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Growth Understanding Baptism ?

NO Water..............


KJB
Gal. 3:
23
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. ( do you see FAITH ?)

27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.( that is not water)

28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.


Baptism is not from the law, but is the Kingdom of God, that John preached.

16 “The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.
Luke 16:16


John the Baptist introduced water Baptism, which is from Heaven and not from man.

Jesus said -

16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. Mark 16:16


Those who don't believe, don't get Baptized.



JLB
 
All scripture is quoted from the NKJV, unless otherwise noted.

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 2 John 9-10 BRG

Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine.
Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.

1 Timothy 4:16

The books of the bible belong to different times........

The whole bible is for us............but the whole bible is not to us........

Genesis - Acts ---- is for the past

Romans - Philemon ........... is for our time [But Now]

Hebrews - Revelation ............. is for the Future
 
You know, people say we ought to be water baptised, because Jesus was. Why? Do you want to be a priest? And why was all the nation of Israel being baptised? Remember the covenant God made with the nation of Israel: “Ye shall be a kingdom of Priests” Exodus 19:6. That’s why water baptism belongs to the nation of Israel.

1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
 
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.


Amen!


Now is the acceptable time!

Today is the Day of Salvation.

Repent and be Baptized for the remission of your sins. Acts 2:38
 
All scripture is quoted from the NKJV, unless otherwise noted.

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 2 John 9-10 BRG

Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine.
Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.

1 Timothy 4:16

The books of the bible belong to different times........

The whole bible is for us............but the whole bible is not to us........

Genesis - Acts ---- is for the past

Romans - Philemon ........... is for our time [But Now]

Hebrews - Revelation ............. is for the Future


Well you started off good.


Then you left the scriptures and the truth, and went back to your own opinion. :drool



JLB
 
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

I Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whetherwe be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

If not for Jews I would not have a record of the gospel message.

Lupus is when body parts are attacked. I desire to never attack anyone because they do not think like me. Have I attacked in the past? Regretfully yes. Might I in the future? Regretfully yes. We are all one new man.

eddif
 
In the Old Covenant only Levites, Priests, and family leaders/heads were allowed to recite scriptures. Also only Priests were the only ones allowed to bring sins to God to ask for forgiveness... Usually on behalf of others. Only Priests could offer other people's sacrifices and offerings to God. A person couldn't do it for himself. (Remember Uzziah)

So now with the priesthood of every believer who has been Baptized we have the right to ask forgiveness of our own sins, recite and explain scriptures, bring offerings and sacrifices to God, and make priests.

The Baptism is the initiation rite of entering the priesthood.
 
You know, people say we ought to be water baptised.....

One of those people is Jesus. Jesus told His disciples to go and "make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you."

So, what Jesus commanded is that all disciples of His be baptized. That should settle it for anyone who claims that Jesus is his lord. (As in Luke 6:46; “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?" NIV) So, the way I see it is: get baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit or don't pretend Jesus is your lord.

Of course, that's just my personal opinion (But what do I know????) and the opinion of the Church for the last 2000 years as well.

l'chaim!!!


iakov the fool
:boing
 
This is from our church : Tom Brusha

BAPTISM and the Nation of Israel




Numbers 4:1And the Lord spake unto Moses and unto Aaron saying, Take the sum of the sons of Kohath from among the sons of Levi, after their families, by the house of their fathers, from thirty years old and upward even up to fifty years old, all that enter into the host, to do the work in the tabernacle of the congregation. This shall be the service of the sons of Kohath.”

This chapter takes all of Aaron’s sons and tells them what responsibilities they have in the Priesthood; the responsibilities that each department will to have to do; and notice that their service for God as a Priest cannot begin until they are thirty years old and are to retire when they are fifty years old. Between 30 and 50 is when a Priest can function in the office of Priest.

Luke 3:21 “Now when all the people were baptised, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptised, and praying, the heaven was opened and the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and the voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in whom I am well pleased. And Jesus himself began to be thirty years of age, being as was supposed….” and he goes through his genealogy.

Now you know Luke tells us that Jesus Christ was baptized “when he began to be thirty years of age”. That must have been right at his thirtieth birthday for him to say it that way. And why would Luke tell us what age Jesus Christ was when he was baptised? Also, at the beginning of verse 21 it says, “Now when all the people were baptised..” All the people here is the nation of Israel and John the Baptist was baptizing the nation of Israel. (By the way, John the Baptist is the son of a priest.) He’s baptizing the nation of Israel and among those that are being baptised in Israel is Jesus Christ. And, Jesus Christ is thirty years of age.

Now we know something about the age thirty don’t we? Look back at Exodus 29:1, “ And this is the thing that thou shalt do unto them to hallow them, to minister unto me in the priest’s office…” That is, here’s how you’re going to consecrate a priest. Here’s what has to happen before they’re initiated into the priesthood:

“…Take one young bullock, and two rams without blemish, And unleavened bread, and cakes unleavened tempered with oil, and wafers unleavened anointed with oil: of wheaten flour shalt thou make them. And thou shalt put them into one basket, and bring them in the basket , with the bullock and the two rams. And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water.”

Now ultimately this bullock and all this meat offering they’re putting together is going to be burnt as a sacrifice. When they were told there to take that bullock and the two rams did you notice it said without blemish? Remember when Jesus Christ was baptized what God the Father announced? This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased. There’s no blemish in Jesus Christ. Jesus represents all those sacrifices. He doesn’t need a sacrifice on his behalf as an offer to be a priest because he has no blemish. God looks down and says, this is my beloved son in whom I’m well pleased. He didn’t say that about anyone else in the Bible. This sacrifice in Exodus 29 is a type of the Lord Jesus Christ. It then says in verse 4 to take Aaron and his sons and bring them to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and “shalt wash them with water”. They are to be taken before everybody, with all the congregation in attendance, and before they can enter in, Aaron and his sons are to be washed with water. That’s water baptism in the old testament.

Now why are they washing them with water? This is part of the anointing of them for the office of a priest! Jesus Christ was baptised when he was thirty years old. You know why he was baptised? Because he became Israel’s high priest. He’s going to be the means by which Israel has a way unto God. The Book of Hebrews talks about Jesus Christ being their high priest. Christ means anointed one: the anointed prophet; priest, and king of the nation of Israel. And to be their priest, at thirty years old he stands at the door of the congregation, and he’s washed with water before all the people.

You know, people say we ought to be water baptised, because Jesus was. Why? Do you want to be a priest? And why was all the nation of Israel being baptised? Remember the covenant God made with the nation of Israel: “Ye shall be a kingdom of Priests” Exodus 19:6. That’s why water baptism belongs to the nation of Israel.
what you just gave was one man opinion which has nothing to say water baptism is not necessary--your confused once again no body said water baptism cleanse { This sacrifice in Exodus 29 is a type of the Lord Jesus Christ. It then says in verse 4 to take Aaron and his sons and bring them to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and “shalt wash them with water”. They are to be taken before everybody, with all the congregation in attendance, and before they can enter in, Aaron and his sons are to be washed with water. That’s water baptism in the old testament.} then why was Christ baptized ?
 
I will try.

What happened in the old times.
1. Was a hidden statement of what the Messiah / Jesus Christ would be like (prophets usually ?).
2. Was a shadow of things to come (not real clear but a hint at least of kinda what was coming).
3. Was a way to identify sin (the Law, and used lawfully - written in hearts and minds - still does its job, but does not provide righteousness).
4. Provides a TYPE of things to come (a little clearer picture). IMHO Joseph, of Egypt, had a lot of close hints of Christ's life.
5. A listing of what not to do. Not complain, etc.
6. Creation speaks of things of God and especially Godhead.
Romans 1:19-20
7. Many other hidden things.

The law was a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ Jesus. Jewish persons wrote the NT / NC down / explained it.

We take from treasures old and new to understand Baptism. Knowledge causes us to hug one another (ultimately), and is not a wedge to push us apart (ultimately). I really need to listen myself.

eddif
 
You need to read rightly dividing

llTim.2:


15

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
So many do not understand things have changed for us now !

There was Time Past - But Now - Ages to Come.......
 
All scripture is quoted from the NKJV, unless otherwise noted.

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 2 John 9-10 BRG

Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine.
Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.

1 Timothy 4:16

The books of the bible belong to different times........

The whole bible is for us............but the whole bible is not to us........

Genesis - Acts ---- is for the past

Romans - Philemon ........... is for our time [But Now]

Hebrews - Revelation ............. is for the Future
Ah, yes......the 'Two Gospels' doctrine. One for the Jews, one for the gentiles. Basically, a works salvation for the Jews. A hyper-grace salvation for the gentiles. Completely contrary to scripture.

It seems to have been invented in an attempt to explain what some perceive as a difference between the supposed works gospel that Jesus taught (in what we call the gospels--how ironic), and the supposed 'do nothing' hyper grace gospel that Paul taught.

What gives strength to this false doctrine (and others) is the churches' gross misunderstanding of the role of works in Paul's faith vs. works doctrine.
 
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You need to read rightly dividing

llTim.2:


15

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
So many do not understand things have changed for us now !

There was Time Past - But Now - Ages to Come.......

Now it's time for a word from our Sponsor: The Mediator of the New Covenant.

He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Mark 16:16


If you are in a different covenant than the New Covenant, please just disregard those words from Jesus Christ, the Mediator of the New Covenant, as they don't apply to you.



JLB
 
You need to read rightly dividing

llTim.2:


15

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
So many do not understand things have changed for us now !

There was Time Past - But Now - Ages to Come.......
I Corinthians 10:1 KJV
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

The passage continues, but the idea is we can learn from past. The passage also takes us into symbolism that strains our minds.

Study the scriptures and not my comments. My comments just crack the seed coat , but your study prepares the meal. Revelation 3:20

eddif
 
The books of the bible belong to different times........

The whole bible is for us............but the whole bible is not to us........

Genesis - Acts ---- is for the past

Romans - Philemon ........... is for our time [But Now]

Hebrews - Revelation ............. is for the Future
are you serious? does your pastor teach this? how do you define all scripture ? so if the 4 gospels are not for us. then that voids the death burial and resurrection of Christ . makes the preaching / message of the Cross foolishness
2 Timothy 3:16Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
16 "All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness, " your causing red flags to go up
 
John the Baptist introduced water Baptism, which is from Heaven and not from man.

John the Baptist did not introduce water baptism. It was already an ancient practice by the time he was preaching. JTLYK

iakov the fool
:boing
 
Prescriptions for the use of immersion are not laid out all that clearly in the Tanakh but we are assured by Rabbis and Scholars of Judaism alike that the tevillah service and immersion in a mikvah or ritual bath was commonplace and understood by all, so elaboration was not necessary. Believe it or not, it begins specifically and in type in the pages of the Torah.

In the Tevillah service, persons or things are immersed in a mikvah (a bath), for various purposes and intents instructed by God. It was instituted by YHVH. It is not about being cleaned physically because in most cases one must be clean before participating.

Immersion is rooted very deeply in His people Israel from many centuries before either John the Baptist or Jesus ever appeared on the eschatological scene. Those who came to John did not think they were experiencing something new. On the contrary they were quite familiar with the practice and understood totally what he was doing and what he was offering (this is why they came). One general principle comes to us from Leviticus 22:6 where the Torah implies that that which is unclean must be washed with water (again not referring to physical dirt). This was why the Israelites always required full body immersion in either a mikvah (pool or bath), or in a body of “living water” (river, lake, sea, etc.,) for any proselyte who wished to convert. Along with circumcision for men (a cutting away of the flesh), through such an initiatory process a gentile could be allowed into the community of faith. This not only washed away their possible ceremonial uncleanness, but also represented a death to their old life and a rebirth into a new one. Much like Christianity, the waters were first prayed over and thus sanctified, that is, consecrated for this purpose, and they believed YHVH overseeing this bestowed the necessary blessings whereby He sanctified the individual recipients.

The priests not only had to be immersed before Yom Kippur, and the other yearly festivals, but the High Priest had to also be immersed again after sending off the scape goat (Azazel). Many individuals also practiced ritual immersion in preparation for Shabbat. Again the purpose was more of a holy ritual and not a cleaning of the skin.

Likewise, if one wanted to dedicate themselves to service, such a s Nazarite, they also had to be immersed as a sign of intended repentance. They would be as dead to their old life and for the time of their vow living in newness of life, separated unto God for His purpose.

Then finally (but not exclusively as you will see) there is the Taharah (purification) service, or the washing of the dead before burial. They did not for one moment believe the person was being cleaned for the afterlife. It was a matter of what it represented.

So because of all this, Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan in his book, Waters of Life, describes this practice in Israel preceding at least Hillel and that this immersion in a mikvah is a type of womb as well as a tomb. The waters of life are reminiscent of Creation where the waters above separated from the waters below brought forth the ground from which Adam was made. Brides and grooms are immersed symbolizing the newness of life they would now share as one. These are all great times of transformation, rebirth, elevation into a higher order, higher union with and before God, and so on.

In Mikvah: The Art of Transition, scholar Avraham Trugman tells us they baptized “in order to become ritually pure after a temporary state of ritual impurity, or when a person or object changes status…! The same rule applies when an instrument or vessel is dedicated to the Lord. When immersed in living waters (like rivers and streams) life “swallows up death.” When a plate or a bowl were washed in the waters of purification it ceased to be what it once was and now was forever something other.
 
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