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Bible Study WELCOME TO AN IN DEPTH STUDY OF MATTHEW'S GOSPEL.
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th1b.taylor even thought you are totally 
wrong in Post #199... I am so very happy for your remission 
wrong in Post #199... I am so very happy for your remission wonderful Cowboy just wonderful :amen
th1b.taylor
Member
A lot of people think that disagreement is fatal but, really, it is reason to dig and either confirm or to change.
As for cowboy, it would have tickled Grandpa Schoenberg and Grandpa Sierra pink had I followed their lead, stayed off stage and had not become a drug store Cowboy... but, the girls thought I looked good. :dunce
th1b.taylor
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That looks way too much like a young Bill Taylor. This one even has a Silver Belly on. The only thing missing is a flashing beer sign. Every honky tonk and juke joint in Texas is sponsored by, at least one brewery. You made me smile here.
Chopper
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That's wonderful news, old warrior! Praise God that you were able to get the strength of the Lord to go and teach your class.
Chopper
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Oh, oh Reba, TOG is probably going to jump all over me because I cautioned him on using words that would prompt debate like yours...."totally disagree.
oops sorry .... Ol Bill took it like i meant... with a :yes smile... i will work to remember to curb my words... .. 
Matt 2 2:6
Mat 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
Mat 2:3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
Mat 2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
Mat 2:5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
Mat 2:6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
Mat 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
Mat 2:3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
Mat 2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
Mat 2:5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
Mat 2:6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
Guessing the star appeared to them at His birth...it took them some where in the neighbor hood of 2 years to get to Jerusalem .... I wonder where they were?
Was God speaking to others besides the Hebrews alone...? v.5 they knew the Word written in the scrolls
Joseph and Mary stayed in Bethlehem for at lest 40 days.... ( good ol 40)
Was God speaking to others besides the Hebrews alone...? v.5 they knew the Word written in the scrolls
Joseph and Mary stayed in Bethlehem for at lest 40 days.... ( good ol 40)
Deborah13
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I think you are correct. The birth of the Redeemer of all mankind was announced to the whole world. If God chose to announce His birth by using the stars in the sky so that ones like the wise men would get the message then that message was very important and they understood that this was a very important event.
When they left I suspect they were changed. They ignored Herod's command and went home without telling Herod where to find Jesus.
It would be really wonderful if through archeology an inscription was found that documented this event.
There were many people who said that King David was mythical character but archeology has proven that he really existed.
th1b.taylor
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I have read a few commentators that placed these men on the far side of the Euphrates or east of the former Babylon. Beyond that there seems to be a good deal of debate. Most seem to agree that these magicians were educated of the birth from the Jewish Bible by Daniel. To my knowledge, the rest remains a mystery.
Chopper
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Day 10 Tuesday 9/23/14 Matthew 2:2-6 King Of The Jews?
Mat 2:2 "Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him."
These wise men from Persia were, among other things, astrologers, and who would be very interested in this new star. This, according to many writers, saw this star was miraculous. These magi probably knew a lot about about Jewish customs and folklore having access to Jews in Babylon. It was not an uncommon thing for the captives in Babylon to boast of their "King of the Jews" who would set them free and stomp all their enemies. This Star we see again in v.9 and we see it moving. The reason I feel that it was a miraculous star is it reminds me of the Shekinah Glory of the cloud by day and the pillar of fire at night that moved to direct the Israelites when escaping from Pharaoh.
These were heathen men who were magicians and were basically not God fearing folk. When it says that they came to worship, it should be better said, came to pay homage to this new king.
Mat 2:3 "When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him."
Herod certainly would be troubled indeed! Here is a person of whom the Jews knew from previous prophesies that their King would come after King David and rule. He was tremendously jealous of that news which meant that his throne was in trouble. The statement of the Magi that all Jerusalem was troubled, could mean that their not so holy lives were in for a drastic change and Herod was not known as a gentle king, he was actually ruthless and that meant that he, might cause him to get ruthless with the Jews, especially in the area of Bethlehem, Judah.
Mat 2:4 "And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born."
I emphasized the word all because that included, IMO, all the chief priest's who were the Sadduces and the scribes who were the pharisees. This tells me that this event should give all of the Jews NO EXCUSE that their Messiah had arrived. Here is the fulfillment of Isaiah's prophesy.
Good old Herod jumps on his authoritative, push those loser's around band wagon, and demand where this alleged King would be born. Oh oh, trouble is a coming.
Mat 2:5 "And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
Mat 2:6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel."
The prophet Micah in 5:2 prophesies the exact location which again, gives the Jews no excuse to reject their Messiah Jesus from being the one they were waiting for.
Mat 2:2 "Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him."
These wise men from Persia were, among other things, astrologers, and who would be very interested in this new star. This, according to many writers, saw this star was miraculous. These magi probably knew a lot about about Jewish customs and folklore having access to Jews in Babylon. It was not an uncommon thing for the captives in Babylon to boast of their "King of the Jews" who would set them free and stomp all their enemies. This Star we see again in v.9 and we see it moving. The reason I feel that it was a miraculous star is it reminds me of the Shekinah Glory of the cloud by day and the pillar of fire at night that moved to direct the Israelites when escaping from Pharaoh.
These were heathen men who were magicians and were basically not God fearing folk. When it says that they came to worship, it should be better said, came to pay homage to this new king.
Mat 2:3 "When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him."
Herod certainly would be troubled indeed! Here is a person of whom the Jews knew from previous prophesies that their King would come after King David and rule. He was tremendously jealous of that news which meant that his throne was in trouble. The statement of the Magi that all Jerusalem was troubled, could mean that their not so holy lives were in for a drastic change and Herod was not known as a gentle king, he was actually ruthless and that meant that he, might cause him to get ruthless with the Jews, especially in the area of Bethlehem, Judah.
Mat 2:4 "And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born."
I emphasized the word all because that included, IMO, all the chief priest's who were the Sadduces and the scribes who were the pharisees. This tells me that this event should give all of the Jews NO EXCUSE that their Messiah had arrived. Here is the fulfillment of Isaiah's prophesy.
Good old Herod jumps on his authoritative, push those loser's around band wagon, and demand where this alleged King would be born. Oh oh, trouble is a coming.
Mat 2:5 "And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
Mat 2:6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel."
The prophet Micah in 5:2 prophesies the exact location which again, gives the Jews no excuse to reject their Messiah Jesus from being the one they were waiting for.
Deborah13
Member
Adam Clarke also speaks of this in his commentary. It's too long to post here but this is the last statement and the link to the whole.
"It is very probable that the persons mentioned by the evangelist were a sort of astrologers, probably of Jewish extraction, that they lived in Arabia-Felix, and, for the reasons above given, came to worship their new-born sovereign. It is worthy of remark, that the Anglo-saxon translates the word Μαγοι by astrologers, from a star or planet, and to know or understand."
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/clarke/matthew/2.htm
Deborah13
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I know that there were astrology is very, very, old. Just as today they read the stars.
But as you say these ones in the scripture may have been more like astronomers in that they studied the movements of the stars in the heavens. When their was something unusual, such as a star that wasn't there before, the location of a star was not the same, etc., they would have noticed it.
th1b.taylor
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Nice post Deb.
Reba, all I have been able to come up with is that they appear to be part of the beginners that, earnestly, studied the heavenly bodies and their movements. I have seen some that agree with me and some that do not but my personal take on this is that the ancient man, from all over the earth, studied the stars to predict the future and to read the current events for a cause of the situation. What I read in the scriptures of the Persians (Iranians) my take aligns with scripture.
I believe (can not confirm it) that our science of the planet studies grew out of our wanting to know the future.
Chopper
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Chopper
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I really liked what you said, "When they left I suspect they were changed. They ignored Herod's command and went home without telling Herod where to find Jesus." When those wise men came, they were heathen. I have wondered the same thing as you in that they refused to tell Herod. Wouldn't it be wonderful to meet these men someday in Glory.