Truthful predictions

[Hidden In Him]

There is no sense that the "word of God has ever been completed." The Scripture canon came to a point where there came to be no more need for preserving the fundamental truths of the original Christian faith. But the word of God lives on in the Church even today, and never excludes the ministry of a prophet.

I agree, Randy. Some could argue that the canon was officially decided upon in the fourth century, but even that's 300 years after the apostles wrote what we now know as the New Testament, and the supernatural gifts continued to be in operation during those intervening years. Others place the official declaration of the canon in the 1600s, and yet others say the canon has never officially been closed to this day; that church bodies still declare what books are to be honored and which ones are not.

All that makes it exceedingly difficult to pinpoint exactly when the gifts ceased, or were supposed to have, and if an exact date cannot be set then it's an argument that cannot be refuted, since the exact "date" at which they stopped is mysteriously vague.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I think also sometimes people want immediate clear direction from God as to what they should do in one situation or another, and they think that prophets would enable them to do that. But we never see prophets doing that kind of thing in the Old Testament. Their message is always more general, unless they're confronting a specific sin by a specific king"say, Nathan with David. But other than that, we don't see prophets speaking to the individual concerns of people at large.

Greetings Roger, and blessings in Christ. I'd have to disagree with your contention here, as Elijah was a prophet and prophesied over the life of the widow of Zeraphath in 1 Kings 17. This was not merely a prophecy related to Israel but also to her personal life and that of her son, whom she feared was about to die of starvation:

8 Then the word of the Lord came to him, saying, 9 “Arise, go to Zarephath, which belongs to Sidon, and dwell there. See, I have commanded a widow there to provide for you.” 10 So he arose and went to Zarephath. And when he came to the gate of the city, indeed a widow was there gathering sticks. And he called to her and said, “Please bring me a little water in a cup, that I may drink.” 11 And as she was going to get it, he called to her and said, “Please bring me a morsel of bread in your hand.”

12 So she said, “As the Lord your God lives, I do not have bread, only a handful of flour in a bin, and a little oil in a jar; and see, I am gathering a couple of sticks that I may go in and prepare it for myself and my son, that we may eat it, and die.” 13 And Elijah said to her, “Do not fear; go and do as you have said, but make me a small cake from it first, and bring it to me; and afterward make some for yourself and your son. 14 For thus says the Lord God of Israel: ‘The bin of flour shall not be used up, nor shall the jar of oil run dry, until the day the Lord sends rain on the earth.’ ”

15 So she went away and did according to the word of Elijah; and she and he and her household ate for many days. 16 The bin of flour was not used up, nor did the jar of oil run dry, according to the word of the Lord which He spoke by Elijah.

There are also the personal words which Joseph spoke to the Pharaoh's servants in Genesis 40.

1 It came to pass after these things that the butler and the baker of the king of Egypt offended their lord, the king of Egypt. 2 And Pharaoh was angry with his two officers, the chief butler and the chief baker. 3 So he put them in custody in the house of the captain of the guard, in the prison, the place where Joseph was confined. 4 And the captain of the guard charged Joseph with them, and he served them; so they were in custody for a while. 5 Then the butler and the baker of the king of Egypt, who were confined in the prison, had a dream, both of them, each man’s dream in one night and each man’s dream with its own interpretation. 6And Joseph came in to them in the morning and looked at them, and saw that they were sad. 7 So he asked Pharaoh’s officers who were with him in the custody of his lord’s house, saying, “Why do you look so sad today?” 8 And they said to him, “We each have had a dream, and there is no interpreter of it.” So Joseph said to them, “Do not interpretations belong to God? Tell them to me, please.” 9 Then the chief butler told his dream to Joseph, and said to him, “Behold, in my dream a vine was before me, 10 and in the vine were three branches; it was as though it budded, its blossoms shot forth, and its clusters brought forth ripe grapes. 11 Then Pharaoh’s cup was in my hand; and I took the grapes and pressed them into Pharaoh’s cup, and placed the cup in Pharaoh’s hand.” 12 And Joseph said to him, “This is the interpretation of it: The three branches are three days. 13 Now within three days Pharaoh will lift up your head and restore you to your place, and you will put Pharaoh’s cup in his hand according to the former manner, when you were his butler. 14 But remember me when it is well with you, and please show kindness to me; make mention of me to Pharaoh, and get me out of this house. 15 For indeed I was stolen away from the land of the Hebrews; and also I have done nothing here that they should put me into the dungeon.”

16 When the chief baker saw that the interpretation was good, he said to Joseph, “I also was in my dream, and there were three white baskets on my head. 17 In the uppermost basket were all kinds of baked goods for Pharaoh, and the birds ate them out of the basket on my head.” 18 So Joseph answered and said, “This is the interpretation of it: The three baskets are three days. 19 Within three days Pharaoh will lift off your head from you and hang you on a tree; and the birds will eat your flesh from you.” 20 Now it came to pass on the third day, which was Pharaoh’s birthday, that he made a feast for all his servants; and he lifted up the head of the chief butler and of the chief baker among his servants. 21 Then he restored the chief butler to his butlership again, and he placed the cup in Pharaoh’s hand. 22 But he hanged the chief baker, as Joseph had interpreted to them. 23 Yet the chief butler did not remember Joseph, but forgot him. (Genesis 40:1-22)

 

[RandyK]

Thanks, but most of that is off topic and whether it will "bring a lot of negative responses" or not is irrelevant. If facts provoke folks then that's on them not the one observing the fact(s).


It is a fact there are ops in this board that make predictions that never came true.


Everyone, regardless of their theological/eschatological orientation/affiliation can objectively look at those examples and acknowledge say to themselves, "That did not happen as stated," and there's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't say that. There's also no reason why we couldn't/shouldn't discuss what to do about them. That's all this op is about.

The point you're making has already been invalidated, unless you're simply trying to point out that *some* predictions failed to come true. I've already suggested that there have been those like myself who have pointed to the prophecies of the Singing Prophet, Kim Clement.

If you will listen to his 2007 prophecy of Trump becoming President, at a time when he had not even declared, that he predicted 2 terms, and not just 1 term, and that he predicted Trump would be a strong figure, who is impeached, you might want to re-word your claim that *all prophecies mentioned on this forum have been false.*

Or, did you mean to say something else? I've had trouble being perfectly clear about what your claim is?

Here is part of the prophecy:

 

[Rodger]

Greetings Roger, and blessings in Christ. I'd have to disagree with your contention here, as Elijah was a prophet and prophesied over the life of the widow of Zeraphath in 1 Kings 17. This was not merely a prophecy related to Israel but also to her personal life and that of her son, whom she feared was about to die of starvation:

8 Then the word of the Lord came to him, saying, 9 “Arise, go to Zarephath, which belongs to Sidon, and dwell there. See, I have commanded a widow there to provide for you.” 10 So he arose and went to Zarephath. And when he came to the gate of the city, indeed a widow was there gathering sticks. And he called to her and said, “Please bring me a little water in a cup, that I may drink.” 11 And as she was going to get it, he called to her and said, “Please bring me a morsel of bread in your hand.”

12 So she said, “As the Lord your God lives, I do not have bread, only a handful of flour in a bin, and a little oil in a jar; and see, I am gathering a couple of sticks that I may go in and prepare it for myself and my son, that we may eat it, and die.” 13 And Elijah said to her, “Do not fear; go and do as you have said, but make me a small cake from it first, and bring it to me; and afterward make some for yourself and your son. 14 For thus says the Lord God of Israel: ‘The bin of flour shall not be used up, nor shall the jar of oil run dry, until the day the Lord sends rain on the earth.’ ”

15 So she went away and did according to the word of Elijah; and she and he and her household ate for many days. 16 The bin of flour was not used up, nor did the jar of oil run dry, according to the word of the Lord which He spoke by Elijah.

There are also the personal words which Joseph spoke to the Pharaoh's servants in Genesis 40.

1 It came to pass after these things that the butler and the baker of the king of Egypt offended their lord, the king of Egypt. 2 And Pharaoh was angry with his two officers, the chief butler and the chief baker. 3 So he put them in custody in the house of the captain of the guard, in the prison, the place where Joseph was confined. 4 And the captain of the guard charged Joseph with them, and he served them; so they were in custody for a while. 5 Then the butler and the baker of the king of Egypt, who were confined in the prison, had a dream, both of them, each man’s dream in one night and each man’s dream with its own interpretation. 6And Joseph came in to them in the morning and looked at them, and saw that they were sad. 7 So he asked Pharaoh’s officers who were with him in the custody of his lord’s house, saying, “Why do you look so sad today?” 8 And they said to him, “We each have had a dream, and there is no interpreter of it.” So Joseph said to them, “Do not interpretations belong to God? Tell them to me, please.” 9 Then the chief butler told his dream to Joseph, and said to him, “Behold, in my dream a vine was before me, 10 and in the vine were three branches; it was as though it budded, its blossoms shot forth, and its clusters brought forth ripe grapes. 11 Then Pharaoh’s cup was in my hand; and I took the grapes and pressed them into Pharaoh’s cup, and placed the cup in Pharaoh’s hand.” 12 And Joseph said to him, “This is the interpretation of it: The three branches are three days. 13 Now within three days Pharaoh will lift up your head and restore you to your place, and you will put Pharaoh’s cup in his hand according to the former manner, when you were his butler. 14 But remember me when it is well with you, and please show kindness to me; make mention of me to Pharaoh, and get me out of this house. 15 For indeed I was stolen away from the land of the Hebrews; and also I have done nothing here that they should put me into the dungeon.”

16 When the chief baker saw that the interpretation was good, he said to Joseph, “I also was in my dream, and there were three white baskets on my head. 17 In the uppermost basket were all kinds of baked goods for Pharaoh, and the birds ate them out of the basket on my head.” 18 So Joseph answered and said, “This is the interpretation of it: The three baskets are three days. 19 Within three days Pharaoh will lift off your head from you and hang you on a tree; and the birds will eat your flesh from you.” 20 Now it came to pass on the third day, which was Pharaoh’s birthday, that he made a feast for all his servants; and he lifted up the head of the chief butler and of the chief baker among his servants. 21 Then he restored the chief butler to his butlership again, and he placed the cup in Pharaoh’s hand. 22 But he hanged the chief baker, as Joseph had interpreted to them. 23 Yet the chief butler did not remember Joseph, but forgot him. (Genesis 40:1-22)

And all of those are in the Old Test. when God did speak through His prophets. I assumed that we were speaking of Prophets TODAY.

 

[Josheb]

The point you're making has already been invalidated....

The posts here prove otherwise.

, unless you're simply trying to point out that *some* predictions failed to come true.

Trump winning is not biblical prophecy, and Kim Clements was wrong. Trump was not and is not a two-term president. He is a twice one-term president. That's not what Clements predicted. Furthermore, this op stipulates predictions the posters in this board have made, not predictions made by non-members of the forum. If the op were about non-members this thread would fill up with predictions made by radio preachers and book writers galore. Nothing in the Bible pertains to American presidents of the 21st century. Modern futurists, like Dispensational Premillennialists, often misuse scripture to say otherwise, but that has little specifically to do with this op. As far as the testimony of the participants in this thread goes, there are no biblical end times predictions in this board that have come true.

Here is part of the prophecy: [link removed for the sake of space]

That's not biblical end times prediction made by a poster.

 

[Josheb]

You can't listen to what people say regarding what God has said in His Word.

75 pages worth of ops in this board prove otherwise. Al ot of people are, in fact, listening to what people say regarding what God has said in His Word (about the end times).

It is all right there, black ink on white paper.

There are no failed predictions in God's Word, and God's word tells us not to give regard to those who make false predictions and claim their predictions are from God. As someone else observed, it takes only one false prediction to disqualify a person.

Eschatology is one of the most vigorously debated doctrines in Christendom. One of the reasons it is thusly debated is because of the chronic practice of making prognostications that never come true. Most of them are based on the latest newscast, not scripture. That practice reverses the order of authority (subjecting scripture to the newscast, not the other way around, leads to a poor witness (outsiders look at Christians and think we're delusional), and leads to dissociative lives of hypocrisy (because so few live as if what they say is actually going to come true). It's a huge problem but.....


....all I am trying to discern with this op is whether or not there is a post in this board in which an end times prediction by a poster (not God) has actually come true. Nothing more.

 

[RandyK]

The posts here prove otherwise.

Trump winning is not biblical prophecy. Nothing in the Bible pertains to American presidents of the 21st century. Modern futurists, like Dispensational Premillennialists, often misuse scripture to say otherwise, but that has little specifically to do with this op. There are no end times predictions in this board that have come true.

That's not prophecy.

Okay, you've clearified that it is *biblical prophecy* that you believe nobody here has cited as being currently fulfilled and thus is not accurate? I don't know how absurd that kind of claim can be?

Biblical prophecy is *always* being fulfilled, from Jesus' mandate to preach the Gospel to all nations to the inheritance of the Kingdom of God by "another nation," which came to be the Roman inheritance of Chritianity in Europe. Jesus said Israel would be defeated by the Romans in his own generation, leading to an age-long Jewish Diaspora.

How can you say these things have not been cited, or have not been true once mentioned? I certainly have mentioned them, and some of these elements are presupposed by those here who are futurists. They believe and have stated that Israel is in the process of being "saved" politically, as a nation.

The Trump Prophecy was, in fact, a "prophecy," as you can easily see in the link. It was given in 2007, well before Trump even determined to run. It was very accurate in describing Trump himself, whose motives were "hidden" from his detractors, and who would be viewed as sort of a "course" man.

Trump would strengthen America's "walls," which he did in his 1st term, and he would succeed to run for "2 terms"--something many of us doubted would even be fulfilled. And he would restore prosperity to America--something that happened in his 1st term up until the COVID virus hit.

But if you're talking about citing "biblical prophecy" in our day, that is simply a matter of watching history unfold in the pattern Jesus initially described it, as Israel losing its place temporarily until the Gentiles receive the Gospel. We've seen this in European Christianity. And we're now seeing a shift back to Israel's possible inclusion in the Christian Gospel.

If you're looking to judge those who are trying to be more "specific" in describing things the Bible predicted, I can see your point. Identifying a certain person as "the Antichrist" would be an example of "failed" biblical predictions made by people who want to predict things specifically.

I've seen Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj trying to predict the current Pope as the "False Prophet," and I've seen David Wilkerson trying to predict the US as "Mystery Babylon." But often such "prophecies" are more "biblical predictions" with a prophetic flavor.

The current Pope actually has made a move towards the "False Prophet," although I don't at all think he IS the False Prophet. And I don't think the US is the "Great Whore," although I think under the Biden administration we've definitely taken a step in that direction.

 

[Josheb]

And all of those are in the Old Test. when God did speak through His prophets. I assumed that we were speaking of Prophets TODAY.

We're talking about the posters in this Biblical End Times board, and we're supposed to be talking specifically and exclusively about specific (biblical) end times predictions by forum members that have actually come true.

Nothing else.

This op says nothing about any given eschatology and it's not asking for any discussion of comparative doctrinal views, not any discussion about how the various viewpoints view any given prophecy. This op is, in fact, not asking anything directly about scripture, either. Presumably, in 75 pages of biblical end times posts covering the last twelve years there would be some biblical end times predictions that were accurate.

 

[Consecrated Life]

You can't listen to what people say regarding what God has said in His Word.
It is all right there , black ink on white paper.

75 pages worth of ops in this board prove otherwise. Al ot of people are, in fact, listening to what people say regarding what God has said in His Word (about the

You are right you can listen to what any Joe six-pack prophet's prediction if you care to , but their predictions will only be worth what you pay for them.

 

[Follower Of Christ]

75 pages worth of ops in this board prove otherwise. Al ot of people are, in fact, listening to what people say regarding what God has said in His Word (about the end times).

There are no failed predictions in God's Word, and God's word tells us not to give regard to those who make false predictions and claim their predictions are from God. As someone else observed, it takes only one false prediction to disqualify a person.

Eschatology is one of the most vigorously debated doctrines in Christendom. One of the reasons it is thusly debated is because of the chronic practice of making prognostications that never come true. Most of them are based on the latest newscast, not scripture. That practice reverses the order of authority (subjecting scripture to the newscast, not the other way around, leads to a poor witness (outsiders look at Christians and think we're delusional), and leads to dissociative lives of hypocrisy (because so few live as if what they say is actually going to come true). It's a huge problem but.....


....all I am trying to discern with this op is whether or not there is a post in this board in which an end times prediction by a poster (not God) has actually come true. Nothing more.

Look Josheb, it's true Christ said we do not know the day or the hour, only the Father knows that. Yet we must watch and wait and discern the seasons. We are in end times season that's for sure. From Matthew 24:32-35 “From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away."

Also from Romans 11:25-27 "Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
"and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

Do you see now? Paul focuses on the partial hardening of Jews until the fullness of Gentiles is reached. Well, at end times also Jews shall accept Christ as their Lord and Savior.

Further Christ mentions the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem and tells those who are in Judea to flee to the mountains. In Matthew 24 Christ is specifically talking to the Jews so the Jews must be back in the Promised Land by then again. Further we also know from Daniel that the 70th week is fully reserves for the salvation of the Jews. The 70th week refers to end times. And we are in the season of 70th week.

 

[Josheb]

Okay, you've clearified that it is *biblical prophecy* that you believe nobody here has cited as being currently fulfilled and thus is not accurate? I don't know how absurd that kind of claim can be? Biblical prophecy is *always* being fulfilled, from Jesus' mandate to preach the Gospel to all nations to the inheritance of the Kingdom of God by "another nation," which came to be the Roman inheritance of Chritianity in Europe. Jesus said Israel would be defeated by the Romans in his own generation, leading to an age-long Jewish Diaspora. How can you say these things have not been cited, or have not been true once mentioned?

This isn't about biblical prophesy. This is about claims posters make about biblical prophecy. Big difference.


I believe I gave an example of someone who recently told me either the rapture or the return of Jesus was going to happen in the next eight years. That's a fairly specific prediction. There's no way to tell whether or not that prediction is true, and there won't be any means of doing so until the next eight years has transpired. The moment the next eight years comes to pass EVERYONE can go to that person and unanimously agree that prediction was wrong. It won't be a matter of opinion or debate. It'll be an objectively verified fact: the prediction was wrong. Does that failure mean there's no rapture? No! Does that failure mean Jesus is not coming back? No! All it means is that guy made a false prediction, and he was either lying to everyone or he believed something that wasn't true and tried to persuade everyone else to that effect. I could cite specific examples I've found in this board but that runs the risk of digression and the risk of individuals defending the indefensible.

 

[RandyK]

You are right you can listen to what any Joe six-pack prophet's prediction if you care to , but their predictions will only be worth what you pay for them.

Yes, we're always going to get some off-beat speculative "prophecies." But these are largely exercises in "speculation"--not actual "prophecies."

Of course I haven't been here on this Forum that long, though I've been on forums like this one for over 25 years. I'm very aware of the fact people like to make predictions because the written "word of God" is so reliable. You can virtually predict what God will do next by what He is doing today.

The original post seems to suggest that biblical prophecy was sealed in the past, and that what is happening today in history is vague and detached from specific prophecies such as existed in "biblical times."

Because the background of this question was not discussed thoroughly the murkiness of the question remained--the poster simply put ropes around what he wanted to say, and refused to answer my questions about what he meant. "Just answer the question," he replied.

So I've sort of had to guess what it was he was complaining about, although it seems he does distinguish between ancient biblical prophecy, which was quite specific, from today's prophetic projections, which he thinks is *not* specific. But I don't think God has changed, although God has said in the Scriptures that He seals revelation and vision in times when God's People have compromised their devotion to Him.

So perhaps the evidence is that people are just wildly guessing what will happen next and what is actually "biblical prophecy being fulfilled?" For me, everything happening today is predictable based on biblical prophecy. The continuation of the "4th Kingdom of Nebuchadnezzar's Dream," which is European imperial culture, the continuing oppression of the Jews, along with their survival, the continuing outreach of the Gospel, the formation of over 10 nations out of the old Roman Empire who are turning "antiChristian." I could go on, I'm sure...

 

[Josheb]

You are right you can listen to what any Joe six-pack prophet's prediction if you care to , but their predictions will only be worth what you pay for them.

Which of the posters in this board got paid?

I get the rhetoric (and take some delight in it ), but it's not helpful. Speak plainly to the problem...... op-relevantly (and within the tou because this op is not intended to trash any individual or any specific doctrine). I observe that this op's inquiry has unsettled some and that is a problem in and of itself, but that's not the purpose of the thread. There are twelve pages worth of ops in this board, each of them containing many posts. Of all the predictions posters have posted, which ones have come true in the last twelve years? The number is probably not critical. If there's one correct prediction, then "Yay!" If there's five, or ten then, again, "Yay!" At least someone in the 75 pages worth of ops has been correct. This begs the question,

What are we to do with the fact that there are none, or there are five, or ten, or 75 accurate predictions over the last twelve years?


Great question, but we can't have that conversation until the question asked in this op has been answered and answered correctly.

 

[Follower Of Christ]

Which of the posters in this board got paid?

I get the rhetoric (and take some delight in it ), but it's not helpful. Speak plainly to the problem...... op-relevantly (and within the tou because this op is not intended to trash any individual or any specific doctrine). I observe that this op's inquiry has unsettled some and that is a problem in and of itself, but that's not the purpose of the thread. There are twelve pages worth of ops in this board, each of them containing many posts. Of all the predictions posters have posted, which ones have come true in the last twelve years? The number is probably not critical. If there's one correct prediction, then "Yay!" If there's five, or ten then, again, "Yay!" At least someone in the 75 pages worth of ops has been correct. This begs the question,

What are we to do with the fact that there are none, or there are five, or ten, or 75 accurate predictions over the last twelve years?


Great question, but we can't have that conversation until the question asked in this op has been answered and answered correctly.

Josheb refer to my post #50. Those who understand shall understand. I suggest you take some time to reflect on what I wrote. Be well! I am done with this thread.

 

[RandyK]

This isn't about biblical prophesy. This is about claims posters make about biblical prophecy. Big difference.

This is why you're so confusing to me--this statement is a complete contradiction! If this is "about claims posters make about biblical prophecy," then it is in fact about "biblical prophecy!"

You see, from the start I inquired as to what you meant, but you refused to discuss anything but what *you understood* from your questions. You didn't seem to care how others understood your questions. And this has led to a lot of confusion in my mind about what your intended questions were designed to ask.

believe I gave an example of someone who recently told me either the rapture or the return of Jesus was going to happen in the next eight years. That's a fairly specific prediction. There's no way to tell whether or not that prediction is true, and there won't be any means of doing so until the next eight years has transpired. The moment the next eight years comes to pass EVERYONE can go to that person and unanimously agree that prediction was wrong. It won't be a matter of opinion or debate. It'll be an objectively verified fact: the prediction was wrong. Does that failure mean there's no rapture? No! Does that failure mean Jesus is not coming back? No! All it means is that guy made a false prediction, and he was either lying to everyone or he believed something that wasn't true and tried to persuade everyone else to that effect. I could cite specific examples I've found in this board but that runs the risk of digression and the risk of individuals defending the indefensible.

Well yes, I know I wrote letters to Chuck Smith back in the late 70s, rejecting his prediction of a Pretrib Rapture. And I later learned he began to predict Christ's Coming in the early 80s, down to the exact year!

If Smith had understood that the Bible predicts the coming of Antichrist 1st before the Rapture then he would not have predicted the Rapture before the Antichrist had even arisen. Of course, this presupposes I'm right about my Postrib view. On the other hand, it became clear Smith, and others like him, have made false predictions that they thought were based on the Bible.

I agree with you on that, though to include "all posters' predictions" as wrong goes far beyond this. For one thing, I'm predicting, based on the Bible, that the Antichristian 10-nation empire in Europe will arise 1st, before the Rapture. And that is both specific and coming true. It is, in fact, been coming true since Daniel 1st foretold it.

 

[hawkman]

I notice this board has posts that go back to 2012. Can any of you cite a specific prediction any forum member has posted since then that has come true?

Moderator speaking here .

Josheb
Above is the OP with the question , but it was not clear to other posters what you wanted to know , so you got unwanted answers .

Let me clarify my question. I am asking about predictions that posters claim scripture makes, not whether or not a poster has predicted something that subsequently happened. For example, I, too, have often said Trump would win the 2024 election but I did so without claiming that is what scripture prophesied. Similarly, since scripture can be made to say just about anything, what was predicted that comes explicitly specified in scripture according to the claims of the ops in this board has come true.

Clarity to what you seek is still hard to grasp here . If it is about what is commonly called "Date setting " please mention it .

We're talking about the posters in this Biblical End Times board, and we're supposed to be talking specifically and exclusively about specific (biblical) end times predictions by forum members that have actually come true.

Josheb , if you could would you start a new thread and post a link here on this thread with EXACTLY what question it is you would want us to answer in the First post and we will try again to answer . This would be helpful I believe .

 

[Consecrated Life]

This isn't about biblical prophesy. This is about claims posters make about biblical prophecy. Big difference.

The prophesized regathering of the nation Israel, with all the connected specific details, is one of the most amazing fulfilled prophecies we are witness to today unfolding right before our eyes.

Jeremiah 30:3
For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.
And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.
For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

 

[miamited]

Hi Consecrated Life

Yes, and much as Daniel prophesied of the very time that Messiah would be with us, God has also given unto us a prophecy of the very time that Israel would become a nation again. It's hard to imagine that anyone doesn't accept that there is one who knows the end from the beginning.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I believe I gave an example of someone who recently told me either the rapture or the return of Jesus was going to happen in the next eight years. That's a fairly specific prediction. There's no way to tell whether or not that prediction is true, and there won't be any means of doing so until the next eight years has transpired. The moment the next eight years comes to pass EVERYONE can go to that person and unanimously agree that prediction was wrong. It won't be a matter of opinion or debate. It'll be an objectively verified fact: the prediction was wrong. Does that failure mean there's no rapture? No! Does that failure mean Jesus is not coming back? No! All it means is that guy made a false prediction, and he was either lying to everyone or he believed something that wasn't true and tried to persuade everyone else to that effect. I could cite specific examples I've found in this board but that runs the risk of digression and the risk of individuals defending the indefensible.

I'm starting to catch on to what you have been getting at with this OP (not that I didn't, but I'm starting to recall some specific "prophets" I've seen on the forums now). We had one guy who would occasionally visit here and he was active elsewhere who insisted the return was by 2026 I think. And I believe he said it was going to be in 2024 before that, but as is usual with the date-setters, they keep moving the goalposts to keep up their deceptions (almost used the word "addictions" there, cuz that's what it seems like).

There is another one - still active elsewhere - who insists that an asteroid that is coming in... I think it's 2032 maybe ... will usher in the Biblical apocalypse. Been teaching it for years. I have approached both those men publicly before are asked what their reaction will be when their prediction proves false. Both got defensive, so I left them to their fate. But yes, once the date has come and gone, they have proven themselves inaccurate, and that is most certainly coming for both those two.