Grailhunter
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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
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Understanding the GodHead. The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.
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Butch5
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From what I under stand it is still evolving. Today there are Trinitarian group that believe in a hierarchy among the three. The Athanasian Creed states the three are coequal and coeternal.
What amazes me is why people don't question it. It's illogical.
You don’t even have to look that far. When the children of the serpent killed the children of the woman, they only bruised his heel. Those children are healed, raised back to life. But the children of the serpent, their head is crushed and never healed because they are dead forever.
Even when they are raised again it’s to die a second death from which there is no more resurrection.
Do you know that when Jesus spoke of himself coming down from heaven as the manna, he was speaking of his flesh and blood, his human nature. That he was to give his human nature to die so that if they would eat of his flesh and blood they would live forever. And that he only had to give the life of his nature once in order to secure life for himself and his brethren.
And speaking of the manna, the children of Israel were given manna to eat but were not satisfied. They loathed it and complained against God and Moses. So the Lord sent serpents among the people that when they were bitten many died. So , in order to save the people from death,Moses lifted up a serpent on a pole, and when the people looked upon the serpent they were healed and lived.
Jesus spoke of this when he said that just as Moses lifted up the serpent, so must the son of man be lifted up.
When we look upon the son of man who offered up his human nature that was set up on a pole we are healed and live.
We have the serpent being lifted up on a pole.
We have the human nature being lifted up on the cross.
We have Jesus’ death destroying the devil.
We have God sending His son in the likeness of sinful flesh.
We have our nature being changed from mortal to immortal by resurrection. The natural flesh body being changed to the spiritual flesh body.
And we have Jesus never dying again by being raised from the dead.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the serpent represents the sinful human nature all man shares and is what brought sin into the world and kills everyone, and that it is synonymous with the devil.
And when the sinful human nature that Jesus was made like was destroyed so was the devil of his own nature.
I also think when Jesus overcame the devil by not sinning his sacrifice was accepted and he received eternal redemption for himself and those who trust in him.
I also think the devil still resides in our human nature but if we walk in the spirit we will not fulfill the desires of the flesh.
And if we believe and obey the gospel we will be rewarded with eternal life. But if we believe and obey not we will face a second death from which there is no resurrection.
John 6:26-58
We have the human nature being lifted up on the cross.
We have Jesus’ death destroying the devil.
We have God sending His son in the likeness of sinful flesh.
We have our nature being changed from mortal to immortal by resurrection. The natural flesh body being changed to the spiritual flesh body.
And we have Jesus never dying again by being raised from the dead.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the serpent represents the sinful human nature all man shares and is what brought sin into the world and kills everyone, and that it is synonymous with the devil.
And when the sinful human nature that Jesus was made like was destroyed so was the devil of his own nature.
I also think when Jesus overcame the devil by not sinning his sacrifice was accepted and he received eternal redemption for himself and those who trust in him.
I also think the devil still resides in our human nature but if we walk in the spirit we will not fulfill the desires of the flesh.
And if we believe and obey the gospel we will be rewarded with eternal life. But if we believe and obey not we will face a second death from which there is no resurrection.
John 6:26-58
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Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then they took up stones to throw at Him;…
John 8:58-59
Why did the Jews pick up stones to throw at Him when He said …
“Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
JLB
Butch5
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Is it correct that you don't hold to the preexistence of the Son?
Angel? Like one of God’s holy angels in heaven?
To which of the angels has God said “thou are my son”?
The answer is none of them is called His son.
Grailhunter
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The Jews where looking for human warlord king Messiah.
But it did not matter, anybody that said something like that would be taken as claiming to be a Deity and that was sacrilegious to their beliefs and called for immediate execution.
Just like when Yeshua was before the High Priest in the Sanhedrin........
The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.” “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?” “He is worthy of death,” they answered. Matthew 26:63-66
Pre-existent man then? The Bible says the first man is Adam. Not sure what other ways Jesus could pre-exist.
That's correct, pending any scriptural backing of Jesus doing something before Abraham.
In the mind of the prophets who spoke of him.
Yes, that's what I have kept saying as well. I also believe Jesus pre-existed in God's plan and foreknowledge. The Bible speaks of people as if they existed when they didn't many times. For sure it must be foreknowledge or we would need to also hold Jeremiah and saved Christians also pre-existent. Right?
Jeremiah 1
5Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
2 Tim 1
9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Hey, that speaks of Abraham too. Before the age which started at Mount Sinai, when God gave His laws, Abraham was justified by faith and not by works of the law.
Hello Runningman, Have you read: https://christianforums.net/threads/definition-the-pre-existence-of-christ-scripture.105410/
Love, Walter
That’s Plato and Socrates philosophy. Not Biblical theology.
Christ knows of only two states of existence. The one as a natural man of flesh and blood who died. and the spiritual man of flesh and bone who was raised to die no more.
Both states in the image of God. One with the earthly nature and the other with the divine nature.
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