

If you have a problem with one, you have a problem with the other.

 

[GojuBrian]

I also take exception to most of the junk you believe about soldiers. As if somehow they are evil and wanting to do nothing but kill the enemy. They don't even want to have enemies, no one does! They preserve peace by any means necessary. Something pansy flower children like yourself ane not willing to do. Nah, you'd rather sit on the sidelines enjoying what they gave you and call them names and throw accusations.
Is a police officer somehow bloodthirsty if in the act of doing his duty he has to shoot someone to stop them from doing something horrible? Maybe he should just let it happen?
Are you one of those fruitcakes who believe we have no right to self defense and should just let evil happen to us and out loved ones?
I served in the military for 9years. You know why I joined? I felt I had an obligation to my country. I enjoyed alot of freedoms includint the freedom to worship publically that many brave folks fought to preserve. They gave their very lives so a person like you can publically disgrace and dishonor them by saying they want to kill and are not christians on the 'worldy' internet. That makes me sick.

How about Peter? Was he somehow a bloodthirsty killer when he weilded his sword in protection of Jesus? NO. Did Jesus scorn him for carrying a sword or for using it in that manner? NO. He simply reminded him he was there for that purpose and it was ok.

Good grief! You make my butt want to suck a lemon!

to our servicemen.

 

[shad]

I served in the military for 9years. You know why I joined? I felt I had an obligation to my country.

I have obligation to Jesus to defend His commandments and teachings.

I enjoyed alot of freedoms includint the freedom to worship publically that many brave folks fought to preserve.

Jesus' followers are free in Christ no matter where they live. Some Christians are in persecuted areas because God trusts them to endure mightily and still able to spread Jesus.

They gave their very lives so a person like you can publically disgrace and dishonor them by saying they want to kill and are not christians on the 'worldy' internet.

Jesus' followers don't kill anyone like military people. Their causes of death is totally different. Jesus followers die for His causes but the military Christians die for their country, and kill their enemies in the process..

That makes me sick.

take a medication or two.

 

[shad]

Soldiers give their lives for your freedom.

I take freedom in Christ over worldly freedom which the military people boast about.

I am so sorry but I have to live where I am. God does not trust me enough to put me in persecuted area. I cannot complain where God put me.