Bible Study Trinity Evidence All False

[Vice]

Dime you said

All the deity of God was in Christ, thus Christ was fully God.

I said
Now do you know that the NIV is the only bible that claims that.

Not true at all.

New American Standard - "For in him all the fulness of Deity dwells in bodily form."

New International Version - "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form."

Revised Standard Version - "For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily."

New Revised Standard Version - "For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily."

King James - "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

Nestle-Aland 27th edition (Greek) - "hoti en auto katoikei pan to pleiroma teis theoteitos somatikos."


Dime, I sense your frustration, but be of good cheer. He does this on other boards as well and seems to incite harsher responses. Just be encouraged that Jesus is God in the flesh (John 1:14) who entered into human history to save us from our sins. No one other than God himself could have saved us from our sins; not even an ordinary being with a spark of divinity, as SB makes Jesus out to be.

 

[Khristeeanos]

Thanks, Vice

Here is a Jew's translation:

Colossians 2:9 (Complete Jewish Bible: An English Version by David H. Stern)
For in him, bodily, lives the fullness of all that God is.

And here is one of the two literal translations I have:

Colossians 2:9 (Young's Literal Translation))
because in him doth tabernacle all the fulness of the Godhead bodily,

Not Good enough?

How about God's Word Translation:

All of God lives in Christ's body.

Or maybe New Century Version:

All of God lives in Christ fully (even when Christ was on earth)

Here is the English Standard Version:

For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily.

Amplified Bible:

For in Him the whole fullness of Deity (the Godhead) continues to dwell in bodily form [giving complete expression of the divine nature].

 

[Khristeeanos]

Kenneth Weust has his own "expanded translation" of the New Testament Greek Scriptures. Here is Colossians 2:9

...because in Him there is continuously and permanently at home all the fullness of absolute deity in bodily fashion.

 

[Squeakybro]

Well here is all the versions I have.

Col 2:9
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
(KJV)

Col 2:9
9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
(NIV)

Col 2:9
9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
(NKJ)

Col 2:9
9 For in him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily,
(RSV)

Col 2:9
9 for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily,
(ASV)

I think that proves my point. All you have to do is determine which doctrines are the new ones, and which ones are the authorized ones.

1 Tim 4:1

1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
(NKJ)

 

[Squeakybro]

Havent you all figured out yet that I think differently than you do .
My logic is different. My motivation is different. My foundation is different. My evidence is different. My conclusions are different.

 

[evanman]

Your "evidence" must be solidly based on scripture.
Your "foundation" must be on Christ and His teachings.
Your "Logic" needs to be based on the Scriptures.
Your "Motivation" needs to be from the "spirit" and not the letter of the Law--Christ stated that His WORDS were spirit.
There can be no other foundation other than Christ, and the Prophets and Apostles.
The conclusion can only be one!

 

[Squeakybro]

Well take a look when I post the verses the Holy Spirit gives me all your rules are submitted to. You can make up all the rules you want. They dont hold a light to the only guarantee in the scriptures.

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
(NKJ)

 

[Vice]

Havent you all figured out yet that I think differently than you do .
My logic is different. My motivation is different. My foundation is different. My evidence is different. My conclusions are different.

Your Jesus is also different.
Your "Gospel" is also different.
And the Apostle Paul has some strong words about that. (Galatians 1:8-9)

 

[Squeakybro]

Vice are you ashamed to quote the verses?

 

[Vice]

Vice are you ashamed to quote the verses?

I think you can click on the link to open up the verse for yourself. Try it: Galatians 1:8-9

 

[Squeakybro]

I dont have to click I have the Holy Spirit within me, you know the Word abiding in me. I think if you really study these verses you will find their speaking against the trinity. If anyone preaches any other gospel. Trinity is NOT gospel, it is pagan or man made.

Gal 1:8-10
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.
(NKJ)

 

[evanman]

The Bible states quite clearly that Jesus claim,ed to be equal with God!

 

[Squeakybro]

evanman you said
The Bible states quite clearly that Jesus claim,ed to be equal with God!

I said
One that totally submits to God and only allows what God says to come through him is going to have a type of equality. But that equality doesnt come from believing your God but by submitting totally to God. Jesus didnt claim that equality, man labeled Him with that equality. Jesus allowed man to think that at Gods request because He was representing God.

John 5:18
18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
(NKJ)

Phil 2:5-7
5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
(NKJ)

 

[archer]

Squeaky,
Dont take this wrong but I am looking for background........ What are your beliefs in what happens to you after you die? And do you believe that only caucasions will enter heaven? This is not a joke nor am I making fun of you. Serious questions! Honest.....

 

[Squeakybro]

archer you said
Squeaky,
Dont take this wrong but I am looking for background........ What are your beliefs in what happens to you after you die? And do you believe that only caucasions will enter heaven? This is not a joke nor am I making fun of you. Serious questions! Honest.....

I said
I dont think about after death, only that I will be with the Lord. I dont think about the past I cant change none of it. I think about know and not missing a verse that the Holy Spirit might be trying to reveal something new to me. Everyones inner man is the same color I dont dwell on that either.

 

[Khristeeanos]

squeakybro,

I ask that you carefully examine these 3 verses and compare them to each other. You really missed my point in the First and Last/Alpha and Omega.

Here you go.

John 2:19-21
In answer Jesus said to them: “Break down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.†Therefore the Jews said: “This temple was built in forty-six years, and will you raise it up in three days?†But he was talking about the temple of his body.

Acts 4:8-10
Then Peter, filled with holy spirit, said to them:
“Rulers of the people and older men, if we are this day being examined, on the basis of a good deed to an ailing man, as to by whom this man has been made well, let it be known to all of YOU and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ the Naz•a•rene´, whom YOU impaled but whom God raised up from the dead, by this one does this man stand here sound in front of YOU.

Romans 8:10-11
But if Christ is in union with YOU, the body indeed is dead on account of sin, but the spirit is life on account of righteousness. If, now, the spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in YOU, he that raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make YOUR mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in YOU.

These verses all clearly state that Jesus was raised from the dead, yet they are very different in WHO raised Jesus from the dead.

The first passage says that Jesus would raise His own Body.
The second passage says that God raised Jesus.
The third passage says that the Spirit raised Jesus.

Please note that the Jehovah's Witnesses clearly deny the deity of Christ, yet these quotes come from the New World Translation, which is a Watchtower Bible and Tract Society publication.

In fact, I got these quotes from Watchtower.org.

 

[Squeakybro]

Dime you said
The first passage says that Jesus would raise His own Body.
The second passage says that God raised Jesus.
The third passage says that the Spirit raised Jesus.

I said
I think you dont understand. That Jesus never told us what He thinks He always told us what God told Him to tell us. Your assuming that when Jesus said He would raise His own body that, that was from Jesus it wasnt.

John 12:49
49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
(NKJ)

 

[Khristeeanos]

Jesus clearly stated (from the Father) that He would raise His own Body.

John 2:19-21
In answer Jesus said to them: “Break down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.†Therefore the Jews said: “This temple was built in forty-six years, and will you raise it up in three days?†But he was talking about the temple of his body.

 

[Squeakybro]

you said

Jesus clearly stated (from the Father) that He would raise His own Body.

I said
And it is also clear that them words were not Jesus' personal words. The Father told Him to say that.
John 12:49
49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
(NKJ)

 

[Khristeeanos]

Let's try this again, slower this time.

Answer this simple question.


Does the Father have a body of flesh and bone?

Here are some verses to help you out.

Luke 24:38-40
He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.†When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet.

Matthew 16:16-18
Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

John 4:24
"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

Carefully answer this question. Examine all the possibilities because this is a very important question.

I would even suggest reading this post and thinking about it for at least a few hours before answering.