The OT law and those sacrifices could not justify. Only flawless keeping of that OT law would justify and none could keep it perfectly, other than Christ. Therefore faith played no part of the OT and justification of man.
Are you saying no one in the O.T. was saved?
If not and you're right,,,does this mean that those that WERE saved, obeyed every single law perfectly as you state was necessary?
So Abraham and all the persons named in Hebrews 11 were not saved and they did not have faith? Or do you believe they kept the law perfectly --- as is your claim to O.T. salvation.
But back under the OT law of Moses when it was still in effect, those Jews did not have the shed blood of Christ simply because it had not yet been shed. All they had was the blood of bulls and goats that could not take away sin and justify. If the blood of bulls and goats could justify then no reason for Christ to shed His blood nor any need for the NT.
If O.T. persons were sanctified....then by necessity they were also justified.
And, as I've stated before,,,,ALL MEN, have been saved by Jesus' blood.
Time does not exist in heaven.
Jesus freed those awaiting his resurrection in Abraham's Bossom (Luke 16), but they were saved by faith by the blood of Jesus...just like we are today. It is the Holy Spirit that was different in the O.T.
There has always been a reason for Jesus to die for our sins...even IF the blood of animals forgave sin. Do you know the atonement theories? Jesus had MANY reasons to die for us.
One of them is to free us from satan's grip.
The reason they sinned was because no one, other than Christ, is perfectly sinless. There is no indwelling of the Holy Spirit that will keep a man from sinning thereby be perfectly sinless...as Paul declared 'all have sinned'. The Apostles had a miraculous indwelling of the Holy Ghost but still sinned.
Agreed.
You're repeating what I said.
There was condemnation under the OT law for all it did was condemn when a person committed one sin, it showed no mercy, no forgiveness. But it is not like this under the NT for Christians are those who are in Christ clothed in Christ's perfect righteousness therefore seen as perfect by God through Christ. Again, they did not have this under the OT law. As long as the Christian walks in the light, then Christ's blood washes away all sins leaving the Christi spotless, blamess, with wrinkle...perfect before God (2 Peter 3:14; Ephesians 5:27). Again, this s something they did not have under the OT law of Moses.
Agreed.
Of course I could ask what it means to walk in the light.
Jesus is the light of men.
To walk in the light means to walk with Him.
If we walk with Him we also obey His commands.
Romans 8:3 " For what the law could not do,..."
Paul speaks of what that OT law could not do, as I mentioned above the things it could not do, it could not take away sin, could not forgive, could not bring a person to "no condemnation" as the NT can.
Why could the OT law not bring one "no condemnation"? ".... in that it was weak through the flesh ...". The OT required flawless law keeping to not be condemned but human flesh is too weak to keep it perfectly. Nothing was wrong with the OT law God gave it was only weak pertaining to man's flesh. This was the 'fault" God saw with the OT (Hebrews 8:7-8). Had 'flesh' been able to keep the OT covenant perfectly, then no need for a second covenant (NT).
The New Covenant is not the second covenant.
Please explain how the O.T. laws required perfect law keeping if the sacrificial system was in effect. Animals were sacrificed and sins were forgiven.
NO ONE has ever kept the law perfectly....
The Law was given for different reasons, one being to show man what sin is.
Where there is no law, there is no sin.
Romans 5:12-14
12Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—
13for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
" ...God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: " What the OT law could not do God did by sending Christ to die for man's sins, shed His blood making Christ a propitiation for man's sins. Man's sins could then all be washed away by the blood of Christ, God remembers those sins no more leaving a man totally justified before God.
Romans 8:4 " That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. "
Again, that OT law required strict, flawless law keeping, required fulfilling ALL those laws perfectly which the Jew could not do. Yet this flawless law keeping the OT law required was fulfilled in Christ in that Christ did keep it perfectly. So being "in Christ" and faithfully remaining in Christ the Christian is seen by God as being as sinless as Christ.
Romans 8:4 states, as you've posted, that we are not to walk after the flesh but after the spirit.
Walking after the spirit is something we do to please God.
Please explain about keeping the law perfectly in the O.T. if sacrificing animals forgave sins.
Those who are in Christ are those who walk not after the flesh (Romans 6:2 the Christian is one who dead to sin) but after the Spirit. To walk after the Spirit means one obeys the Spirit's word, the Bible, and live life according to that word.
Paul is writing this to Christians, those who walk after the Spirit and as long as they continue to obey the Spirit's word they will continue to have Christ's blood wash away all their sins leaving them without spot and blame before God.
Agreed.
What is the Spirit's word?
