What A Bunch Of Lies

[Corn Pop]

Short and Sweet.

 

[whatgoeshere?]

We believe Mecca was founded where, ages ago, Adam and Eve reunited after their exile from the garden. They built the first mosque, or place to worship God, where the Ka'ba is today, a cubical structure -- it literally means"cube" -- the original form of which we date to Abraham. With his son Ishmael, who was also a prophet, Abraham erected a simple stone structure, the first House of God, and called humanity to come worship the Divine.

Francis of Rome attempted to say this year that Catholics and Muslims all worship the same god.

I accept Francis' learned statement. However, Christians do not worship the same god as do Francis' Catholics or Muslims.
And the holy scripture within Islam tells us this that it not be slander when brought forth in this age as fact.
Sura 17:111 'Praise belongs to God, who has not taken to Him a son, and who has not any associate in the Kingdom, nor any protector out of humbleness.' And magnify Him with repeated magnificats.

 

[Corn Pop]

Not the same God.

 

[reba]

There is no holy scripture within islam

 

[Corn Pop]

Francis of Rome attempted to say this year that Catholics and Muslims all worship the same god.

I accept Francis' learned statement. However, Christians do not worship the same god as do Francis' Catholics or Muslims.
And the holy scripture within Islam tells us this that it not be slander when brought forth in this age as fact.
Sura 17:111 'Praise belongs to God, who has not taken to Him a son, and who has not any associate in the Kingdom, nor any protector out of humbleness.' And magnify Him with repeated magnificats.

The day I hear muslims say Jesus is Lord is the day I will believe Islam and christians believe in the same god.

 

[Corn Pop]

Allah is the great deciever. The quran is full of verses saying allah misguides and misleads people.

One very small example.

Surah 35:8
For indeed, Allah sends astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills.

Sends astray who he will, sends astray means to misguide or mislead people away from the truth and thats deception. In Arabic one of allah's 99 names is deciever, but they they hide it.

 

[whatgoeshere?]

A sad bit of news today. Over 250 people were murdered in a terrorist attack at a mosque in Egypt. All those lost souls, now lost for eternity unless our father shows them mercy.
Peace filled faith, this Islam? Those headlines tell a different story.
And when I hear that there are Christian women that convert to Islam it is terrifying that they are so unaware of what the koran says of them. Maybe they convert because they know they won't live as a woman in a muslim ruled country. Let them do that for a year before being permitted to convert and see if they change their minds.
What are they thinking?

 

[Corn Pop]

A sad bit of news today. Over 250 people were murdered in a terrorist attack at a mosque in Egypt. All those lost souls, now lost for eternity unless our father shows them mercy.
Peace filled faith, this Islam? Those headlines tell a different story.
And when I hear that there are Christian women that convert to Islam it is terrifying that they are so unaware of what the koran says of them. Maybe they convert because they know they won't live as a woman in a muslim ruled country. Let them do that for a year before being permitted to convert and see if they change their minds.
What are they thinking?

Women really are stuffed under Sharia Law with half the testimony of a Man.

Thats why you hardly ever hear of any abuse scandles in Islamic nations.

 

[Corn Pop]

This is allah speaking to mohamud in the quran here in the chapters context, and even any other way still makes the same point.

Who is the 'we'. Who is with allah?, I thought allah was one person with nothing associated with him. The "we" even has a capital letter. The greatest sin in Islam is associating anything with allah. Its shirk.

Quran 5:44-46
But how is it that they come to you for judgement while they have the Torah, in which is the judgement of Allah ? Then they turn away, [even] after that; but those are not [in fact] believers. Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. And We ordained for them therein a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is legal retribution.

So allah and something or someone associated with him sent down the Torah and the law. Even in the Arabic and other translations its "we". If it was just allah it would say "indeed allah sent down the Torah" and "allah ordained".

Quran 4:36
Worship Allah and associate nothing with Him,

 

[GodsGrace]

Short and Sweet.

Loved it Kiwiden.
Great points.
I always gave another reason...
I'd fall on my face too if I was headed for crucifixion.
And the fact that this is the o ly time it's mentioned.
Jesus was fully human and sweat blood, which is medically possible, due to extreme fear.
Thanks for the video.

Also, while here, I want to say that , yes , we do serve the same God. There is only one God, one true God.
Unfortunately, they attribute to Him a very ungod-like character.
Maybe we should say that God is One, but Islam doesn't know Him?
OR, maybe they DO serve a different god because Mohammad, a man, is worshipped by them?

I do agree that we don't serve the same God...however one wants to understand this.

 

[GodsGrace]

Francis of Rome attempted to say this year that Catholics and Muslims all worship the same god.

I accept Francis' learned statement. However, Christians do not worship the same god as do Francis' Catholics or Muslims.
And the holy scripture within Islam tells us this that it not be slander when brought forth in this age as fact.
Sura 17:111 'Praise belongs to God, who has not taken to Him a son, and who has not any associate in the Kingdom, nor any protector out of humbleness.' And magnify Him with repeated magnificats.

I'm not Catholic, but I refuse to hear that Catholics are serving a different God.
We may not like SOME of their doctrine, that does not mean they serve a different God or that they are a cult.

They serve Jesus just as we do.

With your standards I could safely say that word of faith , calvinists, and hyper-gracers are not Christian.
If fact, Calvinists are serving a very different God.

I won't persue this argument on this thread,
But it's difficult to sit by when untruths are told.
(Probably through incorrect info on the part of the poster).

 

[Corn Pop]

I'm not Catholic, but I refuse to hear that Catholics are serving a different God.
We may not like SOME of their doctrine, that does not mean they serve a different God or that they are a cult.

They serve Jesus just as we do.

With your standards I could safely say that word of faith , calvinists, and hyper-gracers are not Christian.
If fact, Calvinists are serving a very different God.

I won't persue this argument on this thread,
But it's difficult to sit by when untruths are told.
(Probably through incorrect info on the part of the poster).

All religion is a mess and there doctrine destroys.

Jesus is clearly saying in the verse below dont praise my mother you should be listening to my words and keeping my words not blessing and praising my mother.

That woman in scripture must have been the first catholic.

Luke 11
"As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”

"For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken."

 

[whatgoeshere?]

One resonating similarity in prejudice that I've read here of late and by a handful of people is the accusation of Calvinist. Different people same seemingly to their mind, insult levied toward those they judge. And even going so far as to say that the accused then worships a very different God than themselves. The rules are recalled. Even though they're not respected here by such ones as that.

Trying to impart a person is not a Christian is weakness. As if that should be an arrow that impales the individual it is shot at. And invalidate their opinion because of a claim about them. It's ironic especially when it's preceded by someone who says it is difficult for them to sit by when untruths are told. It seems they're fine with levying untruths though.

Rather than assail people with prejudice why not seek out what Pope Francis said about worshiping the same God. Muslims and Christians? Those that speak of this know what they're talking about. Those that attack the speaker without taking the same amount of time to satisfy their own doubt with their own efforts in research aren't actually interested in the truth.
And it isn't up to the person saying that about Francis to prove it when those who know nothing about it demonstrate their first reflex to call names, in the name of righteous indignation defending Francis. Whom they know nothing about in that instance. Lack of maturity is no excuse for offensive behavior.

 

[Free]

Just a reminder that discussion of the RCC in this forum is against the TOS.

 

[whatgoeshere?]

Women really are stuffed under Sharia Law with half the testimony of a Man.

Thats why you hardly ever hear of any abuse scandles in Islamic nations.

And yet if you seek it out you'll find executions of women by Sharia law's command. And sometimes it is because that woman was found guilty of her own rape. Her testimony , any woman's , is worth half of that of a man.
I heard that in Saudi Arabia they're actually relenting now and letting women drive. Something forbidden before. Death penalty offense too I was told.
No, it isn't the same God at all. Their Koran says quite frankly that their Allah has begat no son.
Our holy book says quite the opposite. That Jesus was the only begotten son of God.

 

[Corn Pop]

Everything is different about the God of Abraham and the god of Mohamud.

Abraham God does not say you must face mecca and worship me 5 times a day. Thats a different god.

Mecca for centurys had been the home of pagan gods. The Kabba is a hotel for the different gods and idols, Mohamuds is just another god. The Kabba is home to over 400 gods but Mohamud put his god above all the other gods by smashing there idols.

You can read it in the life of Mohamud. He only turned to the pagans and Mecca when the Jews rejected him as a prophet. Mohamud and the muslims first faced Jerusalem until rejected. Mohamud decided to change the rules and then make Mecca most Holy.

 

[whatgoeshere?]

Everything is different about the God of Abraham and the god of Mohamud.

Abraham God does not say you must face mecca and worship me 5 times a day. Thats a different god.

Mecca for centurys had been the home of pagan gods. The Kabba is a hotel for the different gods and idols, Mohamuds is just another god.

You can read it in the life of Mohamud. He only turned to the pagans and Mecca when the Jews rejected him as a prophet. Mohamud and the muslims first faced Jerusalem until rejected. Mohamud decided to change the rules and then make Mecca most Holy.

True. All true. I was listening to a program on Christian talk radio where an expert in Islam revealed those very facts. Very important to share here too I think.
Christian women convert to Islam. I think it is becuase they've never lived in a Muslim country under Sharia rule. There's even an Imam that claims he use to be a pastor that converted. Now he talks about how Islam predates Christianity. And our Bible is a copy of the truths in the Koran.
The devil is a liar. And he makes such people as that man very rich.

 

[Corn Pop]

Women turn to Islam because they think its peace, but they can't see under Sharia. Look at islamic nations there is near no scandles so they think its very peaceful and respectable as there is near no abuse and assault in islam, yet its only because females don't have a voice and are silenced with only half a testimony to please man. Its a decietful trap.

 

[Corn Pop]

You would think people would read a religions most trusted sources before converting.

 

[Corn Pop]

Its very backwards.