Growth Understanding Baptism ?

[reba]

Because it is Spiritual by faith. Not a Carnal,choice of chance or just in case.. It is a Spiritual birth. And those who have been born again do not ask such carnal questions. (not sarcasm) The Epistle to the Romans; The Epistle to 1 Corinthians.; Acts of the Apostles.

Doug ... a bit more info would help make your post clear.. what is your 'it' ?

 

[LovethroughDove]

can you post one scripture that says do not baptise ?

No one that has posted on this thread is against baptism. There are a couple of us who know that the water symbolized the Holy Spirit coming to baptize a person. That is all. Just like people who still eat literal bread, to represent Jesus's body. When Jesus said he is the bread of life. John 6:35 and we don't literally eat his flesh John 6:56

But he can say this because of John 1:14 The Word became flesh..... and we consume the word.

 

[LovethroughDove]

I love the Holy Spirit if you can't tell. My name on here is all about the Holy Spirit. And, there is only one sin that will not be forgiven.

The Holy Spirit is Everything.

 

[LovethroughDove]

and we don't literally eat his flesh John 6:56

I should clarify with this, when we digest the Word......we partly might literally be consuming his flesh. The Holy Spirit created the Word and created Jesus himself in the flesh.

 

[eddif]

grams why are you so against baptism?
there is no scripture that says DO NOT baptize.

I am so glad grams is with us here. I sat where grams sits at one time. Not on the issue of baptism, but believing that I belonged to the best Christian group in the world. I now tend toward the one new man concept. That is not a
TV concept, but pressing toward the high calling in Christ Jesus.

grams
I think this forum really seeks to help. Are we perfect? No. Perfection (in the flesh) will come at the end of time.

Learning how a hand thinks comes as quite a shock to an ear. Stomachs just do not think like kidneys. All these things are body parts. We are joined through Christ Jesus (I will leave the doctrine to reba - well maybe LOL).

The stress of life hits us all, and the best our flesh can do is never enough. The mind serves the law of Christ though. He reviled not in return.

eddif

 

[Jethro Bodine]

1cor. 1

14
I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

So that no one can say "I belong to Paul" as if Christ is somehow divided.
All unity is in Christ. We are not to be segregated according to the particular teacher that baptized (or circumcised) you (i.e. John's disciples, etc.). That hardly means we are not to be water baptized. That is the mistake some are making.

 

[Jim Parker]

Please show me from the law, where the Baptism in Water, as obedience to God's Kingdom message, is a commandment from Moses.

I didn't say it was from the Law. I said it was an "ancient practice."

iakov the fool

 

[JLB]

I didn't say it was from the Law. I said it was an "ancient practice."

iakov the fool

I covered such an assumption, by the scripture I posted.

25 The baptism of John—where was it from? From heaven or from men?”
And they reasoned among themselves, saying, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ He will say to us, ‘Why then did you not believe him?’ 26 But if we say, ‘From men,’ we fear the multitude, for all count John as a prophet.” 27 So they answered Jesus and said, “We do not know.”
And He said to them, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I do these things. Matthew 21:25-27

Jesus said they did not believe him, John the Baptist, the one who introduced water Baptism

John the Baptist introduced Baptism in Water for repentance.

The baptism of John—where was it from? From heaven or from men?”
"From men" covers your "ancient practice" theory.


and again

30 The baptism of John—was it from heaven or from men? Answer Me.”
31 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ He will say, ‘Why then did you not believe him [John]?’ 32 But if we say, ‘From men’”—they feared the people, for all counted John to have been a prophet indeed.


3 And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”
So they said, “Into John’s baptism.” Acts 19:3


“The law and the prophets were until John.Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it. Luke 16:16



JLB

 

[Douglas Summers]

Doug ... a bit more info would help make your post clear.. what is your 'it' ?

Now why not err on the side of caution and get Baptized? JohnD Post #527
Because it is Spiritual by faith. Not a Carnal,choice of chance or just incase.. It is a Spiritual birth. And those who have been born again do not ask such carnal questions. (not sarcasm) The Epistle to the Romans; The Epistle to 1 Corinthians.; Acts of the Apostles This was in answer to John DB's post above in red.

 

[JLB]

It is a Spiritual birth. And those who have been born again do not ask such carnal questions.

Water Baptism has nothing to do with spiritual birth.



JLB

 

[grams]

It does not say to be Baptized here does it ?
Eph. 2:

7
That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[reba]

those verses say nothing about baptism

 

[reba]

Now why not err on the side of caution and get Baptized? JohnD Post #527
Because it is Spiritual by faith. Not a Carnal,choice of chance or just incase.. It is a Spiritual birth. And those who have been born again do not ask such carnal questions. (not sarcasm) The Epistle to the Romans; The Epistle to 1 Corinthians.; Acts of the Apostles This was in answer to John DB's post above in red.

Thanks for the clarification

 

[Douglas Summers]

NO Water

Gal. 3

25
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ

Col. 2
10
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

11
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Hi Gram, "The School Master" was the law (not just the Ten Commandments) but the law of the priesthood is include in the "Law of Moses". Together it was one system of law. The Ten Commandments was first to bring condemnation of sins, The priesthood was in type, the work of God, to save the condemned man. Type meaning looking forward to the savior, our Lord Jesus The Christ. The reason we are not under a school master anymore is because The Christ has come, so we are no longer under tooters and we have been introduced to the promises by faith. When it talks about "adoption as Sons", it is not talking about father and son relationship, it is talking about "POSITION." Going from a child to an adult son. (Maturity). We now have the wisdom or rather, Christ is our wisdom. Galatians Chapter 4

About water baptism. Baptism in it self has no saving power, for it comes after the Cross, not before it. But it does have a power of association. The association of identifying the new man after the resurrected Christ with a clear conscience, walking in newness of life. This is an actual conscience change of mind and heart by a Spiritual process. I know this to be true for it did the same to me. A seal of the purchased possession

 

[Douglas Summers]

Water Baptism has nothing to do with spiritual birth.



JLB

? Never said it did.

 

[JLB]

It does not say to be Baptized here does it ?
Eph. 2:

7
That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Yes it does.

See the word saved, in this verse?

Whenever you see that word saved, just refer back to what Jesus said, as the Mediator of the New Covenanr.

Those who believe and are baptized will be saved.

That will never change.

You see the context is about a contrast between saved by grace, and saved by works...

So healing, gifts of the Spirit, deliverance, prophesy, visions, resurrection of the dead.... Are not mentioned either, however we don't discard those things, because there not mentioned "here".


JLB

 

[JLB]

? Never said it did.

Good. It sure did say that in your post. Maybe I misunderstood how you said it.


JLB

 

[Douglas Summers]

Good. It sure did say that in your post. Maybe I misunderstood how you said it.


JLB

What I said was baptism gave me a feeling of following after Christ with a clear conscience and the awareness of walking in newness of life, associating me with Christ death, burial, and His Resurrection. It is a conscience awareness of the Spiritual new man. When I was baptized that awareness became clear and grounded me in the assurance of God's promise in Jesus the Christ.
If you do not understand what I'am witnessing to you it is probably because you did not have the same experience as I did. But there had to be some kind of enlightenment for you, because baptism is not just a dunking in water, but a conformation and enlightenment of the new man.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

It does not say to be Baptized here does it ?
Eph. 2:

7
That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

I see you still got it burned into your thinking that baptism is and always was a way to be justified/ saved. And that's simply not true. The Catholic church is responsible for indoctrinating people that way.

I'm fairly confident that we agree that the command 'do not murder' is not a way that a person gets justified/saved. Yet I bet you haven't decided that since that is true that we do not have to keep that command, right?

So why is it that water baptism doesn't have to be done to be saved because it does not justify/save, but 'do not murder' does have to be done even though it does not justify/save either? This inconsistent thinking is exactly what opened my eyes to the truth about the role of works in Paul's faith vs. works teaching.

I realized we Protestants can't explain our duplicity in being so vehemently against having to do things like keep the Sabbath, etc., and even shouldn't, because they can't justify a person, yet loudly proclaiming out the other side of our mouth that the Christian should, for example, 'not murder', even though it does not justify/ save either. Can you explain this duplicity?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

What I said was baptism gave me a feeling of following after Christ with a clear conscience and the awareness of walking in newness of life, associating me with Christ death, burial, and His Resurrection. It is a conscience awareness of the Spiritual new man. When I was baptized that awareness became clear and grounded me in the assurance of God's promise in Jesus the Christ.
If you do not understand what I'am witnessing to you it is probably because you did not have the same experience as I did. But there had to be some kind of enlightenment for you, because baptism is not just a dunking in water, but a conformation and enlightenment of the new man.

Coming from the Catholic Church, I'm guessing she was never water baptized as a free-willed adult believer, but only as an infant.