Two Options

[guysmith]

For those Christians individuals (those which have placed their faith and trust in Christ and have accepted His sacrifice as the only means of salvation) which find themselves physically alive after the start of the Tribulation period, there will be two options.

1. Venture to God's appointed place-of-safety as described in Revelation 12:6,14.
2. Experience "the rule of the AC."

That's all folks. You are either on the "ark" or in the water. Now you can discuss and debate all the other subjects you want, however, unless these discussions and debates are assisting you in diligently planning to be at God's appointed place-of-safety, you will be experiencing "the rule of the AC." So, if you prefer to experience "the rule of the AC" instead of being alive at Christ's advent, do worry, it will happen sooner than you think.

Guy

 

[NJBeliever]

Revelation Chapter 12 is addressing the nation of Israel which gave physical birth to the man-child who will rule the entire Earth with a rod of iron, Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

For those Christians individuals (those which have placed their faith and trust in Christ and have accepted His sacrifice as the only means of salvation) which find themselves physically alive after the start of the Tribulation period, there will be two options.

1. Venture to God's appointed place-of-safety as described in Revelation 12:6,14.
2. Experience "the rule of the AC."

That's all folks. You are either on the "ark" or in the water. Now you can discuss and debate all the other subjects you want, however, unless these discussions and debates are assisting you in diligently planning to be at God's appointed place-of-safety, you will be experiencing "the rule of the AC." So, if you prefer to experience "the rule of the AC" instead of being alive at Christ's advent, do worry, it will happen sooner than you think.

Guy

Jesus said to flee out of Judea when ye see the abomination of desolation placed there.It is not written that abomination would stand anywhere else so why do you want to flee from the US when Jesus never said too?


Rev 12 is about Israel.Not the US.

 

[jasoncran]

some of revalation isnt in the future, but the past.

remember that the better word for that book is the greek name for it, meaning to reveal as in a statue, that is what the book is about, the return of christ, but that does include his earlier apperances.

satan was cast out of heaven long before the writing of the nt book.

 

[watchman F]

The three responses to O.P. are all stunning in their own way. May God open your eyes before it is too late.

 

[jasoncran]

The three responses to O.P. are all stunning in their own way. May God open your eyes before it is too late.

what, i have read that book several times.

didn't the lord say that he beheld(past tense) satan falling out of the sky?

some say he was kicked out of heaven before the fall, i dont, i think it was the cross that did it.

 

[watchman F]

The three responses to O.P. are all stunning in their own way. May God open your eyes before it is too late.

what, i have read that book several times.

didn't the lord say that he beheld(past tense) satan falling out of the sky?

some say he was kicked out of heaven before the fall, i dont, i think it was the cross that did it.

Paul tells us that satan is the prince of the air, the (g)od of this age. Satan rule over the 2nd Heaven. Yes in times past he was kicked out of the third Heaven to the natural realm. However in Revelation 12 he will be sent to Earth to reign havoc upon the Earth. Remember God is in control satan is nothing more than a pawn.

My real concern is for shilohsfoal, who doesn;t seem to think the US is going to be affected by the Tribulation or that God doesn't have a place of protection here in the US for His church.

 

[jasoncran]

that has happened already, read matthew 4, how could satan give the lord kingdoms that werent his?

hmm , a conundrum for me. i will have to look into the fall of satan from heaven again to be sure.

 

[veteran]

Just what are the orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem planning for? They have the materials ready to build another temple, with even the foundation cornerstone already cut.

What do they plan do in that new temple? To do animal sacrifices and reinstitute the Old Covenant style worship.

Who have those orthodox Jews in Jerusalem been petitioning for funds and joining in with them on those things? Western Christian Churches.

Are there any Christian Churches helping the orthodox Jews in that working today? Yes. Even in Tenn. in the late 1990's there was a company formed called Jesus, Inc. that was found sending hiefers for sacrifice to Israel. There are many Churches that are supporting that movement by sending the orthodox Jews funds, to their own disgrace.

Jerusalem in the last days is going to be 'ground zero' for the world beast operation, for that's where God said He has chosen to dwell forever, which is why Satan greatly wants control of that area. God is going to let him usurp it for a short time, and woe be to those who join in that prior to Christ's coming.

 

[Vic C.]

Just what are the orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem planning for? They have the materials ready to build another temple, with even the foundation cornerstone already cut.

Thay are wasting their time and going directly against the word of God.

What do they plan do in that new temple? To do animal sacrifices and reinstitute the Old Covenant style worship.

Maybe, but to their peril.

Who have those orthodox Jews in Jerusalem been petitioning for funds and joining in with them on those things? Western Christian Churches.

Are there any Christian Churches helping the orthodox Jews in that working today? Yes. Even in Tenn. in the late 1990's there was a company formed called Jesus, Inc. that was found sending hiefers for sacrifice to Israel. There are many Churches that are supporting that movement by sending the orthodox Jews funds, to their own disgrace.

Well. it's one thing to come to their aid in a time of persecution, but I will not aid in building that which has already been built.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
John 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Jerusalem in the last days is going to be 'ground zero' for the world beast operation, for that's where God said He has chosen to dwell forever, which is why Satan greatly wants control of that area. God is going to let him usurp it for a short time, and woe be to those who join in that prior to Christ's coming.

Satan has been in control of Jerusalem ever since "they" rejected their Messiah. Look, there's a Mosque built on what was once hallowed ground!

 

[veteran]

Just what are the orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem planning for? They have the materials ready to build another temple, with even the foundation cornerstone already cut.

Thay are wasting their time and going directly against the word of God.

What do they plan do in that new temple? To do animal sacrifices and reinstitute the Old Covenant style worship.

Maybe, but to their peril.

[quote:1bsew0ge]Who have those orthodox Jews in Jerusalem been petitioning for funds and joining in with them on those things? Western Christian Churches.

Are there any Christian Churches helping the orthodox Jews in that working today? Yes. Even in Tenn. in the late 1990's there was a company formed called Jesus, Inc. that was found sending hiefers for sacrifice to Israel. There are many Churches that are supporting that movement by sending the orthodox Jews funds, to their own disgrace.

Well. it's one thing to come to their aid in a time of persecution, but I will not aid in building that which has already been built.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
John 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Jerusalem in the last days is going to be 'ground zero' for the world beast operation, for that's where God said He has chosen to dwell forever, which is why Satan greatly wants control of that area. God is going to let him usurp it for a short time, and woe be to those who join in that prior to Christ's coming.

Satan has been in control of Jerusalem ever since "they" rejected their Messiah. Look, there's a Mosque built on what was once hallowed ground![/quote:1bsew0ge]


Then why are some Christian Churches supporting them? I know, I've already heard the erroneous idea that if they support that it'll help usher in Christ's coming faster, but that's a cop out. It should be obvious that some of today's Churches are leading their congregations to accept the false messish/antichrist that is going to appear there first prior to our Lord Jesus' coming.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

My real concern is for shilohsfoal, who doesn;t seem to think the US is going to be affected by the Tribulation or that God doesn't have a place of protection here in the US for His church.

It is the church in Judea that will be affected by the antichrist that is there.
Jesus said not to enter Judea during that time.I have no need to go to Judea where the antichrist is nor do I need to leave the US .I only need wait till my lord come after the tribulation of those days to put on incorruption.

No need to have any concern for me.Im in good hands .

 

[veteran]

My real concern is for shilohsfoal, who doesn;t seem to think the US is going to be affected by the Tribulation or that God doesn't have a place of protection here in the US for His church.

It is the church in Judea that will be affected by the antichrist that is there.
Jesus said not to enter Judea during that time.I have no need to go to Judea where the antichrist is nor do I need to leave the US .I only need wait till my lord come after the tribulation of those days to put on incorruption.

No need to have any concern for me.Im in good hands .

I hope you're correct, but because of how Rev.13 shows that beast system is going to cover all nations and peoples on earth, and with the signs today like the EU and proposed North American Union, I don't think we'll escape its working. I see the army at Armageddon coming out of the northern quarters upon the mountains of Israel as involving us in the West also. There's probably as many or even more Jews living in the West today than in the state of Israel.

 

[jasoncran]

more hebrews live in america then the state of isreal.

 

[johnny botwright]

work while you have the light, time to prepare, as darkness/night comes when no man can work.

I still cannot help thinking of the story of Joseph, and how being prewarned, had seven good years to prepare for seven, very hard difficult years.

We see Jesus telling the disciples to pray, knowing the hour was apon them, and they fell a sleep, meanwhile Jesus is sweting beeds of blood in the garden, preparing for the cross, and that which he was about to endure.
Spiritualy we can always do more , thats not to condem anyone, but we have not arrived yet.
practicaly can more be put in place, should more be being put in place, so the church can make the stand it needs to make, and sustain it self, if true as some believe, some christians will go through the tribulation, and still be on the earth when Jesus returns in great power and Glory, with the host of heaven with him.
They will need to survive and sustain them selves spiritualy praticaly, through a very tougth time.

Paul said he had run the race finished his course.
As with an athlete, they train and train and train to prepare for the olympics,like wise a solider going into a war zone.

complacency & causual, will not cut it. the church, christians will need the edge, and to be at the top of their game as it were, fighting fit. prepared to make a stand, and to stand firm, shoulder to shoulder.
one step ahead.
For example will we as christains just sit in the churches until we are taken away, or from our homes, or do we need to form an alliance, networks, a resistance as such?.
or will it just be every man for himself, because nothing eles has been put in place, prepared, no other choice.?

im reminded of the story, of the Spartens who stood agaisnt the might of Pershia,
And the Jews who made an incredable stand on a mountain top.
the storys still tolled to day,

two options prepared unprepared?
johnny

 

[jasoncran]

does that include hiding in caves and withdrawing from society? or going out and being a good witness?

the later seems to be the way to be ready.

 

[johnny botwright]

The SAS are an elite force, that can be in and out of a situation, keeping effective but always on the move.

Jesus taken to Egypt, by Joseph and Mary, who where warned to do so.

Paul lowered in a basket over the wall,

King David, had to keep one step a head of saul.

The Early Church, left the fish sign, for other believers, often had to go to ground, and move.

Like wise recently in China, Russia, Eastern block, under ground churches,

Christain converts having to move in Afghanistan, as the goverment set up and funded by the west are calling for their public execution,

there are people not just christain, who have started farming in remote areas, so they can sustain them selves, it takes about three days for a civalized city? to become very uncivalized,

they are still very much apart of society, but have a safe haven in the back ground, to fall back on.
if the need arises.

we set up safe havens in Africa, so as not to become trapped, when the mobs went on the rampage, killing, burning, raping, looting,
In New Orleans even the police were looting on the fourth day.
in Africa you could be killed just for your provisions.

when it becomes the law of the jungle, mob rule, what happens when the dollar and the euro collapse.?

as people are predicting, riots? the strongest survive ect johnny

 

[watchman F]

My real concern is for shilohsfoal, who doesn;t seem to think the US is going to be affected by the Tribulation or that God doesn't have a place of protection here in the US for His church.

It is the church in Judea that will be affected by the antichrist that is there.
Jesus said not to enter Judea during that time.I have no need to go to Judea where the antichrist is nor do I need to leave the US .I only need wait till my lord come after the tribulation of those days to put on incorruption.

No need to have any concern for me.Im in good hands .

I am afraid you got hold of some false teaching the rule of the anti christ and the persecution of the church will be world wide.

 

[Vic C.]

... Then why are some Christian Churches supporting them? I know, I've already heard the erroneous idea that if they support that it'll help usher in Christ's coming faster, but that's a cop out. It should be obvious that some of today's Churches are leading their congregations to accept the false messish/antichrist that is going to appear there first prior to our Lord Jesus' coming.

What? LOL, no, this is the reason.

Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

 

[jasoncran]

my church support isreal but to my knowledge not the building of the temple

the same verse that vic quoted is used.