Unique, Not Only-Begotten

[Carry_Your_Name]

For someone who believes the English translations are the scriptures, you could come to that conclusion. To believe that God cannot be an entity of matter is not a lie. A lie would be to say God is a man so as to repent like a man. God is not a man so as to repent or regret like a man.

Surprisingly, belief in God's manifestation in "entity of matter" is the single gold standard that separates the Holy Spirit from other evil lying spirits:

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. (1 Jn. 4:1-4)

If God cannot incarnate into a man, then we're condemned for our sins forever, there's no salvation and remission, because sins must be atoned for by the sacrifice of a sinless offering, there's no other way. A spirit can't die for our sin. You're preaching the heresy of docetism.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

God denied being man. Being man is not something He does.

Manifested as a man is not the same as being a man. I gave a simple analogy before, that if a king is disguised as a commoner among other commoners, he's manifested as a commoner, but he's still a king, not a commoner. He didn't abdicate his crown by disguising himself as a commoner. If you agree with me on anthropomorphism, then you should've been smart enough to know the difference.

To the contrary. I am simply taking God at His word that He isn't a man.

And I am simply taking God at His word that he can manifest as a man on earth to his people while he himself still sits on his throne in heaven, known as theophany, which you vehemently and repeatedly deny.

 

[Runningman]

Manifested as a man is not the same as being a man. I gave a simple analogy before, that if a king is disguised as a commoner among other commoners, he's manifested as a commoner, but he's still a king, not a commoner. If you agree with me on anthropomorphism, then you should've been smart enough to know the difference.

And I am simply taking God at His word that he can manifest as a man on earth to his people while he himself still sits on his throne in heaven, known as theophany, which you vehemently and repeatedly deny.

It's sola scriptura that God is not a man or a son of man. Why do you not believe this? Where did you get your idea from?

Numbers 23
19God is not a man, that He should lie,
or a son of man, that He should change His mind.
Does He speak and not act?
Does He promise and not fulfill?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

It's sola scriptura that God is not a man or a son of man.

No, it's your mentality of false dichotomy.

Why do you not believe this? Where did you get your idea from?

From Jesus himself who exposed the enemy's false dichotomies in multiple occasions, most noticeably the issue about paying poll tax and the judgement of the adulterous woman.

 

[7thMoon]

What I saw in a lexicon is that it means inherently good. Can you let me know what your source is please.

There are other words in Greek that imply good, but thayer quotes a Latin document to this as explained by Plato, Crat., p. 412 c. [others besides; cf. Donaldson, New Crat. § 323]: "perfectus,... qui habet in se ac facit omnia quae habere et facere debet pro notione nominis, officio ac lege". Do you know Latin?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

It's sola scriptura that God is not a man or a son of man. Why do you not believe this? Where did you get your idea from?

Numbers 23
19God is not a man, that He should lie,
or a son of man, that He should change His mind.
Does He speak and not act?
Does He promise and not fulfill?

Unfortunately, you're either playing dumb or you're really not smart enough to understand the concept of manifestation. Right now your account Runningman on this forum is your manifestation. If you insist that only the person in flesh and blood behind the screen is the real you, you're not this account on this forum, then that doesn't mean that you can't express your ideas through this account, the only possible scenario is that Runningman is stolen, somebody else is posting as you.

 

[7thMoon]

Surprisingly, belief in God's manifestation in "entity of matter" is the single gold standard that separates the Holy Spirit from other evil lying spirits:

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. (1 Jn. 4:1-4)

If God cannot incarnate into a man, then we're condemned for our sins forever, there's no salvation and remission, because sins must be atoned for by the sacrifice of a sinless offering, there's no other way. A spirit can't die for our sin. You're preaching the heresy of docetism.

A 100% human Jesus is flesh. You are the docetic not me.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

A 100% human Jesus is flesh. You are the docetic not me.

But only God can be sinless and yet in flesh, nobody else can.

 

[Runningman]

No, it's your mentality of false dichotomy.

God didn't use a false dichotomy regarding His sola scriptura about not being a man or son of man.

From Jesus himself who exposed the enemy's false dichotomies in multiple occasions, most noticeably the issue about paying poll tax and the judgement of the adulterous woman.

You heard no such thing from Jesus. I mean, which church or creed did you read it in?

 

[Runningman]

Unfortunately, you're either playing dumb or you're really not smart enough to understand the concept of manifestation.

According to you I am either playing dumb or I am not smart enough. That's a false dichotomy.

Right now your account Runningman on this forum is your manifestation. If you insist that only the person in flesh and blood behind the screen is the real you, you're not this account on this forum, then that doesn't mean that you can't express your ideas through this account, the only possible scenario is that Runningman is stolen, somebody else is posting as you.

Not in the case of Jesus. God was with Jesus, not that God is Jesus.

Acts 10
37You yourselves know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee with the baptism that John proclaimed: 38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

God didn't use a false dichotomy regarding His sola scriptura about not being a man or son of man.

He didn't, you did.

You heard no such thing from Jesus. I mean, which church or creed did you read it in?

None, from the Lord himself - "But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, “Why do you test Me, you hypocrites?" (Matt. 22:18)

According to you I am either playing dumb or I am not smart enough. That's a false dichotomy.

So you're not even smart enough to play dumb, is that what you're saying? Look, I'm not here passing judgement or making baseless assumptions like you do and pretend that I "stick to the bible", only you yourself know what you're really doing. Maybe doing so would bring a feeling of validation to you, but not to me.

Not in the case of Jesus. God was with Jesus, not that God is Jesus.

Not in the case of Jn. 1:1. The Word was with God and the Word WAS God. Yeah, I know, you believe that word is lady wisdom or whatever, blah blah blah, I've heard enough, keep your unbelief to yourself and have a night day, God bless. I'll pray for you.

 

[Runningman]

He didn't, you did.

I don't bear false witness of God.

Numbers 23
19God is not a man, that He should lie,
or a son of man, that He should change His mind.
Does He speak and not act?
Does He promise and not fulfill?

None, from the Lord himself - "But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, “Why do you test Me, you hypocrites?" (Matt. 22:18)

mhmm...

So you're not even smart enough to play dumb, is that what you're saying? Look, I'm not here passing judgement or making baseless assumptions like you do and pretend that I "stick to the bible", only you yourself know what you're really doing. Maybe doing so would bring a feeling of validation to you, but not to me.

ok

Not in the case of Jn. 1:1. The Word was with God and the Word WAS God. Yeah, I know, you believe that word is lady wisdom or whatever, blah blah blah, I've heard enough, keep your unbelief to yourself and have a night day, God bless. I'll pray for you.

Your whole post comes off as a proverbial backhand very thinly veiled behind the guise of piety. Perhaps you should repent. Yes. Praying for you too. God bless and good night.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I don't bear false witness of God.

Neither do I. The bible doesn't contradict itself, you do.

Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” (Jn. 20:28)

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. (Phil. 2:5-8)

But to the Son He (God) says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever .... "... Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You..."“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth." (Heb. 1:8, 1:9, 1:10)

Your whole post comes off as a proverbial backhand very thinly veiled behind the guise of piety. Perhaps you should repent. Yes. Praying for you too. God bless and good night.

You deserve it for your false dichotomy, and for claiming Sola Scriptura and yet denying the deity of Jesus. Jesus is both God AND man, all God's authority in heaven and on earth has been given to him.

 

[7thMoon]

But only God can be sinless and yet in flesh, nobody else can.

God cannot be flesh; it would limit him.

 

[7thMoon]

Εἶπεν ὁ κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου... YHWH said to my lord...

 

[Randy]

But why is Thomas less blessed? Thomas didn't confess a man-god, rather the apostolic fathers were impressed without written proof there, by the miracle. It is obvious that Thomas did not think his God and his lord were the same.

It's still grace for all.

Jesus-nobody come to me unless the Father enables them.
Jesus-those who listen and learn from the Father come to me.
Jesus-all those the Father gives me will come to me.
Jesus to the Father-they were yours you gave them to ME.

If you read the accounting in regard to on the road to Emmaus it appears Thomas was not the only one having difficulty believing in Christs's resurrection despite the witness of fellow disciples who found a empty tomb and being told Jesus had risen.

 

[7thMoon]

It's still grace for all.

Jesus-nobody come to me unless the Father enables them.
Jesus-those who listen and learn from the Father come to me.
Jesus-all those the Father gives me will come to me.
Jesus to the Father-they were yours you gave them to ME.

If you read the accounting in regard to on the road to Emmaus it appears Thomas was not the only one having difficulty believing in Christs's resurrection despite the witness of fellow disciples who found a empty tomb and being told Jesus had risen.

Ah yes, the magical grace which gets rid of the non-existent stain of sin. But I do believe you are right about Thomas being temporarily skeptical. The other persons were fortunate because he trusted what he saw and perceived.

 

[Randy]

Ah yes, the magical grace which gets rid of the non-existent stain of sin. But I do believe you are right about Thomas being temporarily skeptical. The other persons were fortunate because he trusted what he saw and perceived.

My point how can anyone brag about being blessed if its by the grace of God through faith that one is saved.

Its called guilt.

Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, “What? Are we blind too?”

41 Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

Don't know you so what is this belief?
"the non-existent stain of sin"???

 

[7thMoon]

My point how can anyone brag about being blessed if its by the grace of God through faith that one is saved.

Its called guilt.

Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, “What? Are we blind too?”

41 Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

You should really consider translation tags, even acronymic one would help. It actually their sin remaine. They were blind because they knew they were doing wrong.

Don't know you so what is this belief?
"the non-existent stain of sin"???

I don't believe original sin, if it should be called that, is inherited.

 

[7thMoon]

My point how can anyone brag about being blessed if its by the grace of God through faith that one is saved.

How can anyone say they have a guarantee to the afterlife, and still be right? It is a conceit.