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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
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what does it mean to you .
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He chose those, who chose Christ, being predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son.
He chose those whom He had foreseen would believe on Jesus Christ His Son.
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Sinthesis
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It means that even before Abraham or the Exodus, God's redemptive plan was always that a subset of people would follow the Christ away from legalism into Grace. It is not the individual that is chosen, rather it is the path taken by the Christian that was chosen by God as the mechanism to complete His work as His Body.
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This certainly falls in line with one of the tenet of Calvinism.
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The spiritual DNA of the believer has it set so that he'll develop into something very specific to that DNA. It will cause that person to look and act a specific way. You were chosen for the purpose of being holy and blameless. The predictable outcome of being chosen through your faith in Christ is that you'll look like Jesus Christ. You were not chosen and predestined in Christ to end up looking like a pig or a dog or a rat.
"29For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son" (Romans 8:29 NASB italics in original)
Stay in the faith and that is the predetermined outcome for you: You will look and act like Jesus. That's what the plan is. That's what you were predestined to become:
"Christ Jesus, 14 who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds." (Titus 2:13-14 NASB)
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Jethro Bodine
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How about 'follow Christ away from nothing into Grace'? Not everybody not in Grace is in legalism. Some who are not in grace are even in 'hyper-grace', bending the true grace of God where it was never meant to go, and which is still not being in God's grace.
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Nope. Regardless where one begins, the path to Grace passes through legalism. One has to realize that no matter how correct their works are, they are still insufficient, before one will turn to trusting in another for salvation.
ezra
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good point John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. the law was our schoolmaster till christ came. the law had its place and to some degree was perfect. till man got a hold of it . we all are guilty of adding our own legalistic beliefs . to scriptures
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I know that. I was even thinking of it when I made my post. But for some it's simply not a part of their salvation experience. They don't have to try to be good for God to know they can't be good for God.
Me? I came through the effort of trying to be good to be saved. But not everybody does. Not everybody has to. They know it pretty well from the life they've already been leading, and so when they hear the gospel they don't get deceived into thinking all they have to do now is be good to be saved.
Wherever there was 'religion' in a person's life (in every negative connotation of the word), that is where legalism is a major part of a person's pre-salvation experience. But for non-religious people of the world living riotous uncontrolled lives of indulgence, they have no 'religion' to overcome to get into the kingdom. That's why the prostitutes and the tax collectors were entering the kingdom before the Pharisees.
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They do have a religion (a way of life) to overcome, through the knowledge that what they are doing, even if unstructured, is not working. In the example of the prodigal son his life of indulgence leads to disaster. Through repentance he is willing to live the life of a servant under his father, before he is welcomed back as son and given that which he doesn't deserve.
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It means before the world was even formed....God chose from those that would be born an populate the world who He would give to His Son. The bible remains silent on why God chooses to have mercy on some people while the other remain in their justice. On the other hand the bible does say what His choice is NOT based upon. Romans 9 tells us it is not our works. The bible doesn't teach God looks ahead and see's who will choose Jesus..then choose them before the foundations of the world. No folks, we don't choose Jesus....God chooses us and gives us to Jesus.
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The elect were chosen...AND...the elect were also ordained to look like Jesus. The verse is larger than you make it Jethro.
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They were elected on the basis of faith, not elected apart from their knowledge and will as some seem to understand election. Election means chosen if I'm understanding correctly. Many are called, but only a few answer the call and become chosen, becoming elected on the basis of their faith.
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let me say part way we do accept by faith.. and the elect are called outside of their faith.. i really don,t understand election God does the choosing. john 15:16 i also like Deuteronomy chapter 7 --i believe it is he tell the children of israel why he chose them
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Romans 9, is set in the context of those whom God chose to be the seed group through which the Messiah would come, [His eternal purpose] not whom He chose to be saved, and whom He chose to send to hell.
I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.”8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For thisis the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man,even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.”13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.” Romans 9:1-13
...that the purpose of God [The Messiah] according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls.
God chose and predestined that the bloodline of the Messiah, would come from Abraham, and Isaac not Ishmael, Jacob, and not Esau.
Again, the context here is those whom were elected to be the bloodline of the Messiah, not who was elected to be saved or not.
JLB