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What A Bunch Of Lies

reba said:
That does not answer the question,,, I will restate maybe more clear
Does the quran represent muslims ? In your opinion do the words in the quarn give off a fair representation of muslin life? Their beliefs their laws ETC?
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I'd say it's supposed to in their many different interpretations of it.
 
Papyrus_dust said:
How many would there be that you know of?
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If you're referring to different interpretations, I imagine that they are countless. Some Imams even argue that each person must discover what Islam is for themselves. Others have strict adherence to differing sects all claiming orthodoxy.
 
childeye said:
Respectfully, it sounds like you're saying that nobody has claimed that all Muslims are terrorists, while you claim that true Muslims who follow the Quran are all terrorists.
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Not all muslims who follow the quran flip out I don't think anyone thinks that. There are peaceful verses but the peaceful verses are only about muslims for muslims not the unbelievers of the scriptures who the quran calls the worst of all creatures, that would imply, lower than feral pigs. Very friendly isn't it.
 
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kiwidan said:
Not all muslims who follow the quran flip out I don't think anyone thinks that. There are peaceful verses but the peaceful verses are only about muslims for muslims not the unbelievers of the scriptures who the quran calls the worst of creatures, that would imply, lower than feral pigs. Very friendly isn't it.
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Then you can understand how lost the mindset is when Muslims kill Muslims while both claiming God and Islam.
 
Alah akbar........meaning alah is the one and only true god and there is no other.....
Muhamed is his prophet....

According to the bible this is blasphemy.....

The bible says
YAHWEH your God is the one and only true God of Israel
Mark 12:29
Hear oh Israel YAHWEH our God YAHWEH is One
Deuteronomy 6:4
JEsus is His only begotten son.....
John 3:16
There is salvation in no other name but Jesus
Acts 4:12
 
kiwidan said:
Not all muslims who follow the quran flip out I don't think anyone thinks that. There are peaceful verses but the peaceful verses are only about muslims for muslims not the unbelievers of the scriptures who the quran calls the worst of creatures, that would imply, lower than feral pigs. Very friendly isn't it.
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I have searched this thread and found nowhere anyone saying all Muslims are terrorists. It is a strawman argument.
There are also not many interpretations of Islam's Quran. Unfortunately, left leaning media has enacted this vision of Islam as having two separate and mutually exclusive poles. The radical vs. the moderate. There is no such thing in Islam. Islam has one interpretation.
The only interpretation that matters in Islam is the interpretation of Muhammad, the perfect man, Allah's messenger. Those passages , or Sura, in the Quran that a Muslim feels needs clarifying is done through Muhammad's Hadith.

These are important clarifications in order to understand the terrorists who profess Islam as their cause. Islam's Quran enables terrorism due to the edicts concerning defense of Allah's word within the world.
 
Traveling teacher said:
Alah akbar........meaning alah is the one and only true god and there is no other.....
Muhamed is his prophet....

According to the bible this is blasphemy.....

The bible says
YAHWEH your God is the one and only true God of Israel
Mark 12:29
Hear oh Israel YAHWEH our God YAHWEH is One
Deuteronomy 6:4
JEsus is His only begotten son.....
John 3:16
There is salvation in no other name but Jesus
Acts 4:12
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The bible also says:
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
 
childeye said:
Then you can understand how lost the mindset is when Muslims kill Muslims while both claiming God and Islam.
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Not when allah tells Mohamud in quran 9:73

Surah 9:73
O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.

Disbelievers are obviously anyone who is not a muslim and the hypocrite is obviously the people who say they are muslims but are not true muslims and following the command of the quran where it says a believer can have no real faith until they make Mohamud judge over all things and follow his decisions with full submission.

So when you get different muslim sects who all believe the same quran yet don't agree on other beliefs about islam, then they all believe the other is apostate/hypocrite and not following Mohamud with full submission. So they all put the others in the same category as unbelievers/hypocrites/apostate.

I care about muslims, I don't enjoy witnessing muslims hating on each other.

 
reba said:
Never mind every so often i hope you will not talk in circles .. Wrong again
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You should know by now that I am going to do my best to not lie. If I had implied in any way that I knew absolutely what the correct interpretation of the Quran is, and by extension what is a true Muslim, I would be lying.
 
kiwidan said:
Not when quran 9:73 says

Surah 9:73
O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.

Disbelievers are obviously anyone who is not a muslim and the hypocrite is obviously the people who say they are muslims but are not true muslims and following the command of the quran where it says a believer can have no real faith until they make Mohamud judge over all things and follow his decisions with full submission.

So when you get different muslim sects who all believe the same quran yet don't agree on other beliefs about islam, then they all believe the other is apostate/hypocrite and not following Mohamud with full submission.
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The problem is that whoever does not have the Christ is already a hypocrite.
 
childeye said:
The problem is that whoever does not have the Christ is already a hypocrite.
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No. A hypocrite is someone who says 'i don't drink coffee' while drinking a coffee.

Christ called people hypocrites because the scriptures testified of him and people believed they knew the scriptures yet were rejecting the Christ.
 
childeye said:
You should know by now that I am going to do my best to not lie. If I had implied in any way that I knew absolutely what the correct interpretation of the Quran is, and by extension what is a true Muslim, I would be lying.
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I always check the source after people quote islam and multiple translations to make sure it says the same thing. I don't post verses that don't say the same thing in multiple translations even the words may vary a little. I always want to make sure the context is right.
 
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kiwidan said:
No. A hypocrite is someone who says 'i don't drink coffee' while drinking a coffee.
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A hypocrite is someone who draws lines for others to meet that they themselves don't keep. In essence hypocrisy is the breaking of the great commandment to Love others as you would want to be loved. So it is that when doing to others what one would not want done to themselves, it is founded upon a contradiction of reasoning and therefore ends in hypocritical judgment, Iniquity, unfair and immoral behavior.
 
childeye said:
A hypocrite is someone who draws lines for others to meet that they themselves don't keep. In essence hypocrisy is the breaking of the great commandment to Love others as you would want to be loved. So it is that when doing to others what one would not want done to themselves, it is founded upon a contradiction of reasoning and therefore ends in hypocritical judgment, Iniquity, unfair and immoral behavior.
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And because some people love muslims they try show them the quran is false because every top historian scholor in the world be they religious or not can only conclude without doubt as a historical fact thatJesus was crucified under pilate. So many historical accounts and witness.

And the quran says multiple times the Torah and the Gospel is the truth. So why does it deny Jesus.

All islam has is a man named Mohamud in the 7th century who denies it.
 
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