Truthful predictions

[RandyK]

Thanks, but none of that answers the question asked. I'd simply like to know if this board contains any examples of any poster making a prediction s/he's based on Bible prophecy that has happened when that poster said it would. Nothing more is requested at this time.

Yes, but you certainly avoid engaging in any conversation about it. There is an historical background behind such questions being asked.

If you're asking if people are making "crystal ball predictions," most definitely some Christians engage in this (without the "crystal ball"). The Bible isn't into this kind of "on demand" type of consorting with witches or mediums. Automatic writing, ouga boards, or any kind of sooth-saying is out biblically. And yet, many Christians who are interested in prophecy cross the line by trying to predict "what will happen next."

Certainly God gives prophecies, dreams, and visions. But it isn't to satisfy the thirst of the "flesh" for appearing to have a knowledge of things so as to "win the lottery" or be the source of "all things prophetic."

Your questions appear to be so limiting as to be answering themselves--your agenda is to prove a carnal display of "prophesying" is fake or occultic, it seems. And I wouldn't disagree with that, if that's the case.

But again, you wish to separate yourself so much from the background that it's difficult to tell what you want? You've already been given examples of people predicting Trump's victory.

I, for one, have drawn attention to the "Singing Prophet" prediction, made back in 2007 of Trump's 2-term presidency. https://charismanews.com/news/kim-clements-two-term-trump-prophecies-fulfilled/ Doesn't this qualify?

 

[Josheb]

Yes, but you certainly avoid engaging in any conversation about it.

Ad hominem noted.

 

[JLB]

I notice this board has posts that go back to 2012. Can any of you cite a specific prediction any forum member has posted since then that has come true?

I have a prediction about the rapture.


The resurrection and rapture occur at the coming of the Lord.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15

 

[RandyK]

Ad hominem noted.

It was not intended as such. I'm questioning why you place so many limits on how others answer your questions, as if to pursue a particular answer. In other words, you *appear* to be trying to answer your own question.

I answered your question directly with a specific example. And your response is to get defensive, avoiding my example entirely. If you think pointing this out is insulting to you, then you can go on and characterize it any way you want, wrong or right.

 

[miamited]

Hi RandyK

For some, ad hominem has become akin to the use of false news. Anything that someone doesn't like or agree with is an ad hominem attack. Just as any report someone doesn't like or agree with in the media is false news.

ad ho·mi·nem

1. (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining:
   
   
   
   
   Apparently Josheb believes that if you use pronouns to refer to someone that it then becomes an attack against the person rather than the issue. Personally, I don't think he even understands what the term ad hominem actually means, so I've posted the definition for him. I honestly didn't see the ad hominem in your post that he quoted. Perhaps he'd be good enough to point it out to us.

 

[RandyK]

Hi RandyK

For some, ad hominem has become akin to the use of false news. Anything that someone doesn't like or agree with is an ad hominem attack. Just as any report someone doesn't like or agree with in the media is false news.

ad ho·mi·nem

1. (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining:
   
   
   
   
   Apparently Josheb believes that if you use pronouns to refer to someone that it then becomes an attack against the person rather than the issue. Personally, I don't think he even understands what the term ad hominem actually means, so I've posted the definition for him. I honestly didn't see the ad hominem in your post that he quoted. Perhaps he'd be good enough to point it out to us.

Well for some use of the "ad hominem" argument is just a diversion away from a losing argument. For some it isn't a conscious strategy, but just a sense that someone doesn't like the opinion.

Obviously, there are very real "ad hominem" attacks, and they are quite apparent. Calling someone insulting names is an example. Sarcasm can also accomplish the same, basically calling someone "stupid." But we all should put up with a little disagreement, even if it isn't done with perfect tone and grace. ;)

So when I fight back against an "ad hominem" accusion, I tend to fall into the trap, by looking even more "disagreeable." ;) The best I can do is do what you do, which is explain the difference...

Thanks!

 

[miamited]

Hi RandyK

Well, hopefully Josheb will entertain my question and tell us what it was exactly that you said in your post that was an ad hominem attack on him and not his position.

 

[Josheb]

I have a prediction about the rapture.


The resurrection and rapture occur at the coming of the Lord.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15

That is a doctrinal statement, not a prediction. If, on the other hand, a date period of time was specified, then that would be a prediction.

• The resurrection and the rapture co-occur at Christ's coming and that will happen next week.
• The resurrection and the rapture co-occur at Christ's coming and that will happen before next month.
• The resurrection and the rapture co-occur at Christ's coming and that will happen within the next year
• The resurrection and the rapture co-occur at Christ's coming and that will happen by 2030.

Those are predictions, and it is about those types of posts this op is inquiring. Anyone know of any op in this board that has correctly predicted anything eschatological?

 

[Follower Of Christ]

Those are predictions, and it is about those types of posts this op is inquiring. Anyone know of any op in this board that has correctly predicted anything eschatological?

I thought it was understood in my original answer to your beginning post that Amos 7 through 9 has eschatological implications.

The house of Jeroboam in Amos 7 is the Trump dynasty and it's the last dynasty to head US and Western World until US topples down. God has set a plumb line amongst His people Israel and has decreed a final warning with Donald J Trump's reelection. Some shall heed the warning, some shall not. I have talked elsewhere in this forum about what the plumb line is etc so I am not going to repeat it here.

This post definitely answers your OP. If you have other questions, please start a new thread. Also keep in mind that a lot of faithful in Christ in this forum are wondering (including me) about the motives for your questions.

Let me say that biblical prophecy especially eschatological is heavy business and God has issued all the core prophecies in the OT and NT. All we can do at this age is interpret those prophecies the best we can and sometimes come up with a prediction. But if you think you are going to play chess with God and anticipate His next move you are sadly mistaken. Prophecy is about God always winning and setting His plans in motion at His place and time of choice for the salvation of His people. And the faithful in Christ understand that!

 

[Rodger]

I notice this board has posts that go back to 2012. Can any of you cite a specific prediction any forum member has posted since then that has come true?

Josheb......I will say something that will bring a lot of negative responses especially from my Charismatic. friends.

Biblically speaking, there is no such thing as a "Prophet" or and "Apostle" today!

Without debate, Prophets were foundational to the church. The prophet proclaimed a message from the Lord to the early believers. Sometimes a prophet’s message was revelatory and sometimes a prophet’s message was predictive.

That iis because the early Christians did not have the complete Bible. Some early Christians did not have access to any of the books and letters of the New Testament, and the majority could not read anyway. The New Testament prophets “filled the gap” by proclaiming God’s message to the people who would not have access to it otherwise. The last book of the New Testament was not completed until late in the first century. So, the Lord sent prophets to proclaim God’s Word to His people.

That being the historical record, and since the purpose of a prophet was to reveal truth from God, why would we need prophets if we have the completed revelation from God in the Bible? If prophets were the “foundation” of the early church, are we still building the “foundation” today?

Can God give someone a message to deliver to someone else? Absolutely! Does God reveal truth to someone in a supernatural way and enable that person to deliver that message to others? Absolutely! But is this the biblical gift of prophecy? No.

Now think!!!!!

If and when a person claims to be speaking for God (God spoke to ME and said) the key is to compare what is said with what the Bible has already said! If God were to speak through a person today, it would be in 100% complete agreement with what God has already said in the Bible because God does not contradict Himself and if He did He would be a liar and NO ONE would be saved!

Now, to be an Apostle.... It should be noted that every Apostle was "personally" chosen by Christ . All of Those 12 men were given the task of setting up the foundation of the church.

If we miss or understand that, we completely alter the CONTEXT of Scriptures for personal gain. It was for the universal church that these men were a part of the foundation. The foundation of the church (universal church) was laid in the first century. This is why the office of apostle is no longer functioning.

Then secondly, the original twelve apostles had to be eyewitnesses of Jesus’ resurrection, all who had the gift of the apostle had to have seen the risen Christ. Paul, who was not one of the Twelve, wrote in 1 Corth, 9:1.......
"Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are not you my workmanship in the Lord?

 

[Rodger]

That is a doctrinal statement, not a prediction. If, on the other hand, a date period of time was specified, then that would be a prediction.

• The resurrection and the rapture co-occur at Christ's coming and that will happen next week.
• The resurrection and the rapture co-occur at Christ's coming and that will happen before next month.
• The resurrection and the rapture co-occur at Christ's coming and that will happen within the next year
• The resurrection and the rapture co-occur at Christ's coming and that will happen by 2030.

Those are predictions, and it is about those types of posts this op is inquiring. Anyone know of any op in this board that has correctly predicted anything eschatological?

All of those questions are none Biblical and anyone that responds with a "Time or Date" is not truthful.
“88 Reasons Jesus Is Coming Back in 1988!”
“October 21, 2011, is the end of the world!”
“December 21, 2012, is the end of the world!”
“Jesus is going to return during the year of Jubilee!”
“Jesus is going to return during the next blood-red moon!”

Pronouncements like these surface every few years, and many gullible people make life-altering decisions based on them. The primary reason that date-setting for the end times is wrong is that Jesus told His disciples, in reply to their question about the timing of future things........

Acts 1:7.........
“It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority”.

The date-setting predictions people make have always been wrong. Always.

Date-setting for the end times—and then being proven wrong—also prompts derision from unbelievers..........."See, I told you there was No God"!

 

[RandyK]

Josheb......I will say something that will bring a lot of negative responses especially from my Charismatic. friends.

Biblically speaking, there is no such thing as a "Prophet" or and "Apostle" today!

Without debate, Prophets were foundational to the church. The prophet proclaimed a message from the Lord to the early believers. Sometimes a prophet’s message was revelatory and sometimes a prophet’s message was predictive.

That iis because the early Christians did not have the complete Bible. Some early Christians did not have access to any of the books and letters of the New Testament, and the majority could not read anyway. The New Testament prophets “filled the gap” by proclaiming God’s message to the people who would not have access to it otherwise. The last book of the New Testament was not completed until late in the first century. So, the Lord sent prophets to proclaim God’s Word to His people.

That being the historical record, and since the purpose of a prophet was to reveal truth from God, why would we need prophets if we have the completed revelation from God in the Bible? If prophets were the “foundation” of the early church, are we still building the “foundation” today?

Can God give someone a message to deliver to someone else? Absolutely! Does God reveal truth to someone in a supernatural way and enable that person to deliver that message to others? Absolutely! But is this the biblical gift of prophecy? No.

Now think!!!!!

If and when a person claims to be speaking for God (God spoke to ME and said) the key is to compare what is said with what the Bible has already said! If God were to speak through a person today, it would be in 100% complete agreement with what God has already said in the Bible because God does not contradict Himself and if He did He would be a liar and NO ONE would be saved!

Now, to be an Apostle.... It should be noted that every Apostle was "personally" chosen by Christ . All of Those 12 men were given the task of setting up the foundation of the church.

If we miss or understand that, we completely alter the CONTEXT of Scriptures for personal gain. It was for the universal church that these men were a part of the foundation. The foundation of the church (universal church) was laid in the first century. This is why the office of apostle is no longer functioning.

Then secondly, the original twelve apostles had to be eyewitnesses of Jesus’ resurrection, all who had the gift of the apostle had to have seen the risen Christ. Paul, who was not one of the Twelve, wrote in 1 Corth, 9:1.......
"Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are not you my workmanship in the Lord?

My "negative" response here need not be viewed too "negatively." ;) I simply disagree with you. God hasn't changed from the time He set up the Church, using apostles and prophets. He would be no different today in managing His Church, although obviously circumstances are different.

When the Church was 1st being set up, God chose 12 Apostles in Israel because at that time only Israel was "God's People," and Jesus determined to begin with Israel in the Gospel of Salvation. Those Apostles were specially trained to accurately present what Jesus lived and said so that the record would be pure.

But those Apostles were no different than the Church Fathers that followed or leaders in Reformations and Revivals, or in major missionary movements. It's not the title that is central but the office in which God calls someone.

When Miriam and Aaron challenged their brother Moses they were rebuked, not because Moses was more perfect than them but only because God gave Moses an office in which he came to represent God Himself in that office. Similarly today, when one is called to an office or ministry, or to an anointed position, that person even in his imperfection represents God.

We should then not commit to some kind of Dispensational separation between leaders in the early Church and leaders in the endtimes Church. The point is, God is still calling leaders, including prophetic leaders.

If you haven't experienced it, perhaps it is because you have a bias against it? Why not just be open to whatever God wants to do, and ensure it aligns with Scriptural truth?

That being said, I agree with your sense that dates should generally not be given, except in exceptional cases. We were told to avoid dating schemes, although there is nothing wrong with speculating over various future developments based on Scriptural prophecies. This is not prophecy, but speculation.