What A Bunch Of Lies

[Justicewolf]

With all due respect, all Muslims are not terrorists and therefore Isis does not represent the whole of Islam.

It is a falsehood to claim I ever said any such thing.
You're compiling the refutation of everything I actually said, point for point, in order to sustain your accusation in post 58?

 

[childeye]

It is a falsehood to claim I ever said any such thing.
You're compiling the refutation of everything I actually said, point for point, in order to sustain your accusation in post 58?

Post 58 is not an accusation, it's just a healthy observation. I do not wish to make this personal which is why I used the term "respectfully". Yes I found it simpler to refute the basic premise of your fears which most all of the other assertions are based upon. You say that you never claimed such a thing, but then, in all honesty, what else is being implied when you state these words?.... "She even made a ridiculous claim about Islam not being terrorism".

 

[Justicewolf]

Post 58 is not an accusation, it's just a healthy observation which supports tempering your communication by qualifying your terms. I do not wish to make this personal which is why I used the term "respectfully". Yes I found it simpler to refute the basic premise of your post which most all of the other assertions are based upon. You say that you never claimed such a thing, but then what else is being implied when you state these words?.... "She even made a ridiculous claim about Islam not being terrorism".

You did make it personal. Prefacing remarks, with all due respect, so as to call me a liar is personal. And not respectful. Rather, it is transparent in its intent. Your remarks are unsubstantiated. They're an attack. There is no respect in that.
The difference in our points of view? I know what I'm talking about.

 

[childeye]

You did make it personal. Prefacing remarks, with all due respect, so as to call me a liar is personal. And not respectful. Rather, it is transparent in its intent. Your remarks are unsubstantiated. They're an attack. There is no respect in that.
The difference in our points of view? I know what I'm talking about.

You stated that I called you a liar in a personal attack, rather than perceiving my statement as a sincere and modest attempt at correction. I have shown from the record why I felt that you had implied that all Muslims are terrorists when you implied that Islam is terrorism.

I would now point out that you also claimed on record that it would be falsehood on my part to claim that you had said any such thing. Since I have shown you from the record that you did in fact categorically make such a claim, you should now admit that it was not falsehood on my part to claim what the record itself shows that you said. Therefore my respectful correction should not be construed as a personal attack, but simply a modest attempt to point out the error.

 

[Papyrus_dust]

I am aware and yet I don't fear Islam. Any reasoning based upon falsehood ends in a contradiction. Respectfully, it is a contradiction to claim that Islamophobia means to be aware when the whole point of terrorism is to create fear. I also would point out that not recognizing this fact leaves people vulnerable to those who would use such fear to motivate undue distrust and hatred towards others so as to manipulate the minds of the gullible for political gain.

This discussion concerns terrorists aligned with Islam. The gullibility factor is demonstrated in that which effects pejoratives against those keen in awareness of that fact. As such the effort appears to be one in complicity with the propaganda wing of such a movement and therefore is worthy of the respect that would warrant; none whatsoever.

 

[Papyrus_dust]

You did make it personal. Prefacing remarks, with all due respect, so as to call me a liar is personal. And not respectful. Rather, it is transparent in its intent. Your remarks are unsubstantiated. They're an attack. There is no respect in that.
The difference in our points of view? I know what I'm talking about.

A grand recall of Hillary Clinton's being the obedient servant of her boss. The American people are easily distracted by the drama in daily news. Apt to forget her having made this assertion all that long ago.
Just as they were not prone, even in media, during the illegal server hearings to pose the question in the press; who told her to install that illegal server to her computer and conduct government business from home?


The blanket remarks Mrs. Clinton makes in that press appearance are likely to placate the allegiance her boss has with Islam, as well as for her top assistant Huma Abidin being her most trusted collaborator in her political agenda.

Ms.Abidin use to work for a Muslim journal and was of all things writing to condemn women's rights. A Muslim, who's family , the mother to be precise, are aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood. An organization long overdue in being identified as a terrorist faction.
I can't understand how a woman so openly opposed to America's sovereignty could make it onto the ballot of the 2016 election. And she would not have all things being fair. When the Clinton's decide to enter the game, no thing will be fair. All will suffer under their hunger for money and power.
Thank our great God the American voters denied Mrs.Clinton the opportunity to commit to darker pursuits from the highest seat of power on earth.

 

[childeye]

This discussion concerns terrorists aligned with Islam. The gullibility factor is demonstrated in that which effects pejoratives against those keen in awareness of that fact.

I think we're all aware that terrorism is wrong no matter what label it hides under. After all, the vast majority of victims of this particular form of terrorism are Muslims.

As such the effort appears to be one in complicity with the propaganda wing of such a movement and therefore is worthy of the respect that would warrant; none whatsoever.

Propaganda is meant to subvert the truth. It is only effective if it's believable, so it often incorporates some element of truth so as to be persuasive. To state that all Muslims are not terrorists is therefore not propaganda. While to imply that all Muslims are, is propaganda.

 

[Corn Pop]

With all due respect, all Muslims are not terrorists and therefore Isis does not represent the whole of Islam.

That is true, but islam is not based on what our muslim friends say islam is, islam is based on what Allah and Mohamud says islam is through islams most trusted sources like the Quran and Hadiths.

I would say allah and mohamud know more about islam than anyone else, you cannot get more true muslim than mohamud himself.

 

[childeye]

That is true, but islam is not based on what our muslim friends say islam is, islam is based on what Allah and Mohamud says islam is through islams most trusted sources like the Quran and Hadiths.

I would say allah and mohamud know more about islam than anyone else right?.

Let's cut to the chase, Islam does not recognize Jesus as the Christ, nor do they even understand what the Christ is, so it doesn't really matter what anybody knows concerning what is the authentic Islam.

 

[Corn Pop]

Let's cut to the chase, Islam does not recognize Jesus as the Christ, nor do they even understand what the Christ is, so it doesn't really matter what anybody knows concerning what is the authentic Islam.

And people can stand there and say nothing but "Islam is a religion of peace" or they can challenge muslims and show them how islam is not the Word of God.

Challenging someones belief is not hate. Its open discussion and conversation. People do it because they love muslims and believe they are loved by God and want to help them and guide them to the truth.

But sadely these days in some nations its seen as a hate crime. And I never knew people had to be a respecter of religion anyhow.

 

[Papyrus_dust]

Let's cut to the chase, Islam does not recognize Jesus as the Christ, nor do they even understand what the Christ is, so it doesn't really matter what anybody knows concerning what is the authentic Islam.

If that is truth then someone who doesn't know what authentic Islam is would be remiss in taking issue with people who speak openly about what Islam is.

And people can stand there and say nothing but "Islam is a religion of peace" or they can challenge muslims and show them how islam is not the Word of God.

Challenging someones belief is not a hate crime. Its open discussion and conversation.

Amen!
Muslims know our Jesus as Isa. A minor holy man or prophet. Because they are told through the scriptures in the Quran that their god has no son. Therefore son of God is not a factor within Islam. Nor for that matter is repentance and salvation, nor assurance of paradise.

 

[childeye]

And people can stand there and say nothing but "Islam is a religion of peace" or they can challenge muslims and show them how islam is not the Word of God.

Challenging someones belief is not hate. Its open discussion and conversation. People do it because they love muslims and believe they are loved by God.

But sadely these days in some nations its seen as a hate crime. And I never knew people had to be a respecter of religion anyhow.

You're right about all of this and you said it pretty well. I'd only comment that when you say that Islam is not the Word of God, you may be inviting a debate over whose book is true. That's opening a can of worms since the fact is that the Word of God is not a book even as the bible testifies to in John 1.

 

[reba]

Does the quran represent muslims ?

 

[childeye]

If that is truth then someone who doesn't know what authentic Islam is would be remiss in taking issue with people who speak openly about what Islam is.

I pointed out that Islam is anti-Christ, and that is what I feel is the only thing I need to know about Islam. I can discern from there that the course of evil returned for evil is death. Still I'm not remiss in saying that all Muslims are not terrorists.

 

[childeye]

Does the quran represent muslims ?

There is one God and Mohammed is his messenger is pretty commonplace. Muslims have differing interpretations of what the message is, but as far as I'm aware, they are always authoritarian and legalistic forms of righteousness.

 

[Corn Pop]

Does the quran represent muslims ?

Maybe the jihadists.

Quran 9:111
Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah , so they kill and are killed.

Quran 9:29
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Notice is doesnt say fight those who are persecuting you. It says fight those who don't believe in Allah and mohamud.

 

[Papyrus_dust]

I pointed out that Islam is anti-Christ, and that is what I feel is the only thing I need to know about Islam. I can discern from there that the course of evil returned for evil is death. Still I'm not remiss in saying that all Muslims are not terrorists.

No, that's not all you need to know about Islam in order to offer a cogent opinion about the particulars of Islam.
Further, no one in this thread that I can find has ever said all Muslims are terrorists.
The Quran's dictates however do command that Muslims become terrorists in order to fulfill Allah's commands delineated in his inspired word to his prophet.

 

[reba]

There is one God and Mohammed is his messenger is pretty commonplace. Muslims have differing interpretations of what the message is, but as far as I'm aware, they are always authoritarian and legalistic forms of righteousness.

That does not answer the question,,, I will restate maybe more clear
Does the quran represent muslims ? In your opinion do the words in the quarn give off a fair representation of muslin life? Their beliefs their laws ETC?

 

[childeye]

No, that's not all you need to know about Islam in order to offer a cogent opinion about the particulars of Islam.

As I have already said, I really don't care about the particulars of Islam. I know about Christ.

Further, no one in this thread that I can find has ever said all Muslims are terrorists.

The Quran's dictates however do command that Muslims become terrorists in order to fulfill Allah's commands delineated in his inspired word to his prophet.

Respectfully, it sounds like you're saying that nobody has claimed that all Muslims are terrorists, while you claim that true Muslims who follow the Quran are all terrorists.

 

[Papyrus_dust]

As I have already said, I really don't care about the particulars of Islam. I know about Christ.

And as has been observed, someone who knows nothing about Islam has no place discussing what it is and what it is not when they admit they don't know anything about Islam.

Respectfully, it sounds like you're saying that nobody has claimed that all Muslims are terrorists, while you claim that true Muslims who follow the Quran are all terrorists.

That would be the wrong sound.