Was Mary the MOST blesseded of all except Christ?

[thessalonian]

Question for all non-catholics. Was there one isrealite who was saved from the bondage of egyptian slavery without Moses? Is it proper to say that all the Hebrew People were saved from such bondage through Moses? Does this in any way diminish the glory given to God from saving the Isralites from Egyptian slavery? Does it in any way mean that God did not save the Israelites from Egyptian slavery? Oh what a blasphemous book that Bible is to claim those people were freed from slavery through Moses.

 

[Solo]

The following excerpt is from a Roman Catholic Priest who was released from the bondage that he was under by the grace that God has given all as a free gift.

RICHARD BENNETT'S LIFE TESTIMONY
From Tradition to Truth
http://www.christian-faith.com/testimon ... riest.html

I share these truths with you now so that you can know God's way of salvation. Our basic fault as Catholics is that we believe that somehow we can of ourselves respond to the help God gives us to be right in His sight. This presupposition that many of us have carried for years is aptly defined in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) #2021, "Grace is the help God gives us to respond to our vocation of becoming his adopted sons...."

With that mindset, we were unknowingly holding to a teaching that the Bible continually condemns. Such a definition of grace is man's careful fabrication, for the Bible consistently declares that the believer's right standing with God is "without works" (Romans 4:6), "without the deeds of the Law" (Romans 3:28), "not of works" (Ephesians 2:9), "It is the gift of God," (Ephesians 2:8). To attempt to make the believer's response part of his salvation and to look upon grace as "a help" is to flatly deny Biblical truth,

"...if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace..." (Romans 11:6). The simple Biblical message is that "the gift of righteousness" in Christ Jesus is a gift, resting on His all-sufficient sacrifice on the cross, "For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ" (Romans 5:17).

So it is as Christ Jesus Himself said, He died in place of the believer, the One for many (Mark 10:45), His life a ransom for many. As He declared, ...this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins" (Matthew 26:28). This is also what Peter proclaimed, "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God..." (I Peter 3:18).

Paul's preaching is summarized at the end of II Corinthians 5:21, "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.." (II Cor. 5:21).

This fact, dear reader, is presented clearly to you in the Bible. Acceptance of it is now commanded by God, "...Repent ye, and believe the gospel" (Mark 1:15).

The most difficult repentance for us dyed-in-the-wool Catholics is changing our mind from thoughts of "meriting," "earning," "being good enough," simply to accepting with empty hands the gift of righteousness in Christ Jesus. To refuse to accept what God commands is the same sin as that of the religious Jews of Paul's time, "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God." (Romans 10:3)

Repent and believe the Good News!

 

[Orthodoxy]

The following excerpt is from a Roman Catholic Priest who was released from the bondage that he was under by the grace that God has given all as a free gift.

RICHARD BENNETT'S LIFE TESTIMONY
From Tradition to Truth
http://www.christian-faith.com/testimon ... riest.html

I share these truths with you now so that you can know God's way of salvation. Our basic fault as Catholics is that we believe that somehow we can of ourselves respond to the help God gives us to be right in His sight. This presupposition that many of us have carried for years is aptly defined in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) #2021, "Grace is the help God gives us to respond to our vocation of becoming his adopted sons...."

With that mindset, we were unknowingly holding to a teaching that the Bible continually condemns. Such a definition of grace is man's careful fabrication, for the Bible consistently declares that the believer's right standing with God is "without works" (Romans 4:6), "without the deeds of the Law" (Romans 3:28), "not of works" (Ephesians 2:9), "It is the gift of God," (Ephesians 2:8). To attempt to make the believer's response part of his salvation and to look upon grace as "a help" is to flatly deny Biblical truth,

"...if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace..." (Romans 11:6). The simple Biblical message is that "the gift of righteousness" in Christ Jesus is a gift, resting on His all-sufficient sacrifice on the cross, "For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ" (Romans 5:17).

So it is as Christ Jesus Himself said, He died in place of the believer, the One for many (Mark 10:45), His life a ransom for many. As He declared, ...this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins" (Matthew 26:28). This is also what Peter proclaimed, "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God..." (I Peter 3:18).

Paul's preaching is summarized at the end of II Corinthians 5:21, "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.." (II Cor. 5:21).

This fact, dear reader, is presented clearly to you in the Bible. Acceptance of it is now commanded by God, "...Repent ye, and believe the gospel" (Mark 1:15).

The most difficult repentance for us dyed-in-the-wool Catholics is changing our mind from thoughts of "meriting," "earning," "being good enough," simply to accepting with empty hands the gift of righteousness in Christ Jesus. To refuse to accept what God commands is the same sin as that of the religious Jews of Paul's time, "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God." (Romans 10:3)

Repent and believe the Good News!

Another protestant fallen away from a fallen church (ie Roman Catholic). He like Luther shunned the trunk of the Christian tree for a branch all his own. If the man had any sense he would have investigated the Authentic and Original Christian faith in the Holy Orthodox Church he fell away from by being Roman Catholic.

The veil of God is working without fail.

Orthodoxy

 

[thessalonian]

solo,

Your very good at recycling propoganda. I call it spiritual fruitcake. Your ignorance of Catholicism and Mr. Bennett's (whom I have actually exchanged emails with) is duly noted. If CAtholicism is not about repentence it is about nothing. The difference between Catholicism and Protestantism is that we acknowledge God working in and through us by his grace. And we acknowledge the power of that grace. Grace is an every day even, not a one time event when someone says a sinners prayer. Our works are God working in us, bringing about our salvation and the salvation of others, which is exactly what the Bible says. See Eph 3:20-21. Work out your salvation in fear and trembling dude.

Blessings

 

[Solo]

solo,

Your very good at recycling propoganda. I call it spiritual fruitcake. Your ignorance of Catholicism and Mr. Bennett's (whom I have actually exchanged emails with) is duly noted. If CAtholicism is not about repentence it is about nothing. The difference between Catholicism and Protestantism is that we acknowledge God working in and through us by his grace. And we acknowledge the power of that grace. Grace is an every day even, not a one time event when someone says a sinners prayer. Our works are God working in us, bringing about our salvation and the salvation of others, which is exactly what the Bible says. See Eph 3:20-21. Work out your salvation in fear and trembling dude.

Blessings

The life of a Believer is one of constant submission to the Holy Spirit of God being transformed by the renewing of the mind, not being conformed to the world. Believers are members of the Body of Christ where Jesus is the head. No man or woman is the head of this Church. If you require the sacraments over Jesus Christ you probably are relying on your own devices to be saved. God's grace is the unmerited favor that he bestows upon mankind by giving them the free gift of salvation through his son, Jesus Christ. God did not establish the Church as the authority over Jesus Christ, nor did God establish the Church as the means of redemption, but instead the Church was established to proclaim the free gift of God's salvation, Jesus Christ. The Church did absolutely nothing to redeem mankind. The Church is not the redeemer, Jesus Christ is. When you can understand the truth as presented in the Bible, you too can be set free.

What amazes me is how someone can profess that they believe in the Bible as the Word of God, and ignore the false doctrines that permeate the organization that they participate in, thinking that no one can be born of the Spirit of God unless they are baptized as an infant into the RCC or Ortho church.

I have an idea, why don't the Roman Catholics start their own forum, and discuss their anti-protestant, anti-waldenese, anti-anabaptist, anti-biblical doctrines with those that believe the same as they do. Or do the Roman Catholics and Orthos just come into forums as this to generate strife and division?

 

[thessalonian]

solo,

Your very good at recycling propoganda. I call it spiritual fruitcake. Your ignorance of Catholicism and Mr. Bennett's (whom I have actually exchanged emails with) is duly noted. If CAtholicism is not about repentence it is about nothing. The difference between Catholicism and Protestantism is that we acknowledge God working in and through us by his grace. And we acknowledge the power of that grace. Grace is an every day even, not a one time event when someone says a sinners prayer. Our works are God working in us, bringing about our salvation and the salvation of others, which is exactly what the Bible says. See Eph 3:20-21. Work out your salvation in fear and trembling dude.

Blessings

The life of a Believer is one of constant submission to the Holy Spirit of God being transformed by the renewing of the mind, not being conformed to the world. Believers are members of the Body of Christ where Jesus is the head. No man or woman is the head of this Church. If you require the sacraments over Jesus Christ you probably are relying on your own devices to be saved. God's grace is the unmerited favor that he bestows upon mankind by giving them the free gift of salvation through his son, Jesus Christ. God did not establish the Church as the authority over Jesus Christ, nor did God establish the Church as the means of redemption, but instead the Church was established to proclaim the free gift of God's salvation, Jesus Christ. The Church did absolutely nothing to redeem mankind. The Church is not the redeemer, Jesus Christ is. When you can understand the truth as presented in the Bible, you too can be set free.

What amazes me is how someone can profess that they believe in the Bible as the Word of God, and ignore the false doctrines that permeate the organization that they participate in, thinking that no one can be born of the Spirit of God unless they are baptized as an infant into the RCC or Ortho church.

I have an idea, why don't the Roman Catholics start their own forum, and discuss their anti-protestant, anti-waldenese, anti-anabaptist, anti-biblical doctrines with those that believe the same as they do. Or do the Roman Catholics and Orthos just come into forums as this to generate strife and division?

More recycled rhetoric from someone who has no real understanding of the issues that divide us and posts prejuidice rather than substantitive response. The Gospel you preach is the Gospel of anti-catholicism. You have no identity without the Catholic Church to pit your false notions against. If we were not here there would be nothing here for you, for you don't care what Protestants believe that is contrary to what you believe. Protestantism has no real identity without Catholicism. That is a fact. The strife does not come from us but the naysayers who pick at every little detail of the Catholic Church. But this all of course serves God's purpose in showing the bearing of false witness against his Church.

The waldenese interestingly enough believed in the real presence, the sacrement of confession and baptism by the way. :-D .

By the way there are many forums that Catholics primarily post on. These are generally open to Protestants but most of you disapear after a while sad to say because you are unable to persevere in preaching your Gospel of anti-catholicism where the masses do not agree with you. There are plently of anti-catholic boards if you don't like what goes on here. Go to ntrmin.org or baptistboard.com. There they will not care what you believe as long as you are anti-catholic.

Blessings

 

[Orthodox Christian]

solo,

Your very good at recycling propoganda. I call it spiritual fruitcake. Your ignorance of Catholicism and Mr. Bennett's (whom I have actually exchanged emails with) is duly noted. If CAtholicism is not about repentence it is about nothing. The difference between Catholicism and Protestantism is that we acknowledge God working in and through us by his grace. And we acknowledge the power of that grace. Grace is an every day even, not a one time event when someone says a sinners prayer. Our works are God working in us, bringing about our salvation and the salvation of others, which is exactly what the Bible says. See Eph 3:20-21. Work out your salvation in fear and trembling dude.

Blessings

The life of a Believer is one of constant submission to the Holy Spirit of God being transformed by the renewing of the mind, not being conformed to the world. Believers are members of the Body of Christ where Jesus is the head. No man or woman is the head of this Church. If you require the sacraments over Jesus Christ you probably are relying on your own devices to be saved. God's grace is the unmerited favor that he bestows upon mankind by giving them the free gift of salvation through his son, Jesus Christ. God did not establish the Church as the authority over Jesus Christ, nor did God establish the Church as the means of redemption, but instead the Church was established to proclaim the free gift of God's salvation, Jesus Christ. The Church did absolutely nothing to redeem mankind. The Church is not the redeemer, Jesus Christ is. When you can understand the truth as presented in the Bible, you too can be set free.

What amazes me is how someone can profess that they believe in the Bible as the Word of God, and ignore the false doctrines that permeate the organization that they participate in, thinking that no one can be born of the Spirit of God unless they are baptized as an infant into the RCC or Ortho church.

I have an idea, why don't the Roman Catholics start their own forum, and discuss their anti-protestant, anti-waldenese, anti-anabaptist, anti-biblical doctrines with those that believe the same as they do. Or do the Roman Catholics and Orthos just come into forums as this to generate strife and division?

I come here because I find conversations- and arguments- with those I disagree with to be quite interesting. I don't feel the need to participate in a bunker mentality, hiding from dangerous ideas.

I hope that our dangerous ideas don't rattle your bunker too precipitously.

 

[Solo]

solo,

Your very good at recycling propoganda. I call it spiritual fruitcake. Your ignorance of Catholicism and Mr. Bennett's (whom I have actually exchanged emails with) is duly noted. If CAtholicism is not about repentence it is about nothing. The difference between Catholicism and Protestantism is that we acknowledge God working in and through us by his grace. And we acknowledge the power of that grace. Grace is an every day even, not a one time event when someone says a sinners prayer. Our works are God working in us, bringing about our salvation and the salvation of others, which is exactly what the Bible says. See Eph 3:20-21. Work out your salvation in fear and trembling dude.

Blessings

The life of a Believer is one of constant submission to the Holy Spirit of God being transformed by the renewing of the mind, not being conformed to the world. Believers are members of the Body of Christ where Jesus is the head. No man or woman is the head of this Church. If you require the sacraments over Jesus Christ you probably are relying on your own devices to be saved. God's grace is the unmerited favor that he bestows upon mankind by giving them the free gift of salvation through his son, Jesus Christ. God did not establish the Church as the authority over Jesus Christ, nor did God establish the Church as the means of redemption, but instead the Church was established to proclaim the free gift of God's salvation, Jesus Christ. The Church did absolutely nothing to redeem mankind. The Church is not the redeemer, Jesus Christ is. When you can understand the truth as presented in the Bible, you too can be set free.

What amazes me is how someone can profess that they believe in the Bible as the Word of God, and ignore the false doctrines that permeate the organization that they participate in, thinking that no one can be born of the Spirit of God unless they are baptized as an infant into the RCC or Ortho church.

I have an idea, why don't the Roman Catholics start their own forum, and discuss their anti-protestant, anti-waldenese, anti-anabaptist, anti-biblical doctrines with those that believe the same as they do. Or do the Roman Catholics and Orthos just come into forums as this to generate strife and division?

I come here because I find conversations- and arguments- with those I disagree with to be quite interesting. I don't feel the need to participate in a bunker mentality, hiding from dangerous ideas.

I hope that our dangerous ideas don't rattle your bunker too precipitously.

I am getting to know you better each day, and I recognize your ability to backup most of your posts with scriptural references. I don't agree with all of your positions but I am impressed with your biblical knowledge. Your dangerous ideas are only dangerous if I swallow those that are not scriptural. :wink:
I think that you and I got off on the wrong foot together, and I am attempting to understand you and your beliefs.
Thanks for the input.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

solo,

Your very good at recycling propoganda. I call it spiritual fruitcake. Your ignorance of Catholicism and Mr. Bennett's (whom I have actually exchanged emails with) is duly noted. If CAtholicism is not about repentence it is about nothing. The difference between Catholicism and Protestantism is that we acknowledge God working in and through us by his grace. And we acknowledge the power of that grace. Grace is an every day even, not a one time event when someone says a sinners prayer. Our works are God working in us, bringing about our salvation and the salvation of others, which is exactly what the Bible says. See Eph 3:20-21. Work out your salvation in fear and trembling dude.

Blessings

The life of a Believer is one of constant submission to the Holy Spirit of God being transformed by the renewing of the mind, not being conformed to the world. Believers are members of the Body of Christ where Jesus is the head. No man or woman is the head of this Church. If you require the sacraments over Jesus Christ you probably are relying on your own devices to be saved. God's grace is the unmerited favor that he bestows upon mankind by giving them the free gift of salvation through his son, Jesus Christ. God did not establish the Church as the authority over Jesus Christ, nor did God establish the Church as the means of redemption, but instead the Church was established to proclaim the free gift of God's salvation, Jesus Christ. The Church did absolutely nothing to redeem mankind. The Church is not the redeemer, Jesus Christ is. When you can understand the truth as presented in the Bible, you too can be set free.

What amazes me is how someone can profess that they believe in the Bible as the Word of God, and ignore the false doctrines that permeate the organization that they participate in, thinking that no one can be born of the Spirit of God unless they are baptized as an infant into the RCC or Ortho church.

I have an idea, why don't the Roman Catholics start their own forum, and discuss their anti-protestant, anti-waldenese, anti-anabaptist, anti-biblical doctrines with those that believe the same as they do. Or do the Roman Catholics and Orthos just come into forums as this to generate strife and division?

I come here because I find conversations- and arguments- with those I disagree with to be quite interesting. I don't feel the need to participate in a bunker mentality, hiding from dangerous ideas.

I hope that our dangerous ideas don't rattle your bunker too precipitously.

I am getting to know you better each day, and I recognize your ability to backup most of your posts with scriptural references. I don't agree with all of your positions but I am impressed with your biblical knowledge. Your dangerous ideas are only dangerous if I swallow those that are not scriptural. :wink:
I think that you and I got off on the wrong foot together, and I am attempting to understand you and your beliefs.
Thanks for the input.

Thanks Solo for that gracious statement. I agree that we began in sore misunderstanding.

I will respond to your post in the other thread as soon as I can- we are now getting into some important distinctives in these issues, and we are discussing them in the manner that Christians can and should. This takes thought and prayer, and I will devote both to my answer.
James

 

[Solo]

solo,

Your very good at recycling propoganda. I call it spiritual fruitcake. Your ignorance of Catholicism and Mr. Bennett's (whom I have actually exchanged emails with) is duly noted. If CAtholicism is not about repentence it is about nothing. The difference between Catholicism and Protestantism is that we acknowledge God working in and through us by his grace. And we acknowledge the power of that grace. Grace is an every day even, not a one time event when someone says a sinners prayer. Our works are God working in us, bringing about our salvation and the salvation of others, which is exactly what the Bible says. See Eph 3:20-21. Work out your salvation in fear and trembling dude.

Blessings

The life of a Believer is one of constant submission to the Holy Spirit of God being transformed by the renewing of the mind, not being conformed to the world. Believers are members of the Body of Christ where Jesus is the head. No man or woman is the head of this Church. If you require the sacraments over Jesus Christ you probably are relying on your own devices to be saved. God's grace is the unmerited favor that he bestows upon mankind by giving them the free gift of salvation through his son, Jesus Christ. God did not establish the Church as the authority over Jesus Christ, nor did God establish the Church as the means of redemption, but instead the Church was established to proclaim the free gift of God's salvation, Jesus Christ. The Church did absolutely nothing to redeem mankind. The Church is not the redeemer, Jesus Christ is. When you can understand the truth as presented in the Bible, you too can be set free.

What amazes me is how someone can profess that they believe in the Bible as the Word of God, and ignore the false doctrines that permeate the organization that they participate in, thinking that no one can be born of the Spirit of God unless they are baptized as an infant into the RCC or Ortho church.

I have an idea, why don't the Roman Catholics start their own forum, and discuss their anti-protestant, anti-waldenese, anti-anabaptist, anti-biblical doctrines with those that believe the same as they do. Or do the Roman Catholics and Orthos just come into forums as this to generate strife and division?

More recycled rhetoric from someone who has no real understanding of the issues that divide us and posts prejuidice rather than substantitive response. The Gospel you preach is the Gospel of anti-catholicism. You have no identity without the Catholic Church to pit your false notions against. If we were not here there would be nothing here for you, for you don't care what Protestants believe that is contrary to what you believe. Protestantism has no real identity without Catholicism. That is a fact. The strife does not come from us but the naysayers who pick at every little detail of the Catholic Church. But this all of course serves God's purpose in showing the bearing of false witness against his Church.

The waldenese interestingly enough believed in the real presence, the sacrement of confession and baptism by the way. :-D .

By the way there are many forums that Catholics primarily post on. These are generally open to Protestants but most of you disapear after a while sad to say because you are unable to persevere in preaching your Gospel of anti-catholicism where the masses do not agree with you. There are plently of anti-catholic boards if you don't like what goes on here. Go to ntrmin.org or baptistboard.com. There they will not care what you believe as long as you are anti-catholic.

Blessings

Will there be any protestants reigning with Jesus Christ during his millennial reign?

 

[thessalonian]

The millenial reign is now. There might be some. I'm not the judge and will leave that up to him. After his second coming there will be no Protestants.

 

[Karma2Grace]

solo,

Your very good at recycling propoganda. I call it spiritual fruitcake. Your ignorance of Catholicism and Mr. Bennett's (whom I have actually exchanged emails with) is duly noted. If CAtholicism is not about repentence it is about nothing. The difference between Catholicism and Protestantism is that we acknowledge God working in and through us by his grace. And we acknowledge the power of that grace. Grace is an every day even, not a one time event when someone says a sinners prayer. Our works are God working in us, bringing about our salvation and the salvation of others, which is exactly what the Bible says. See Eph 3:20-21. Work out your salvation in fear and trembling dude.

Blessings

You are not made right before God by being in a church, or by being baptized, but by receiving Christ (John 1:12), believing that Jesus has risen from the dead (Rom. 10:9), and that justification is by faith (Rom. 5:1) and not by our deeds (Rom. 4:5). It is only true faith that results in true works (James 2), not the other way around.

Roman Catholics, like anyone else, need to trust in Jesus alone for the forgiveness of their sins and not the Catholic sacraments, not the words of the priest, not the pope, not Mary, not the saints, not penance, not indulgences, not the rosary, etc. Jesus alone is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6).

No where the bible says "Salvation by works" , You are confusing between Salvation and Sactification !

 

[Solo]

The millenial reign is now. There might be some. I'm not the judge and will leave that up to him. After his second coming there will be no Protestants.

How long has the millenial reign been going on, and when did it start?
When is the first resurrection?
When is/was satan cast into the bottomless pit?

 

[thessalonian]

The millenial reign is now. There might be some. I'm not the judge and will leave that up to him. After his second coming there will be no Protestants.

How long has the millenial reign been going on, and when did it start?
When is the first resurrection?
When is/was satan cast into the bottomless pit?

Start a Left Behind series thread and maybe I'll answer. You could call Hank Hanagraph also. He'll tell ya. By the way, where are the cattle on a thousdand hills?

 

[Solo]

The millenial reign is now. There might be some. I'm not the judge and will leave that up to him. After his second coming there will be no Protestants.

How long has the millenial reign been going on, and when did it start?
When is the first resurrection?
When is/was satan cast into the bottomless pit?

Start a Left Behind series thread and maybe I'll answer. You could call Hank Hanagraph also. He'll tell ya. By the way, where are the cattle on a thousdand hills?

Thanks for answering the questions.

 

[thessalonian]

You are not made right before God by being in a church, or by being baptized, but by receiving Christ (John 1:12), believing that Jesus has risen from the dead (Rom. 10:9), and that justification is by faith (Rom. 5:1) and not by our deeds (Rom. 4:5). It is only true faith that results in true works (James 2), not the other way around.

Where have I said works result in faith such that a man would do works alone and be saved. You are quite correct that there is no value in works that are not backed up by faith. It seems you agree there is no value in faith that is not backed up with works. Catholicism teaches that it's about believing in Christ. One would not get baptized unless they believed so baptism flows from faith. I don't know of anyone who has ever been baptized that did not believe in Jesus. We most certainly must however act on our faith and do what Christ commands.

Roman Catholics, like anyone else, need to trust in Jesus alone for the forgiveness of their sins and not the Catholic sacraments, not the words of the priest, not the pope, not Mary, not the saints, not penance, not indulgences, not the rosary, etc. Jesus alone is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6).

You raise false dichotomies and straw men like everyone else. Fist of all I do trust in Christ completely for the forgiveness of my sins. But the sacraments are the grace that Christ won for us on the cross. That is the life that is avaliable to us through them. They are food for our souls.

No where the bible says "Salvation by works" , You are confusing between Salvation and Sactification !

I don't believe in salvation by works, nor does the Church teach it. Salvation is by faith motivating repentence, leading to obedience, working out in love. Works do play a part in salvation you must agree. For they are what we will be judged by if you read Romans 2:4-8 and Matt 25, sheep and the goats. God of course gives us the grace to do his work that will be presented before him on our behalf on judgement day and these works must be done in Christ for there is no good outside of our life in him.

What's Sactification? Haven't heard of it. I have heard of sanctification and no, I'm not confusing anything. I simply don't see God justifying a future sin, which is what you are forced to believe in the OSAS system of error and mayhem. Gosh neighbor, I'm sorry I broke your window with a baseball I can hear my kid saying. "It's not broken", the windup and the pitch. It is now. :P

 

[thessalonian]

The millenial reign is now. There might be some. I'm not the judge and will leave that up to him. After his second coming there will be no Protestants.

How long has the millenial reign been going on, and when did it start?
When is the first resurrection?
When is/was satan cast into the bottomless pit?

Start a Left Behind series thread and maybe I'll answer. You could call Hank Hanagraph also. He'll tell ya. By the way, where are the cattle on a thousdand hills?

Thanks for answering the questions.

Thank you in advance for trying to stay on topic. Peace.

 

[Karma2Grace]

Works do play a part in salvation you must agree

Works play no part on salvation but sanctification, If works played any part on salvation then it is not Grace , You are saying the sacrifice of Jesus is not enough so the person has to work for his salvation !

Show me a proof from bible that salvation requires work

Any words about Purgatory or Immaculate conception?

 

[thessalonian]

Works do play a part in salvation you must agree

Works play no part on salvation but sanctification, If works played any part on salvation then it is not Grace , You are saying the sacrifice of Jesus is not enough so the person has to work for his salvation !

Show me a proof from bible that salvation requires work

Any words about Purgatory or Immaculate conception?

[3] Do you suppose, O man, that when you judge those who do such things and yet do them yourself, you will escape the judgment of God?
[4] Or do you presume upon the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience? Do you not know that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?
[5] But by your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.
[6] For he will render to every man according to his works:
[7] to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;
[8] but for those who are factious and do not obey the truth, but obey wickedness, there will be wrath and fury.
[9] There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek,
[10] but glory and honor and peace for every one who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek.
Matt 25

[32] Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats,
[33] and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left.
[34] Then the King will say to those at his right hand, `Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world;
[35] for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,
[36] I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.'
[37] Then the righteous will answer him, `Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink?
[38] And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee?
[39] And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?'
[40] And the King will answer them, `Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.'
[41] Then he will say to those at his left hand, `Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels;
[42] for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
[43] I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.'
[44] Then they also will answer, `Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?'
[45] Then he will answer them, `Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.'
[46] And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

There are many other verses that show ya better bear from fruit but I'm thinking these two pretty well speak for themselves.

blessings

 

[Merry Menagerie]

3. Pope Leo XIII, in 1891 – “No one can approach Christ except through His mother.â€Â

You're joking!!!!

You have got to be kidding me! I can't believe what I'm reading! I didn't think it was THAT bad. I guess my father wasn't exagerating then - I was beginning to think he may have been. Actually I was hoping against hope that he was. How horrible for God!!! My heart aches right now!