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Aren't we glad we have a High Priest who is incorruptible and perfect in all His ways!
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We can all be proud it is not Bil Taylor, on my best days I am rough as an old Corn Cob. I have known thousands of others that I'll not name that I am so proud they are not my Judge.
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Day 13 Friday 9/26/14 Matthew 2:13-15 Flee To Egypt.
It just struck me as I was reading these verses, that right from the start, only two years old, people were out to kill the Savior of the world. No one was able to lay a murderous hand on Jesus, until He was ready to give up His life Himself! I still get a kick out of the account listed in Scripture, Luke 4:29 where Jesus was teaching in a synagogue and identified with what Isaiah spoke, they were so upset that Jesus identified Himself with God, they brought Jesus to the brow of a hill to throw Him off it, and ""passing through their midst, He went away."
Is Jesus powerful, or what?
Mat 2:13 "And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him."
It seems as though as soon as the wise men departed the house where young Jesus lived, the holy family retired for the night. At some time that night, Gabriel spoke to Joseph in a dream and said, "arise" get out of bed, gather Mary and Jesus and go by night to Egypt.
The boarder of Egypt was not all that far. Now, the gold and other gifts would be used to finance their trip. Isn't God just so great to know before events even happen that He knows what will happen as well as to provide the necessary fund's and equipment for a journey. I think of missionaries that are called by God to go to a foreign land to spread the Gospel, I have seen their supplies come in supernaturally. I have also seen folk that think their called, but are still waiting for funds to come in and it's been years waiting. They were not called by God.
Men like Herod, Hitler, and women like Jezebel will get their just punishment when the Judge of all ages has His say-so. I can't even imagine what goes thru a man's heart that purposes to kill innocent children to further his own advancement. Murderer is a just reputation.
Mat 2:14 "When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt."
Mat 2:15 "And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son."
I wonder if Herod ever connected the horrible disease that came on him to take his life, to his murderous reign on the infants in Bethlehem. I also wonder if this disease was God's attempt at causing Herod to repent and become a believer. I guess we'll never know.
The Scripture says "Out of Egypt have I called my Son" The prophesy of Hosea 11:1 many interpreters speak of when God led the Nation of Israel out of Egypt from the clutches of Pharaoh. Personally, I see it referring to this exact set of circumstances. Jesus is in Egypt, but after Herod dies, God calls His Son back out of Egypt.
It just struck me as I was reading these verses, that right from the start, only two years old, people were out to kill the Savior of the world. No one was able to lay a murderous hand on Jesus, until He was ready to give up His life Himself! I still get a kick out of the account listed in Scripture, Luke 4:29 where Jesus was teaching in a synagogue and identified with what Isaiah spoke, they were so upset that Jesus identified Himself with God, they brought Jesus to the brow of a hill to throw Him off it, and ""passing through their midst, He went away."
Is Jesus powerful, or what?Mat 2:13 "And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him."
It seems as though as soon as the wise men departed the house where young Jesus lived, the holy family retired for the night. At some time that night, Gabriel spoke to Joseph in a dream and said, "arise" get out of bed, gather Mary and Jesus and go by night to Egypt.
The boarder of Egypt was not all that far. Now, the gold and other gifts would be used to finance their trip. Isn't God just so great to know before events even happen that He knows what will happen as well as to provide the necessary fund's and equipment for a journey. I think of missionaries that are called by God to go to a foreign land to spread the Gospel, I have seen their supplies come in supernaturally. I have also seen folk that think their called, but are still waiting for funds to come in and it's been years waiting. They were not called by God.
Men like Herod, Hitler, and women like Jezebel will get their just punishment when the Judge of all ages has His say-so. I can't even imagine what goes thru a man's heart that purposes to kill innocent children to further his own advancement. Murderer is a just reputation.
Mat 2:14 "When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt."
Mat 2:15 "And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son."
I wonder if Herod ever connected the horrible disease that came on him to take his life, to his murderous reign on the infants in Bethlehem. I also wonder if this disease was God's attempt at causing Herod to repent and become a believer. I guess we'll never know.
The Scripture says "Out of Egypt have I called my Son" The prophesy of Hosea 11:1 many interpreters speak of when God led the Nation of Israel out of Egypt from the clutches of Pharaoh. Personally, I see it referring to this exact set of circumstances. Jesus is in Egypt, but after Herod dies, God calls His Son back out of Egypt.
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no pampers.. no motels, air conditioning, no running water... and in fear...
I know you know Chopper
but writing it out helps me to grasp again the ease of daily life we are blessed with while bringing to mind their struggles..
I like the pace .... gives stuff time to soak in...
. you try that with a toddler
no pampers.. no motels, air conditioning, no running water... and in fear... I know you know Chopper
but writing it out helps me to grasp again the ease of daily life we are blessed with while bringing to mind their struggles.. I like the pace .... gives stuff time to soak in...
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I agree with Reba, I like the pace for the same reason.
In thinking about the power of people like Herod it makes me thankful for the life we have in this country and that very few have this kind of power anywhere in the world today. Herod killed his own wives, children, rabbis, etc. anyone who stood in his way by threatening his position of power.
In thinking about the power of people like Herod it makes me thankful for the life we have in this country and that very few have this kind of power anywhere in the world today. Herod killed his own wives, children, rabbis, etc. anyone who stood in his way by threatening his position of power.
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Chopper . you try that with a toddler
I know you know Chopper
I like the pace .... gives stuff time to soak in...
Thanks Reba, I agree that the trip was a bummer. Somewhere I read that the distance between Bethlehem and the boarder of Egypt was either 60 or 90 miles. I searched over my readings, and couldn't find it again, grrr.
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I see the following scriptures as it relates to their fleeing to Egypt.
Jer 30:7
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it:
it is even the time of Jacob's trouble;
but he shall be saved out of it.
Jer 30:10
Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord;
neither be dismayed, O Israel:
for, lo, I will save thee from afar,
and thy seed from the land of their captivity;
and Jacob shall return,
and shall be in rest, and be quiet,
and none shall make him afraid.
The land of their captivity was Egypt.
Matt 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod:that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son. (See also Hosea 11:1)
Jer 30:7
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it:
it is even the time of Jacob's trouble;
but he shall be saved out of it.
Jer 30:10
Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord;
neither be dismayed, O Israel:
for, lo, I will save thee from afar,
and thy seed from the land of their captivity;
and Jacob shall return,
and shall be in rest, and be quiet,
and none shall make him afraid.
The land of their captivity was Egypt.
Matt 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod:that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son. (See also Hosea 11:1)
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Their travels were from Bethlehem - just a few miles south of Jeruselem - to some unnamed location in Egypt. The largest city in Egypt at that time would be Alexandria. Just using a ruler on the map, the distance between these two cities appears to be about 320 miles (512km).
http://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_miles_did_Joseph_and_Mary_travel_from_Bethlehem_to_Egypt
http://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_miles_did_Joseph_and_Mary_travel_from_Bethlehem_to_Egypt
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Day 13 Saturday 9/27/14 Matthew 2:16-18 Herod A murderer Of Kids.
Mat 2:16 "Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
Mat 2:17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying,
Mat 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not."
What a sad, sad event in the lives of Hebrew families in Bethlehem. I just can't imagine the terror in those parents of their young sons. I can just see them trying to hide their boys from the blood crazed soldiers. I wouldn't be surprised if some day we discover that some of the sons escaped the slaughter. It would seem to me that Joseph might have warned a close friend, or friends, of the impending slaughter, and that they might have gone with Joseph and Mary to Egypt. I'm just thinking that if I was in that place with them. I would do anything to prevent the death of my son. I'm sure I'm no different than those parents.
I read somewhere that, I think it was Augustus, said of Herod the Great. "It would be better to be Herod's hog than his son." As Deb. said, Herod killed people in his own immediate family, she listed them. I can't help thinking that if the wise men hadn't "mocked" or tricked Herod, the events of the slaughter would not have happened. Oh well, they tricked that old stinker Herod, and all that blood is on his hands. I'm sure he'll answer for that some day with the Giver of life!
I have read that the dead children in Bethlehem and surrounding towns amounted to about twenty, give or take.
Jeremiah 31:15 "Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not." (KJV) To me, this is the saddest prophesy for that town. I know that Rachel is dead and buried not far from Bethlehem, but she represents, in my mind, a mother of mothers. Because I'm familiar with the death of my loved one, the statement by Jeremiah "because they were not" is such a final blow. In other word's those mothers will never hold those children again.
What a sad, sad portion of Scripture to comment on. I'm quite sure that parents who read this are struck by the grief that these parents must have gone thru as the soldiers broke down their doors and killed their sons. I'm curious as to how these soldiers knew where all the sons were. I hope they missed some.
Mat 2:16 "Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
Mat 2:17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying,
Mat 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not."
What a sad, sad event in the lives of Hebrew families in Bethlehem. I just can't imagine the terror in those parents of their young sons. I can just see them trying to hide their boys from the blood crazed soldiers. I wouldn't be surprised if some day we discover that some of the sons escaped the slaughter. It would seem to me that Joseph might have warned a close friend, or friends, of the impending slaughter, and that they might have gone with Joseph and Mary to Egypt. I'm just thinking that if I was in that place with them. I would do anything to prevent the death of my son. I'm sure I'm no different than those parents.
I read somewhere that, I think it was Augustus, said of Herod the Great. "It would be better to be Herod's hog than his son." As Deb. said, Herod killed people in his own immediate family, she listed them. I can't help thinking that if the wise men hadn't "mocked" or tricked Herod, the events of the slaughter would not have happened. Oh well, they tricked that old stinker Herod, and all that blood is on his hands. I'm sure he'll answer for that some day with the Giver of life!
I have read that the dead children in Bethlehem and surrounding towns amounted to about twenty, give or take.
Jeremiah 31:15 "Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not." (KJV) To me, this is the saddest prophesy for that town. I know that Rachel is dead and buried not far from Bethlehem, but she represents, in my mind, a mother of mothers. Because I'm familiar with the death of my loved one, the statement by Jeremiah "because they were not" is such a final blow. In other word's those mothers will never hold those children again.
What a sad, sad portion of Scripture to comment on. I'm quite sure that parents who read this are struck by the grief that these parents must have gone thru as the soldiers broke down their doors and killed their sons. I'm curious as to how these soldiers knew where all the sons were. I hope they missed some.
Luke 2:1King James Version (KJV)
2 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed.
Luke 2:1-20Amplified Bible (AMP)
2 In those days it occurred that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that the whole Roman empire should be registered.
Luke 2:1New King James Version (NKJV)
Christ Born of Mary
2 And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered.
Luke 2:1New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
The birth of Jesus
2 In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world.
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That's really pretty simple. Bethlehem 2000 years ago was a small village with probably only a few hundred people at most. There They would have attacked late in the evening or at night, to be sure everyone was at home. Then they would have broken into every home and killed all the male children that looked like they were 2 or younger.
They missed at least one. The Romans were pretty thorough when killing people, but there is a chance that some along the outskirts of town may have escaped when they heard all the screaming that there must have been.
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So Herod would have had access to know all the children who were born when this census was taken.
He just didn't know which boy child it was.
It says they killed all in Bethlehem out to the coasts or bounders of that region.
If I compare that to the little remote area where I live I think that it probably would have included the town and the outlying farms and homes. Those people would have been on that census for the region.
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Day 15 Sunday 9/28/14 Matthew 2:19-23 He Shall Be Called A Nazarene.
Mat 2:19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
Mat 2:20 Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.
Mat 2:21 And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel.
Mat 2:22 But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee:
Mat 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.
The death of Herod The Great was so terrible that I wanted you all to see what John Gill wrote about it, compliments of e-Sword.
"But when Herod was dead,.... Who died, as before observed, a few months after this tragedy was acted; and, according to the (w) Jewish writers, on the seventh day of the month Cisleu, and which answers to the twenty fifth of our November: and was afterwards observed as a day of rejoicing by the Jews. The account which Josephus (x), and from him Eusebius (y), gives of his miserable death, is as follows; a burning fever seized him, with an intolerable itching all over his body, and continual pains of the colic; his feet swelled with a dropsy; he had an inflammation in the lower part of his belly: a putrefaction in his privy parts, which bred worms; a frequency and difficulty of breathing, and convulsions in all his members; he had a voracious appetite, a stinking breath, and his intestines abounded with ulcers; when he found that all means made use of were ineffectual, and that he must die, he attempted to lay violent hands upon himself, but was prevented, and soon after expired in a very miserable manner."
Well, I guess God got the last shot in, until Herod stands before the Judgment Seat of the One he tried to murder. It appears to me that after Joseph was told that the old tyrant was dead, in what Joseph is used to by now, a dream from his favorite Angel, to go back to Israel. Like Abraham, he didn't know just where in Israel he should go with Jesus and Mary, he probably decided to go just inside the border of Israel and wait in faith for more directions. In V.22, he got those directions, and went to Galilee to lodge there.
In one of my favorite commentaries, from Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown, this is a very good indication of just where Joseph & holy family settled.
"Into the parts of Galilee — or the Galilean parts. The whole country west of the Jordan was at this time, as is well known, divided into three provinces - Galilee being the northern, Judea the southern, and Samaria the central province. The province of Galilee was under the jurisdiction of Herod Antipas, the brother of Archelaus, his father having left him that and Perea, on the east side of the Jordan, as his share of the kingdom, with the title of tetrarch, which Augustus confirmed. Though crafty and licentious, according to Josephus - precisely what the Gospel history shows him to be (see on Mar_6:14-30; see on Luk_13:31-35) - he was of a less cruel disposition than Archelaus; and Nazareth being a good way off from the seat of government, and considerably secluded, it was safer to settle there."
I have not been able to find a prophet in the Hebrew Scriptures that make that prophesy.
Mat 2:19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
Mat 2:20 Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.
Mat 2:21 And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel.
Mat 2:22 But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee:
Mat 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.
The death of Herod The Great was so terrible that I wanted you all to see what John Gill wrote about it, compliments of e-Sword.
"But when Herod was dead,.... Who died, as before observed, a few months after this tragedy was acted; and, according to the (w) Jewish writers, on the seventh day of the month Cisleu, and which answers to the twenty fifth of our November: and was afterwards observed as a day of rejoicing by the Jews. The account which Josephus (x), and from him Eusebius (y), gives of his miserable death, is as follows; a burning fever seized him, with an intolerable itching all over his body, and continual pains of the colic; his feet swelled with a dropsy; he had an inflammation in the lower part of his belly: a putrefaction in his privy parts, which bred worms; a frequency and difficulty of breathing, and convulsions in all his members; he had a voracious appetite, a stinking breath, and his intestines abounded with ulcers; when he found that all means made use of were ineffectual, and that he must die, he attempted to lay violent hands upon himself, but was prevented, and soon after expired in a very miserable manner."
Well, I guess God got the last shot in, until Herod stands before the Judgment Seat of the One he tried to murder. It appears to me that after Joseph was told that the old tyrant was dead, in what Joseph is used to by now, a dream from his favorite Angel, to go back to Israel. Like Abraham, he didn't know just where in Israel he should go with Jesus and Mary, he probably decided to go just inside the border of Israel and wait in faith for more directions. In V.22, he got those directions, and went to Galilee to lodge there.
In one of my favorite commentaries, from Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown, this is a very good indication of just where Joseph & holy family settled.
"Into the parts of Galilee — or the Galilean parts. The whole country west of the Jordan was at this time, as is well known, divided into three provinces - Galilee being the northern, Judea the southern, and Samaria the central province. The province of Galilee was under the jurisdiction of Herod Antipas, the brother of Archelaus, his father having left him that and Perea, on the east side of the Jordan, as his share of the kingdom, with the title of tetrarch, which Augustus confirmed. Though crafty and licentious, according to Josephus - precisely what the Gospel history shows him to be (see on Mar_6:14-30; see on Luk_13:31-35) - he was of a less cruel disposition than Archelaus; and Nazareth being a good way off from the seat of government, and considerably secluded, it was safer to settle there."
I have not been able to find a prophet in the Hebrew Scriptures that make that prophesy.