For over 20 years I have asked for those scriptures that teach a pretrib Rapture, but yet no one can seem to give them to me. I use to believe in pretrib only because I followed all those who taught this thinking they should know what they are talking about as being Pastor's, but yet could never find it in the Bible as they love to use Rev 4:1 as their go to scripture, but does not say John was taken up to heaven, but that he was only in the Spirit right there on the isle of Patmos when he received all those visions.i am pre trib and no i do not get it from any man.. it amazes me when it comes to rapture time line if one holds to pretrib .then those that hold to after trib rapture always say man made and Rapture fable
so curious how has it been proven wrong by some man who thinks he knows all sees all or has the rapture taken place? btw the only way to prove one or the other is the rapture to have already happened !
Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.