Trump on Twitter

[Bull of the Woods]

So how is it different now

 

[Bull of the Woods]

It took 230 years to create that swamp and you expect to see results of fixing it in just over a year?

You earned another tenner........

You don't have to go way out of your way to find something to ring up. I wasn't asking to imply the swamp should be empty by now. I was asking for a status report. A almost one year update.

 

[civilwarbuff]

You don't have to go way out of your way to find something to ring up.

I didn't; I just lower the bar for some.....wouldn't want you to leave without at least a participation trophy.......

 

[Razeontherock]

You don't have to go way out of your way to find something to ring up. I wasn't asking to imply the swamp should be empty by now. I was asking for a status report. A almost one year update.

The update is the Courts have opposed Trump every step of the way. Some of that he brought upon himself with Ill advised moves, but most of that is pure politics. Meaning the swamp is far bigger than Trump envisioned.

You do know what it means that the chickens will come home to roost?

 

[Bull of the Woods]

Well I have had my own flocks for 40 years almost. I keep thinking of maybe a certain New York real estate guy's out there on their way in!

 

[civilwarbuff]

The update is the Courts have opposed Trump every step of the way. Some of that he brought upon himself with Ill advised moves, but most of that is pure politics. Meaning the swamp is far bigger than Trump envisioned.

You do know what it means that the chickens will come home to roost?

Well, we know the 4th and especially the 9th Circuit courts are leftist unto death.....they sold their souls a long time ago which is why the left continually runs to them for court actions.......

 

[Razeontherock]

Well I have had my own flocks for 40 years almost. I keep thinking of maybe a certain New York real estate guy's out there on their way in!

He's "out there on their way in?" Ya lost me.

The expression refers to DC denizens (the swamp) simply outlasting an administration they don't like, and controlling things anyway. Which is why the same agenda has been advanced regardless who took office. For the most part.

So the valid question becomes: does that status quo still hold? I think it's clear Trump has at least tried to change it. Equally clear is that he doesn't control the Senate.

 

[Mike]

I imagine the swamp is hard to drain with all the decomposing whitewater bodies clogging up the valve. I've long since given up hope that HRC will pay for her sins to our country, but if anyone can make it happen, it's Trump. Just seeing her smug face contorted with concern would be of some solace at this point. Seeing that as she's being escorted out of a courtroom in cuffs would be best.

 

[Bull of the Woods]

He's "out there on their way in?" Ya lost me.

The expression refers to DC denizens (the swamp) simply outlasting an administration they don't like, and controlling things anyway. Which is why the same agenda has been advanced regardless who took office. For the most part.

So the valid question becomes: does that status quo still hold? I think it's clear Trump has at least tried to change it. Equally clear is that he doesn't control the Senate.

 

[Bull of the Woods]

So, what is the swamp again?

 

[Razeontherock]

So, what is the swamp again?

Fighting it would be more effective if it were better defined. I'm certainly not the person to do that but I can point out a few areas it includes: Ike warned us of the MIC, and the intelligence community as a whole is outrageously corrupt. I don't think those two areas are usually considered; that's a mistake.

I don't really know either the individuals or even the positions in DC that have a tenure that typically spans several administrations. Trump got rid of a lot of that, with much scorn re: not having the expected number of staff. I have no idea if that has contributed to his inability to advance more of his agenda.

Lobbyists, and the entire lobbying industry is an evil you have seen me repeatedly decry. No reason not to consider them swamp dwellers. I would add money in politics to the list, but that's too vague and not personal enough, lol.

Do you have other ideas of where lingering corruption hides?

 

[Bull of the Woods]

Buying things. Like Carson's $31,000 table. What overruns are allowed on any government building projects. I don't know if this still happens but I knew a small hardware store that somehow got a contract to sell hand tools to a Federal installation near us. Not a huge contract. But they liked it because the government set the prices for specific brands and things like a hammer a smo could buy for $11.99 the government insisted on paying over a hundred dollars for.
My brother in law, a builder, was bidding in building storage sheds on a military post. The government supplied the drawings. He didn't get the contract but knew who did. They were paid multitudes of what they would charge anyone else AND my brother in law said the design stunk and it would not meet specs if on a private property. It would have been better to just order a bunch delivered from Home Depot or some Amish shed company.
I did a spell when young installing overhead steel rolling warehouse doors. The company got a contract for a bunch of doors on a new storage facility at Ft. Meade. I was making about $5 an hour back then but part of the contract stipulated I would be paid at some government rated super mechanic salary and during that job my company paid me pushing $30 an hour. They didn't mind because the money was rolling in from Uncle Sam.

 

[Razeontherock]

Wishing I could post a link, YouTube of Independence Day saying government doesn't really pay $500 for a toilet seat, as they enter the uber-expensive secret portion of area 51. A great moment in cinema that seems fitting here.

I haven't heard of Carson's $31,000 table, but of course I agree with your premise as well as your list of examples, this is all government corruption. The problem is it's still hiding. (Google-fu reveals some controversy over whether Carson even knew the dining room set was ordered, and cancelling the purchase. Or trying to)

How to fix it? I'm not sure labelling it "the swamp" fixes anything, but we could hope the direct confrontation might make at least some guilty parties less brazen? Slow down their activities a little.

You raised the question of exactly who is the swamp, and the more specific we can get, the better. We grew up with "everybody" complaining about "them," and asking what's gone wrong with our country. We've found some answers, but not enough.

Something I didn't address at all is Congress itself. Bills never just contain what their title purports to accomplish, they always have budget concerns attached. Which are always "pork barrel expenditures," unless they're for "my constituents." Obviously the solution to this is to strip bills down to a single issue, and let them pass or fail on actual merit. Bill Clinton had a great idea with the line item veto.

I'm not ready to call Congress critters the swamp because we know who they are and they answer to us. I also wonder if shadow government isn't a more apt term.

 

[Bull of the Woods]

https://twitter.com/x/status/839433951957696513

He recognized International Women's Day today. God bless him. McDonald's turned the M on its sign upside down to commemorate "W" for the occasion and at their stores all over the world. That took some effort.

Trump tweets as a strategy. Read his books. He knows exactly what he's doing playing this game.That's why the swamp things are so opposed to his being in office. He's unlike anyone who's been there before. Unable to be persuaded by money inducements, unable to be threatened. This is a man that puts his surname on all the buildings he's created around the world as a legacy of his family name and image. Now he's in the White house that was built by history. And his name is in the history books for all time. He's not going to drop the ball in this endeavor. If he didn't think he was the man for the job he wouldn't have run for the office.

God bless him.

If he didn't think he was the man for the job he wouldn't have run?

 

[Razeontherock]

So on the "Carson's $31,000 table" thing, there's an interesting interview of it on slate.com. I'm not familiar with the source or their bias, (all sources are biased, we no longer have any legitimate journalism) but they certainly aren't hard right wing or supportive of Trump. Some worthwhile perspective on the issue though.

 

[Bull of the Woods]

I am not too up in arms on the table. It could be some underlings doing. Maybe it's a really nice table.
Mine is an antique. Maybe a couple hundred bucks!

 

[th1b.taylor]

I've never done Twitter. I think it's a generational gap thing. I tried on 3 or 4 occasions and quickly deleted the app because I didn't understand it. I'm on again for 5 days now, which is a personal best. I did it, bc I wanted to see all of Trump's tweets; not just the cherry-picked ones the media makes a big deal about.

Most all of what I've seen from him makes perfect sense. They are pro-USA and what needs to be said. And he tweets a lot. I wonder if it's really him who thumbs them in or a staffer. I'm confident they're his words. To me, this is a good way for POTUS to stay plugged in.

Anyone who says he disrespects the Oval Office by being on Twitter likely only sees what the media wants you to see or they are an anti-Trump liberal. If it's the latter, you should remember that it was your Bill Clinton who followed up truly presidential Bush by going on MTV and answering teen questions like "what kind of underwear do you wear?".

What do you think of Trump on Twitter?

He connects with us and avoidsthe need to combat the lies of the MSM. It's a good thing.

 

[Razeontherock]

I am not too up in arms on the table. It could be some underlings doing. Maybe it's a really nice table.
Mine is an antique. Maybe a couple hundred bucks!

It was (pretty sure that's past tense now) a whole set of dining room furniture and yes, very nice.

As a total aside, the closest my family was to money was a couple Great Aunts who never married, and inherited from people (Dad? (Grandfather?) who bought the proverbial NYC property from Indians for beads, and built a once-famous department store on it. The one that lived longer had a dining room set similar to this one that a President wanted to buy and put in a museum. It was inlaid with gold while the tree was still alive, so it would grow into the final design in a way that could never be made otherwise. It was willed to Mom who still owns it, or what's left of it.

My Sister knocked a music stand over on the table, scratching it deeply and ruining the value of the whole set. The further damage since? SMH but it did instill down to earth values in me. Aunt Floss should've sold it and let it go to a museum!

Will we see what Ben Carson does, if he keeps the old set complained of as "unsafe?" This is really the only thing I've heard of him since the election.

 

[Bull of the Woods]

I am from the Baltimore area and he was top notch as a surgeon and very active in increasing scholastic opportunities for kids in the city.
I prefer him as he was before running for president and subsequently joining the cabinet. I really have no idea what he has done there. I hope it's good.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Buying things. Like Carson's $31,000 table. What overruns are allowed on any government building projects. I don't know if this still happens but I knew a small hardware store that somehow got a contract to sell hand tools to a Federal installation near us. Not a huge contract. But they liked it because the government set the prices for specific brands and things like a hammer a smo could buy for $11.99 the government insisted on paying over a hundred dollars for.
My brother in law, a builder, was bidding in building storage sheds on a military post. The government supplied the drawings. He didn't get the contract but knew who did. They were paid multitudes of what they would charge anyone else AND my brother in law said the design stunk and it would not meet specs if on a private property. It would have been better to just order a bunch delivered from Home Depot or some Amish shed company.
I did a spell when young installing overhead steel rolling warehouse doors. The company got a contract for a bunch of doors on a new storage facility at Ft. Meade. I was making about $5 an hour back then but part of the contract stipulated I would be paid at some government rated super mechanic salary and during that job my company paid me pushing $30 an hour. They didn't mind because the money was rolling in from Uncle Sam.

Hey, I guess we could all be like you and just throw up our hands and quit........