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and hereeeeeeeeeeeeeeee we go again you have posted nothing your self say thus saith the Lord we will go through the great tribulation .
You are right so right as I have been caught up with refuting your remarks against Walpole and against what you have said to me as I should have known better so here you go as to what scripture says about the church, being the body of Christ, going through all of that of what has been written in Rev as we are not caught up to Christ until He returns on that last day.

A lot of you might scoff and think this is foolishness, especially those of you that are not in the Lord or allow man to teach you instead of the Holy Spirit, but God said in Daniel 12:4 and Proverbs 10:14 that knowledge would increase more towards the end of days and what God has been revealing to me through the Holy Spirit has been a warning to not be afraid of what must come, but to prepare ourselves to learn how to endure what we are going to have to go through before the return of Christ. Hosea 4:6 says my people perish for lack of knowledge.

Most pastors teach a pretrib rapture, but this is false teaching and not according to what God has already taught us. Matthew 24 shows us exactly what must come first and God said to those who endure until the end of days will be his elect. Daniel 7:23-27; Revelation 13:1-10; Revelation 17; Luke 21:36 are just a few scriptures of God showing us we will go through much tribulation. The Bible mentions nothing about a so called seven year tribulation period, but states we have always had tribulation from the beginning of time when Adam and Eve sinned against God.

Below I have explained with scripture that the True Church of Christ (body of Christ) alive at His coming or a sleep in the grave will be caught up to Christ on the last day when Christ returns.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The Church, which represents the bride of Christ, will face seeing much tribulation as it will be hard to bare seeing Gods wrath poured out on the unjust as those who are anointed by God's Holy Spirit are sent out to preach to them before we enter into the kingdom of God (New Jerusalem). There are many false teachings that teach we are taken out of here before some seven year Great Tribulation, but there is no scripture that speaks of a seven year Great Tribulation, but only 3 1/2 years. Some also teach that after Rev Chapter 4 the Church is no longer here on earth. If this were the case then why did Jesus say that those who endure until the end will be saved. The end of what, the end of days or as scripture calls it that great and terrible day of the Lord when final judgment will be passed as the Sheep are separated from the goats and the goats are cast into the lake of fire with Satan, the beast and false prophets.

By studying all the scriptures below in Revelations I come to the conclusion we will see much tribulation, but not to fear what must come, but stand strong in the faith of Christ Jesus as the Holy Spirit strengthens us to stand and endure until the coming of the Lord as God has a place prepared for us in the wilderness as His wrath passes over the earth, Rev 12:6. We need to be His witnesses as a faithful servant until He returns. God's wrath is not for the elect of God as they are kept from it falling on them and when we see the abomination that causes desolation, Daniel Chapter 7; Matthew 24:15-22; Rev Chapter 13, we are to flee from taking its mark as we stand in a greater faith in Christ that we need not fear that which has to come first before Christ returns, Matthew 10:28, but that we need to be prepared as His Bride when He does return on the last day and destroys the beast and false prophet at His coming, Rev 19.

Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God as we are also His disciples.

Mat 24:13,29-31 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 3:5; 19:8 Jesus is telling us to watch for the signs of His coming and to overcome so that our names are not blotted out of the Lamb's book of life.

Rev 5:13; 6:17; 7:1-5 On earth and under the earth are those who are still here until the end of days as God's wrath begins with the opening of the seventh seal.

Rev 6:9-11 Note where John says fellow servants and brethren that should be killed as they were, which means those of the elect of God who refuse to take the mark of the beast and will die a martyr's death for their faith in Christ.

Rev 7:13-17 Which came out of great tribulation is the fullness of the Gentiles who also died a martyr's death for the sake of Christ.

Rev 8:13 Three woes are that of warning the people on earth that the last three trumpets are about to sound.

Rev 13:11-18 Here John is showing us about mystery Babylon ruling the world as a one world government. 666 represents the number of the beast and the mark is the action of the hands and thoughts of the mind as many will be deceived and accept this mark.

Rev 14:14-20 The harvest of Gods Children who are still alive at this time as they are being protected against the vial judgments that will fall on those who have rejected Christ.

Rev 16:11,15 And they repented not. The elect of God are told to watch for the return of Christ as He comes like a theif and we are to keep our garments clean and not found in shame

Rev 18:23, 24 We have now come out of great tribulation through the persecution of the revived Roman Empire and Christ is about to return for His Bride

Rev 19:7,8 We being the Bride of Christ have now made ourselves ready for His coming as those who are still alive at this time and asleep in the grave have endured until the last day when Christ returns and destroys the beast and false prophet and sends His angels out to gather the Bride up to meet Jesus in the air.

Rev 20:4-6 These verses show that we went through much annihilation and endured until the end being the last day when Christ returns.

Rev 20:12-15 The Great White Throne judgment and Jesus judgment for the works we did or did not do for him here on earth
 
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Most pastors teach a pretrb rapture, but this is false teaching and not according to what God has already taught us.
ya know one minute your crying wolf and puff up like a toad frog . then you post the above false doctrine . i am calling your hand :eek2 . this is exactly what created this so in turn i say to You . that your posting false doctrine and you posted No scripture . saying we go through tribulation . which in essence is saying you will face the wrath of God saved or not saved. then after you went through 9 kinds of hell on earth. you will be raptured out.. that should encourage a new convert. you explain in scripture why a born again Child of God would go through all the torment's mainly from rev chapt 5 till the end . if that is salvation and i was a lost person. my words to you would be no thanks.. there is no hope in your theory
 
ya know one minute your crying wolf and puff up like a toad frog . then you post the above false doctrine . i am calling your hand :eek2 . this is exactly what created this so in turn i say to You . that your posting false doctrine and you posted No scripture . saying we go through tribulation . which in essence is saying you will face the wrath of God saved or not saved. then after you went through 9 kinds of hell on earth. you will be raptured out.. that should encourage a new convert. you explain in scripture why a born again Child of God would go through all the torment's mainly from rev chapt 5 till the end . if that is salvation and i was a lost person. my words to you would be no thanks.. there is no hope in your theory
Believe what the word of God says, or don't believe it. I never ask anyone to agree with me and I have seen no scripture from you that there is a teaching of pretrib Rapture in the Bible. These are my beliefs with scripture. You have every right to believe what you will as I have every right to believe what I will. If we disagree then so be it.
 
I'm sorry Edward as I see nothing of a pretrib Rapture in any of those verses, but more about waiting until Christ returns.

We have to be careful when we read in the new testament to not confuse the rapture scriptures with the 2nd coming scriptures. There is two more times that the Lord will visit the earth. At the rapture and He cones like a thief in the night, which is to say, by surprise when people do not expect Him, but, every eye will see them as it is happening on earth. It will be obvious that it is the rapture. We meet Him in the air and go Home with Hime from there.

At His 2nd coming, His feet will touch down to the earth in the Mt of Olives. Then after He puts the enemy down, He restores earth.

The big question I have for you is, If the rapture is at the same time as His 2nd coming, then when is the marriage supper of the Lamb supposed to happen?

I figure, He raptures us, and we go to Heaven to have the marriage supper of the Lamb while the tribulation is taking place on the earth. Then He returns with all His saints with Him...!

So I don't think you can be raptured and then return with the Lord at the same time! This is truth and we must pay particularly close attention to the text that gives us the clues. The two visits of Jesus coming. One time He is in the air, another time He steps down on earth.

It's not in one more visit that both a rapture and end of the earth as we know it happen. Two visits. Rapyure first. To set up HIS Kingdom second.

All of those scriptures all talk about either the rapture or the 2nd coming. It's not one subject, it's two. Describimg different events and a close examination of all those passages as delivered in context should reveal this to you.

If it's all one event, why even need a rapture? Rapture from what? Tribulation? Yes.

Enoch was raptured, remember? Taken away and saved. Then judgment came pretty quick, Noah and the Flood.

God always raptures someone before the judgment...
The Judgment of Tribulation is coming, so...there will be a rapture. For His Bride.

If the Bride goes through the Tribulation and afterwards is the Marriage Supper of the Lamb then is this Date Nite, Okay Honey I am going to let some people beat the tar out of you, and then we'll go to dinner...??!! Are you for real? God is not like that! Not the God I know! He Loves you more than that.
 
I have seen no scripture from you that there is a teaching of pretrib Rapture in the Bible. These are my beliefs with scripture. You have every right to believe what you will as I have every right to believe what I will. If we disagree then so be it.
shazam you go on the defense when the tables are turned. my reply to you was this ====== show me scripture that says thus saith the Lord we go through the Great tribulation . them exact words other wise all we have is what they call interpterion. :bible
 
shazam you go on the defense when the tables are turned. my reply to you was this ====== show me scripture that says thus saith the Lord we go through the Great tribulation . them exact words other wise all we have is what they call interpterion. :bible
Post #41, I never go on the defense, but since you can not provide scripture then there is nothing more to discuss with you. At least Edward gave scriptures from a pretrib view even though I see nothing about a pretrib in them, but he presented them and that is appreciated.
 
We have to be careful when we read in the new testament to not confuse the rapture scriptures with the 2nd coming scriptures. There is two more times that the Lord will visit the earth. At the rapture and He cones like a thief in the night, which is to say, by surprise when people do not expect Him, but, every eye will see them as it is happening on earth. It will be obvious that it is the rapture. We meet Him in the air and go Home with Hime from there.

At His 2nd coming, His feet will touch down to the earth in the Mt of Olives. Then after He puts the enemy down, He restores earth.

The big question I have for you is, If the rapture is at the same time as His 2nd coming, then when is the marriage supper of the Lamb supposed to happen?

I figure, He raptures us, and we go to Heaven to have the marriage supper of the Lamb while the tribulation is taking place on the earth. Then He returns with all His saints with Him...!

So I don't think you can be raptured and then return with the Lord at the same time! This is truth and we must pay particularly close attention to the text that gives us the clues. The two visits of Jesus coming. One time He is in the air, another time He steps down on earth.

It's not in one more visit that both a rapture and end of the earth as we know it happen. Two visits. Rapyure first. To set up HIS Kingdom second.

All of those scriptures all talk about either the rapture or the 2nd coming. It's not one subject, it's two. Describimg different events and a close examination of all those passages as delivered in context should reveal this to you.

If it's all one event, why even need a rapture? Rapture from what? Tribulation? Yes.

Enoch was raptured, remember? Taken away and saved. Then judgment came pretty quick, Noah and the Flood.

God always raptures someone before the judgment...
The Judgment of Tribulation is coming, so...there will be a rapture. For His Bride.

If the Bride goes through the Tribulation and afterwards is the Marriage Supper of the Lamb then is this Date Nite, Okay Honey I am going to let some people beat the tar out of you, and then we'll go to dinner...??!! Are you for real? God is not like that! Not the God I know! He Loves you more than that.
Nowhere in scripture does it say Jesus returns twice.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Right before Christ returns the great harlot and mystery Babylon will be destroyed, Rev 17, 18. The marriage supper of the Lamb follows after this with Christ returning in the air with His army of angels who are the host of heaven, Rev 19:11-14. He sends them out to the four corners of the earth to gather all who are dead and still alive at His coming that are His own as we are then gathered up in the clouds to meet Him in the air, Matthew 24:29-31; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.

Rev 19:6-9 The marriage supper of the Lamb, is our union with Christ at His coming as will be caught up to Christ as described in Matthew 24:29-31; John 5:28,29; 6:40; 1 Corinthians 15:51-58 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. The timing has finally come as those who are Christ own through the Spiritual rebirth from above, John 3:5-7, Romans 10:9, 10, have endured all things of this earth as they have overcome all the trials and temptations through Christ who overcame the world, John 16:33 will now see the kingdom of God.

Let me ask you a question? How do you understand Rev 20:4 since you believe we will be out of here even before the son of perdition takes his seat in Jerusalem causing all to take the mark of this beast and if those who are Christ own will not denounce Him they will be beheaded and die a martyr's death. This all takes place before Christ returns. Remember this is the vision John was given and is yet future

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


 
Post #41, I never go on the defense, but since you can not provide scripture then there is nothing more to discuss with you. At least Edward gave scriptures from a pretrib view even though I see nothing about a pretrib in them, but he presented them and that is appreciated.
lol you just got on the defense again and makes the 2nd or 3rd time you said nothing more to discuss .

please be aware i could care less about your rapture stance. my point is and always will be . when you post pre trib is false teaching . you can not post anything that says thus saith the Lord .. what it boils down to neither of us can prove beyond a shadow of doubt pre or after . its going to take place the exact way God wants it to. drop the false teaching and all is cool.
 
Psalm chapter 50 to document that All thought God is quite now. Accountability is coming on the lords day, 7th trump. Those who promote the rapture doctrine, which is false doctrine and lies, will suffer serious consequences when Jesus returns 7th trump. It amounts to Stupidity !!. Those who hold positions as shepherds will find out on judgement day, their spiritual murderers, and will go with satan into lake of fire. James chapter 3, those who are teachers will be judged very strictly by Jesus. The word masters is teacher's. Peter chapter 4, judgement starts with house of God. Anyone stupid enough to twist God's word around for self promotion, or inflate your ego, or RIP people off, are going into lake of fire. Jesus doesn't play games. Satan as false messiah will arrive first, 6th trump. At 7th trump, Jesus arrives in Jerusalem. These fake brethren are going to pay for their Stupidity when Jesus returns. Their wont be any ha ha ha. Their will be tears, and anguish, knowing on judgement day, its over for false preachers and false brethren. I wont apologize for telling the truth. I documented this.
 
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