Turn the other cheek ?

[Drew]

can we avoid the gun debate as we know where that will go.

Fair enough. I will not bring the gun issue up again if doing so is otherwise avoidable.

 

[seekandlisten]

I just want to throw out some thoughts to consider. The bible tells us to 'turn the other cheek' and we respond with 'but what if?' The bible is there to guide us. We learn from it and build upon it. The bible lays out the foundation of how to live our lives according to what Jesus taught while he was here on earth. We build upon this foundation.

First, lets look at the question of how one 'turns the other cheek' when their life is threatened. I you truly believe you are 'alive' in Christ you have already died to this world and physical death has no hold over you, plainly put death is not to be feared. What kind of witness does that leave the person who would kill someone that didn't lift a hand in defense? Jesus death moved the 'Gentiles' as they seen a man put to death by his own people for no known crime other then claiming to be their 'messiah'. His death planted the seed that Paul's ministry watered.

Second, in response to the question of what do you do when your family is threatened. Abraham was willing to sacrifice his own son according to what he thought was 'God's will.' If we believe everything happens for a reason why wouldn't we think that if someone we loved was killed by a random act of violence that 'God' didn't have some 'good' planned for it?

These are just random thoughts from a different perspective. The 'reality' of these types of questions is that all we can do is answer them hypothetically unless actually put in said situation. I can't honestly answer that I would idely stand by while my family was being harmed.

 

[Lewis]

You cats have really missed the point, You Are Getting Your Tale Kicked, And Your Wife Is Being Raped, So What Are You Going To Do ? Wow some of you just don't get it. Does the Bible say let them rape your wife, while you stand up there quoting Scripture to the intruder, and telling your wife, honey it's not so bad, he will be through in a minute, just lay still, because remember, I have to turn the other cheek. GIVE ME A BREAK.

 

[GojuBrian]

You cats have really missed the point, You Are Getting Your Tale Kicked, And Your Wife Is Being Raped, So What Are You Going To Do ? Wow some of you just don't get it. Does the Bible say let them rape your wife, while you stand up there quoting Scripture to the intruder, and telling your wife, honey it's not so bad, he will be through in a minute, just lay still, because remember, I have to turn the other cheek. GIVE ME A BREAK.

Lewis, you can't argue someone into having common sense.

We know what the truth is and what a sane person would do to protect their family and what Jesus would have us do to protect our loved ones. Those cats that don't get it, never will apparently.

 

[Lewis]

You cats have really missed the point, You Are Getting Your Tale Kicked, And Your Wife Is Being Raped, So What Are You Going To Do ? Wow some of you just don't get it. Does the Bible say let them rape your wife, while you stand up there quoting Scripture to the intruder, and telling your wife, honey it's not so bad, he will be through in a minute, just lay still, because remember, I have to turn the other cheek. GIVE ME A BREAK.

Lewis, you can't argue someone into having common sense.

We know what the truth is and what a sane person would do to protect their family and what Jesus would have us do to protect our loved ones. Those cats that don't get it, never will apparently.

You are right Brian.

 

[GojuBrian]

I often wonder about those who think the uber-pacifist way. No resistance, no defense of loved ones etc.... What do their wife and kids think about that? Wouldn't you hate to be a young girl in that house? :crazy

"Well, if a goblin breaks in here my daddy is just going to let them have their way with me."

 

[jasoncran]

i wonder if they actually would do that. I cant imigine just standing by and letting someone rape or kill a loved one. They would have to over power me or kill me.

 

[Lewis]

Does the Bible say let them rape your wife, while you stand up there quoting Scripture to the intruder, and telling your wife, honey it's not so bad, he will be through in a minute, just lay still, because remember, I have to turn the other cheek. GIVE ME A BREAK.

Would they really let that scenario, play out up there ?

 

[GojuBrian]

i wonder if they actually would do that. I cant imigine just standing by and letting someone rape or kill a loved one. They would to over power me or kill me.

There's no way a sane person would ever do that. If so, they should be thrown under the jail.

 

[Drew]

You cats have really missed the point, You Are Getting Your Tale Kicked, And Your Wife Is Being Raped, So What Are You Going To Do ? Wow some of you just don't get it. Does the Bible say let them rape your wife, while you stand up there quoting Scripture to the intruder, and telling your wife, honey it's not so bad, he will be through in a minute, just lay still, because remember, I have to turn the other cheek. GIVE ME A BREAK.

You are certainly misrepresenting me, if not others.

The careful reader will know that I never, repeat never, advocated "sitting back and doing nothing".

The only difference between your position on this and mine is that I would fill my house with weaponry in anticipation of this exceedingly unlikely scenario. And even apart from Biblical considerations, there is wisdom in such an approach.

 

[GojuBrian]

You cats have really missed the point, You Are Getting Your Tale Kicked, And Your Wife Is Being Raped, So What Are You Going To Do ? Wow some of you just don't get it. Does the Bible say let them rape your wife, while you stand up there quoting Scripture to the intruder, and telling your wife, honey it's not so bad, he will be through in a minute, just lay still, because remember, I have to turn the other cheek. GIVE ME A BREAK.

You are certainly misrepresenting me, if not others.

The careful reader will know that I never, repeat never, advocated "sitting back and doing nothing".

The only difference between your position on this and mine is that I would fill my house with weaponry in anticipation of this exceedingly unlikely scenario. And even apart from Biblical considerations, there is wisdom in such an approach.

Then please tell us HOW you would defend your family against multiple invaders with weapons intent on doing harm.

 

[jasoncran]

come live in my necks of the woods then in the last five yrs, one attempted murder and one murder that the victim was chopped up and driven to the perps house in TN.

You wear seatbelts despite the low possibility of an accident. You seem to think that we cant wait to kill. We are just saying should the oppurtunity arise this is most likely would be our response. WE may get shot or killed as the intruder may be armed and be more then one of them.

I have my truck broken into at least twice in the past two yrs. I did make it a litte easy for them to do it as i was just away from my truck for a minute in one instance and another my toolbox was insecure. My neighborhood is one of the worst in the county. I see drug dealers on a daily basis sitting at home and waiting for the right person to buy. So that scenerio is most likely for me.

 

[Drew]

And let's all remember, "common sense" is hardly a good guide for the life of the believer. Jesus tells us to do all sorts of things that defy "common sense".

And to reiterate - I cannot speak for others, but I am not advocating "sitting back and reading the Bible to an attacker".

But any argument about being armed in anticipation of "home invasion" is clearly a faulty premise. It is faulty in that it entirely ignores how a weapon might be used for some use other than what might be legitimate self-defence.

 

[GojuBrian]

You cats have really missed the point, You Are Getting Your Tale Kicked, And Your Wife Is Being Raped, So What Are You Going To Do ? Wow some of you just don't get it. Does the Bible say let them rape your wife, while you stand up there quoting Scripture to the intruder, and telling your wife, honey it's not so bad, he will be through in a minute, just lay still, because remember, I have to turn the other cheek. GIVE ME A BREAK.

You are certainly misrepresenting me, if not others.

The careful reader will know that I never, repeat never, advocated "sitting back and doing nothing".

The only difference between your position on this and mine is that I would fill my house with weaponry in anticipation of this exceedingly unlikely scenario. And even apart from Biblical considerations, there is wisdom in such an approach.

Then please tell us HOW you would defend your family against multiple invaders with weapons intent on doing harm.

 

[Drew]

Then please tell us HOW you would defend your family against multiple invaders with weapons intent on doing harm.

I guess with my hands. And I understand that you would have better success with your arsenal of weapons. But, if guns were properly controlled, the bad guys wouldn't have them either.

And, as per my last post, one has to account for the downside of having weapons in the house during the 99.9999 % of the time when there are no people attacking the family.

 

[GojuBrian]

please leave guns out of this. For the sake of clearer debate let's assume guns don't even exist.

So, you would defend yourself against a couple or three grown men armed with knives and clubs with your hands?

 

[Drew]

I live in a city of 1 million people. I cannot remember the last time there were news reports of anybody broke into anybody's house with guns and tried to attack a family. Now I am not saying this has never happened, but there is no doubt it is exceedingly rare. If it is not rare in your environment, that is very sad. But I suggest that the answer to such a threat is not to arm yourself to the teeth but to work at creating a society where such occurrences are exceedingly rare.

Two weeks ago, a police officer was murdered in the city in which I live. This is a city of over 1 million people. Do you want to know the year when the last police officer was murdered?

1982.

 

[jasoncran]

99.999% of the time really? Drew that is a little over the top. Fist vs knife, and you have probalby no expercience in martial arts. My bet that I would be reading about you in the obituary.

I have a neighbor who has guns and has kids, I dont think the he has problems nor some the coworkers that have had one. Is there problems,yes, but i guess those knife problem in Canada, Japan , and Uk means that all sharp objects will need to be banned as well they are more likely to be used on someone then what they are meant to be.
Machetes can be used to kill effectlively as well there are both a tool and a weapon.
One can a fabricate a weapon out of something, bare hands kill too there drew. Hold the rear naked choke long enough and death will follow.

I have known some gun owners that have had issues, but they were cleared as one involved alcohol and that was resolved by the owner going to aa(first offense). Those incidents are rare.
The other i'm not sure on the details.

Does the RCMP carry weapons?

 

[Drew]

please leave guns out of this. For the sake of clearer debate let's assume guns don't even exist.

So, you would defend yourself against a couple or three grown men armed with knives and clubs with your hands?

OK, let's assume guns don't exist. Yes, I would use my bare hand as I suspect the intruders would not give me "a couple of minutes" to gather up a knife or a baseball bat. And since I do not plan on carrying a baseball bat with me everywhere I go, I am not sure what other option there would be in the absence of guns.

 

[Drew]

99.999% of the time really? Drew that is a little over the top.

If anything, this figure is an understatement. Even in your country, I am pretty sure that, on average, people with weapons spend at well over 99.999% of their lives doing something other than battling home invaders.

Fist vs knife, and you have probalby no expercience in martial arts. My bet that I would be reading about you in the obituary.

You are probalby right. But I am not going to spend hours and hourse of my life training for a scenario that is probably as likely to occur as it would be to die in a plane crash.

Does the RCMP carry weapons?

I am pretty sure they do.