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Understanding Mary - Mother of God

The way I understand it, Jesus was fully man and is fully God. Mary wasn't the mother of God Himself but she was the mother of the man, Jesus.

I wonder though, are we just arguing semantics?
No, it's not semantics.
As I said in the OP
The definition of Mary as Theotokos (literally “God bearer”) at the Council of Ephesus in 431 was made in response to a fifth century heresy called Nestorianism which said that Mary did not carry God but only carried Christ’s human nature in her womb.

Nestorians claimed that Mary did not give birth to a unified person but tried to separate Jesus’ human nature from his divine nature, creating two separate persons, one human and one divine in a loose affiliation.

But Jesus is one person who is both truly man and truly God

Of course Mary is not the mother of the Trinity but she is the mother of the second person of the Trinity in his Incarnation. She carried him in her womb and provided his human nature. It was through her that he "was descended from David according to the flesh" (Rom 1:3)
 
First, you seem to be trying to start a debate and I have no interest in turning this into a debate. Second, my opinion doesn't matter. What matters is truth and that is what we should be seeking.

All I will offer is this...

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,
John 1:14 ESV

And this...

Christ Jesus,
6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Philippians 2:5-8 ESV

I also found this...

Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
Hebrews 2:17 NKJV
I was curious to learn what you truly believe, having read this: ‘I personally do not support that Mary was the mother of God. God always existed and has no mother. I believe she was the mother of the incarnate - Jesus.’ (Post 3).

My first question (Post 5) established that you believe Yeshua (ʿalayhi as-salām) to be wholly man and wholly God; having two natures and one divine Person.

My second question (which you have declined to answer) was an attempt to establish when – in your opinion – this union of his two natures took place; at his conception, or after his birth.

Had you replied ‘at his conception’ then you would have been in total agreement with the CC when she teaches that, from the very moment of this conception, Mary bore the whole of Yeshua – his Divine Person; his Divine Nature; and his human nature.

This is why the Council of Ephesus declare her to be ‘Theotókos’ (translated ‘God bearer’; or ‘The one who gave birth to God’).

It has been pointed out that the Council used this expression to counter the heresy of Nestorianism; namely:

‘That Christ was conceived and born exactly as other men, but that, at some undefined period of His Life, the Word of God became united with Him by a moral union, like that by which God is united to the souls of all the just, only far closer than is ordinary.’ (Sylvester Joseph Hunter: ‘Outlines of Dogmatic Theology’).

The term ‘Theotókos’ is intended to confirm the dogma of the Incarnation. Mary is the ‘God-bearer’, carrying within her womb that divine Person who was both ‘wholly God’ and ‘wholly man’; as opposed to being just a man.

She who bears a child is rightly called the mother of that child. Why should Mary be the exception?

If Yeshua was truly a divine Person – truly God – then Mary was the Mother of God.

My purpose is not to debate, it is to confront a notion in serious need of correction. As you say, what matters is truth, and it is that we should be seeking.

It is a simple truth that the CC does not teach – and has never taught – that the expression ‘Mother of God’ shall be taken to imply that Mary is the source of the Divine Nature of Yeshua (of the Second Person of the Trinity).

It is a simple truth that the CC does not teach – and has never taught – that Mary is the Mother of God from eternity – that is to say, of the Trinity itself. She is ‘Mother of God’ only with reference to the ‘Word’ incarnate.

Peace.
 
I personally do not support that Mary was the mother of God. God always existed and has no mother. I believe she was the mother of the incarnate - Jesus. Scripture teaches us that Jesus, "being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men."
Philippians 2:6-7 NKJV

One thing that I notice is the early church fathers you speak of were born many generations after the Apostles died. Do you have any apostolic sources to show that the apostles themselves also believed this?
She is Daughter OF God the Father,
Mother OF God the Son,
Spouse of God the Holy Spirit,
Amen!
If Christ's divinity is in question for you , then I see how you can not grasp the Mother of God the Son thing. Do you believe in the Holy Trinity?
 
The way I understand it, Jesus was fully man and is fully God. Mary wasn't the mother of God Himself but she was the mother of the man, Jesus.

I wonder though, are we just arguing semantics?
Do you believe in the Holy Trinity? As an Elect Mother, she is given both, care of Christ's flesh and soul, as any mother is in charge of. Just as I must nourish my child physically, I must too provide spiritual nourishment . This is why favor - grace, is poured out to her in fullness. Sirach said that "Wisdom is apportioned to men according to their gifts." In this case that would be the fullness of Wisdom because her gift is the fullness of God. Wisdom accompanies God everywhere. That is why it is said " In Christ is our Wisdom". So since that fullness was bestowed upon His mother, our access to Wisdom as mother is in faith in Christ. And to us He says - " man behold thy mother, woman behold thy son". She - Mary is given to the church as mother at the foot of the cross. What was spoken to John is spoken to all. For we are told to " all be like minded lovers of the brethren". "And from that moment forth he/John , took her into his home." She is the heart of the home. Therefore , the heart of Christ. Take her into your heart- home.
As the body of Christ each member has an ability and purpose. The hand cannot reject the foot , and the members cannot reject the heart. She is the heart of the body. The heart is charged with care of the other members . As Christ is the Head over , Wisdom( His mother) is given care of us , just as she cared for Christ. " In Christ is our wisdom" so if truly in Christ you cannot possibly reject Wisdom as Mother. " And wisdom is justified by her children", that is why throughout the OT wisdom is referred to as 'She', 'Her' , 'Bride' , Mother'. That is the intention with Christ's Incarnation - to bring about a vessel for Wisdom. So from her cup to ours . In the exalting that God the Father did for Mary we all gain. For in the Immaculate Conception ( Holy Spirit Conception of Christ) all the Saved were number. In the Incarnation of God of her flesh, the Household of God is brought forth. For , those who are to be born again were numbered in Christ's birth. Therefore, it is She who birthed a Nation- Kingdom in one day. " It is there under the apple your mother travailed, it is there she gave you birth"- Song of Solomon, paraphrasing of course. Point is she gave birth under the Apple tree-Covenant of Israel. " Place me as a seal over your heart , as a seal upon your arm"- Song of Songs- paraphrasing again. Point is she is the seal over Authentic Christianity. If rejecting her..... well you get the picture. Be blessed!
 
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She is Daughter OF God the Father,
Mother OF God the Son,
Spouse of God the Holy Spirit,
Amen!
If Christ's divinity is in question for you , then I see how you can not grasp the Mother of God the Son thing. Do you believe in the Holy Trinity?
Yes, I do. Do you believe that when God (Jesus) became man that He set aside His divinity, humbling Himself to take on the likeness of man? Do you believe Jesus was fully man, having to withstand temptation just as a man?
 
Yes, I do. Do you believe that when God (Jesus) became man that He set aside His divinity, humbling Himself to take on the likeness of man? Do you believe Jesus was fully man, having to withstand temptation just as a man?
No I do not believe He set aside His Divinity. That is not possible. Most correct is, He did not USE that stature in boast, not that He put it aside, but remained humble . He did so to teach us as (Son of Man) how to please God the Father as sons of men. Hence, the Title Son of Man, which means born of Man , more deeply God took on a flesh form.
 
Where does the Bible say it is not possible? (Surely that's a reasonable question... we are talking about biblical teaching after all)
Well myth man, if you believe Christ is a myth you are not qualified to have an opinion on the matter. You can have an opinion, just not the qualifications- is the point. The discussion is based off the premise of understanding- that which is intrinsically Divine cannot be undivine.
 
Well myth man, if you believe Christ is a myth you are not qualified to have an opinion on the matter. You can have an opinion, just not the qualifications- is the point. The discussion is based off the premise of understanding- that which is intrinsically Divine cannot be undivine.
Hah. It was a question, not an opinion. Your theology is based in the Bible, supposedly, so defend from the Bible the statement: "that which is intrinsically Divine cannot be undivine." Where does the Bible support that?
 
Hah. It was a question, not an opinion. Your theology is based in the Bible, supposedly, so defend from the Bible the statement: "that which is intrinsically Divine cannot be undivine." Where does the Bible support that?

Genesis 3.

I thought you said you read that? You should know that then.
 
Hah. It was a question, not an opinion. Your theology is based in the Bible, supposedly, so defend from the Bible the statement: "that which is intrinsically Divine cannot be undivine." Where does the Bible support that?
Everywhere because God is Divine and Christ is God Incarnate.
 
lol, It says no such thing.

Yes it does. It's called the fall of man. We were created perfect and alive, in the image of God and divine in all aspects. Then we fell by sinning. That day they died spiritually and lost their divinity.

Jesus came and provided a way for us to get it back.

Scripture says, and the word became flesh. So Jesus disrobed from His divinity to be born of woman here, and play it out according to the rules, which He did. He had to find God, to be taught about God. Then when He found God, the Father said, welcome home Son! After His ascension, He received His glory back.
 
Yes it does. It's called the fall of man. We were created perfect and alive, in the image of God and divine in all aspects. Then we fell by sinning. That day they died spiritually and lost their divinity.

Jesus came and provided a way for us to get it back.

Scripture says, and the word became flesh. So Jesus disrobed from His divinity to be born of woman here, and play it out according to the rules, which He did. He had to find God, to be taught about God. Then when He found God, the Father said, welcome home Son! After His ascension, He received His glory back.
You think Adam and Eve were divine? That is, you think Adam and Eve were gods? How remarkable. Will we thus be gods in heaven?
Scripture says, and the word became flesh. So Jesus disrobed from His divinity
Though I think Gen. 3 is irrelevant, I do agree that the New Testament clearly teaches that Jesus gave up his divinity when he came to Earth. Nowhere does the Bible say he was "fully God and fully man".
 
Hah. It was a question, not an opinion. Your theology is based in the Bible, supposedly, so defend from the Bible the statement: "that which is intrinsically Divine cannot be undivine." Where does the Bible support that?

The Catholic Curch's teaching is not based on the Bible alone. But it does not contradict the Bible.
 
The Catholic Curch's teaching is not based on the Bible alone. But it does not contradict the Bible.
Yes, well, Deuteronomy 4:2: "You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you." Proverbs 30:6: "Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar."

But, ignoring those relevant verses, I was speaking to God Is My Judge and I don't know if he is Catholic or not.
 
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