Growth Understanding Baptism ?

[LovethroughDove]

baptism of the spirit takes place the moment one gets saved. water baptism follows after one get saved. . why are you and grams getting the 2 mixed up? its either A. you don't understand or B YOU REFUSE TO understand or C . YOU want to argue just to have something to do. i like a good bible discussion but so far you have not even posted

I've posted many scriptures through this whole thing. I read where you mentioned communion and symbolic and water baptism is showing you have a good conscience. I'm not going to gather all my posts with scripture and explain myself all over again.

Taking literal communion (Literal bread/wine) and water baptism, I know is tradition of men. If you don't understand the Spiritual undertone of everything, that is not my job to get you to understand.

 

[ezra]

I've posted many scriptures through this whole thing. I read where you mentioned communion and symbolic and water baptism is showing you have a good conscience. I'm not going to gather all my posts with scripture and explain myself all over again.

Taking literal communion (Literal bread/wine) and water baptism, I know is tradition of men. If you don't understand the Spiritual undertone of everything, that is not my job to get you to understand.

you have posted NO scripture stating water baptism is not needed. if you can show one scripture with the words saying water baptism is not for a born again Christian . then i will post in agreement with you. for the record i fully understand scripture

 

[Jethro Bodine]

In 1 Peter 3:21 it was speaking of Noah and the ark, the ark saved 8 people total. Jesus brought down the Holy Spirit into flesh (ark). Jesus is the ark. The baptism that now saves is the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit will and does wash your conscience, if you live and act upon the will of God.

John 14:20 On that day(the day you are baptized into the Spirit) you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

It's pretty clear to me that you simply can't get it out of your head that the only understanding of water baptism there is is that it saves. And that's what you are resisting, at the expense of water baptism altogether and what it really means.

 

[LovethroughDove]

It's pretty clear to me that you simply can't get it out of your head that the only understanding of water baptism there is is that it saves. And that's what you are resisting, at the expense of water baptism altogether and what it really means.

No, Jethro. You think that is what I'm saying. I think you see water baptism as a step of faith? I see it as the opposite. I see it as not understanding what Jesus did when he stepped in that water.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I think you see water baptism as a step of faith?

Yes, but a step of faith toward what is the point that matters. Some people think they don't have to take that step of faith because as they say, "salvation is not by works", when that's not even the point that step of faith addresses. Not murdering, or stealing, or committing adultery is also a step of faith. But it's not even remotely true that we don't have to do those now because we are 'complete in Christ', and 'he did all for us', and 'salvation is not of works'.

I see it as the opposite.

I know that. That's basically what I've been saying. You somehow think in your mind--probably because of bad teaching you've been exposed to--that it's impossible to see baptism as NOT being the opposite of faith. It's not done for reason of what faith secures in regard to justification.

I see it as not understanding what Jesus did when he stepped in that water.

A step of bold faith into a life of uninhibited, powerful witness for Christ has nothing to do with competing with, or misunderstanding, what Jesus did for us so that we don't have to. It has nothing to do in regard to effecting justification/ salvation, in the same way 'love your neighbor as yourself' has nothing to do in regard to effecting justification/ salvation.

We do it for the same reason we go to church, witness to others, love others, forgive, etc. And you prolly agree that just because justification is by faith all by itself that doesn't mean we have been relieved of those duties, right? And I would hope that you would say those things are even expected of the person who has been justified by faith all by itself apart from the merit of work. Like the servant who was expected to act in accordance with the grace that he had himself received (Matthew 18:23-35).

 

[LovethroughDove]

Some people think they don't have to take that step of faith because as they say, "salvation is not by works", when that's not even the point that step of faith addresses. Not murdering, or stealing, or committing adultery is also a step of faith. But it's not even remotely true that we don't have to do those now because we are 'complete in Christ', and 'he did all for us', and 'salvation is not of works'.

I think you have lumped me into the camp of Jesus did it all, so I don't have to uphold my end of the bargain. Nope, I can uphold all laws and more through the Holy Spirit. I just understand what happened at his baptism.

A step of bold faith into a life of uninhibited, powerful witness for Christ has nothing to do with competing with, or misunderstanding, what Jesus did for us so that we don't have to. It has nothing to do in regard to effecting justification/ salvation, in the same way 'love your neighbor as yourself' has nothing to do in regard to effecting justification/ salvation.

My life is the witness for Christ. My profession of who he is, is my witness. I love who he is more than you can possibly know.

We do it for the same reason we go to church, witness to others, love others, forgive, etc. And you prolly agree that just because justification is by faith all by itself that doesn't mean we have been relieved of those duties, right?

I don't go to church, I do church here. I don't see in scripture where Jesus commands us to go to church. But, like I said my life is my witness and my profession of who he is, is my witness. I love others more than they love themselves and my forgiveness is endless. Truly, I've had to forgive many things in my life and I have. And I have loved people that shouldn't be lovable.

 

[Jim Parker]

I don't go to church, I do church here. I don't see in scripture where Jesus commands us to go to church.

That's not church.

 

[grams]

Why did Jesus go to the Cross ?
Why did Jesus get Baptized ?

He did it for us !
We have it all upon belief

Because Jesus took car of it for US!

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I think you have lumped me into the camp of Jesus did it all, so I don't have to uphold my end of the bargain. Nope, I can uphold all laws and more through the Holy Spirit. I just understand what happened at his baptism.
My life is the witness for Christ. My profession of who he is, is my witness. I love who he is more than you can possibly know.

I don't go to church, I do church here. I don't see in scripture where Jesus commands us to go to church. But, like I said my life is my witness and my profession of who he is, is my witness. I love others more than they love themselves and my forgiveness is endless. Truly, I've had to forgive many things in my life and I have. And I have loved people that shouldn't be lovable.

I know indoctrinations can run deep and are very hard to overcome in a person. On this issue I don't know who is more to blame--churches that teach that water baptism justifies a person, or the knee-jerk teachings in response to that teaching that teach new believers that they don't have to get water baptized.

 

[grams]

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That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

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In whom also we have obtained an " inheritance," being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

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That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

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In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were " sealed " with that holy Spirit of promise,

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Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

 

[grams]

Eph. 2

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But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

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For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

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Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

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And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

 

[grams]

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For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

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If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

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How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

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Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

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Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

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That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

 

[LovethroughDove]

I know indoctrinations can run deep and are very hard to overcome in a person. On this issue I don't know who is more to blame--churches that teach that water baptism justifies a person, or the knee-jerk teachings in response to that teaching that teach new believers that they don't have to get water baptized.

How about none of the above.

 

[grams]

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For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

 

[grams]

Its in the bible and you do not understand....... Gentiles who we are !

We are ------- BUT NOW !!!!! NOT THE PAST ..!!!!!!

 

[JLB]

We have it all upon belief

Couldn't be further from the truth.

He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Mark 16:16



JLB

 

[JLB]

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For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Baptism is not from the law, but from the kingdom of God.

16 “The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it. Luke 16:16



JLB

 

[grams]

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[grams]

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[JLB]

OUR TIME NOW IS..................

ROMANS TO PHILEMON.......................................................

Romans to Philemon was written in the past, to those churches of that time.


JLB