What Does Jesus Say About A Saved Person Becoming Unsaved ?

[7thMoon]

If I rescue you from the flood....
I save you from the flood.

And how many times does it mean rescue from death rather than God putting someone in the afterlife? It never means God puts someone in afterlife. So, how was Paul saved? He was saved from people who would otherwise destroy him. This is a fact.

 

[7thMoon]

While there's some subtle difference. "Rescue" has a narrow definition, usually it only means removing or evacuating from a dangerous situation; "Save" is closer to "keep" or "store", it's not always linked to a dangerous situation, but rather indicating a purpose for later use.

It is a very important difference.

 

[GodsGrace]

How does that negate the Prodigal being "alive" at birth ?

My post no. 97 doesn't make sense to you?
Think about it.

Jesus told Nicodemus that we must be born from above.
John 3:5 IOW, we must be born again.
AGAIN, because one time we are born physically and one time we are born spiritually.

If babies are already saved..THEY DON'T NEED to be born again.
So, obviously, Jesus is referring to persons that are already adults, already at the age of accountability.

 

[GodsGrace]

And how many times does it mean rescue from death rather than God putting someone in the afterlife? It never means God puts someone in afterlife. So, how was Paul saved? He was saved from people who would otherwise destroy him. This is a fact.

I'm sorry 7thMoon, I don't really understand your point.

Jesus rescues/saves us from many things.
He said we would know the truth and the truth would set us free.

Free from what?
Is heaven our only goal?

Jesus came to teach us how to get to heaven, the afterlife as you call it.
But He also came to set up a spiritual kingdom here on earth to which all believers belong and to which they must contribute in order to make the kingdom be fruitful as Jesus wanted it to be.
In order to make the world a better place.

YOUR Kingdom come,
on earth,
As it is in heaven.
Matthew 6:10

 

[Consecrated Life]

You meant in the NT?
I thought you wanted examples of how a person could lose their faith.

Right now Judas comes to mind.
He was one of the Apostles.

Jesus said that Judas was lost long before his betrayed Him.
He was never a believer:

Jhn 6:70
¶Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

 

[Consecrated Life]

My post no. 97 doesn't make sense to you?
Think about it.

Jesus told Nicodemus that we must be born from above.
John 3:5 IOW, we must be born again.
AGAIN, because one time we are born physically and one time we are born spiritually.

If babies are already saved..THEY DON'T NEED to be born again.
So, obviously, Jesus is referring to persons that are already adults, already at the age of accountability.

You believe babies who die go to hell ?

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus said that Judas was lost long before his betrayed Him.
He was never a believer:

Jhn 6:70
¶Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

This is your opinion CL.
It goes along with your general belief system.

Matthew 10:1-4
1Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.
2These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John;
3Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus;
4Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.

Jesus would give authority to a devil?
I hope you realize that the gospels are not in chronological order.

Judas was saved. He was an Apostle.
He became unsaved in time.

 

[GodsGrace]

You believe babies who die go to hell ?

Oh for goodness sake CL!

I stated PLAINLY that they do NOT. TWICE.

And what in the above post of mine would make you believe that this is what I stated?

Please stop misquoting me for those that are reading along.
Thanks.

 

[Consecrated Life]

You meant in the NT?
I thought you wanted examples of how a person could lose their faith.




I think you haven't quite grasped what I mean by tragedy.
Look around you. There are many grieving person around us.
Some of them look to God for help and strength,
Some of them lose their faith in God and abandon Him.


If you need verses, I'll be happy to post them.

There are multiple instances of grieving people in scripture suffering tragedy .
Right ?
Why then does not one of these instances in scripture result in one of these grieving, suffering believers in God losing their faith ,abandoning God and going to hell ?
Not a single instance of that happening can you cite.
Just the opposite every instance clearly shows God's Love only being reaffirmed to the suffering and grieving
You really believe people going to hell in this way was not important enough in God's mind to warn humanity about?

 

[Consecrated Life]

This is your opinion CL.
It goes along with your general belief system.

Matthew 10:1-4
1Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.
2These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John;
3Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus;
4Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.

Jesus would give authority to a devil?
I hope you realize that the gospels are not in chronological order.

Judas was saved. He was an Apostle.
He became unsaved in time.

What was this tragic event of severe grief & suffering this saved Judas had:

" There are many grieving person around us....
...Some of them lose their faith in God and abandon Him." ( Wondering)

: that caused him to not only abandon Jesus, but arrange His murder.
I don't recall what the specific grief of Judas was ?
Could you post what exactly the tragedy was that caused Judas's suffering and made him arrange Jesus's murder ?

 

[GodsGrace]

There are multiple instances of grieving people in scripture suffering tragedy .
Right ?
Why then does not one of these instances in scripture result in one of these grieving, suffering believers in God losing their faith ,abandoning God and going to hell ?
Not a single instance of that happening can you cite.
Just the opposite every instance clearly shows God's Love only being reaffirmed to the suffering and grieving
You really believe people going to hell in this way was not important enough in God's mind to warn humanity about?

Please exegete the following:

Romans 11:19-22
19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”
20Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;
21for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
22Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off
Colossians 1:21-22
21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, 22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach— 23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast,

 

[GodsGrace]

What was this tragic event of severe grief & suffering this saved Judas had:

" There are many grieving person around us....
...Some of them lose their faith in God and abandon Him." ( Wondering)

: that caused him to not only abandon Jesus, but arrange His murder.
I don't recall what the specific grief of Judas was ?
Could you post what exactly the tragedy was that caused Judas's suffering and made him arrange Jesus's murder ?

I don't believe you're understanding my posts.
You seem to be hooked on this tragedy thing.
I will no longer respond to anything except scripture.

 

[Consecrated Life]

I don't believe you're understanding my posts.
You seem to be hooked on this tragedy thing.
I will no longer respond to anything except scripture.

I understand perfectly .
You say that Judas first loved Jesus , but for some reason you are at a loss to come up with , he not only fell out of love for Jesus , but decided to arrange His murder as well .

"Judas was saved. He was an Apostle.
He became unsaved in time." (Wondering)


This despite already giving your stated rationale for people abandoning Him who they love more than a brother.
Just like Judas, so you assert.
" There are many grieving person around us....
...Some of them lose their faith in God and abandon Him." ( Wondering)

 

[GodsGrace]

I understand perfectly .
You say that Judas first loved Jesus , but for some reason you are at a loss to come up with , he not only fell out of love for Jesus , but decided to arrange His murder as well .

"Judas was saved. He was an Apostle.
He became unsaved in time." (Wondering)


This despite already giving your stated rationale for people abandoning Him who they love more than a brother.
Just like Judas, so you assert.
" There are many grieving person around us....
...Some of them lose their faith in God and abandon Him." ( Wondering)

Please reply to post no. 111

 

[Tenchi]

What Does Jesus Say About A Saved Person Becoming Unsaved ?

Nothing. One cannot be unsaved or un-born-again, any more than one can undo one's physical birth. Both births are God's doing and neither can be reversed.

 

[7thMoon]

Nothing. One cannot be unsaved or un-born-again, any more than one can undo one's physical birth. Both births are God's doing and neither can be reversed.

Then no one is really saved till death.

 

[miamited]

What Does Jesus Say About A Saved Person Becoming Unsaved ?
I am unaware of anything in this regard,

Hi Consecrated Life

As I understand that Jesus said about salvation is that it doesn't even come until the day of God's judgment.

Only the one who perseveres to the end, WILL be saved. That's a future perfect reality. Even Paul says that in this life, we merely receive the Holy Spirit as our guarantee that we 'will' be saved.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Consecrated Life]

Hi Consecrated Life

As I understand that Jesus said about salvation is that it doesn't even come until the day of God's judgment.

Only the one who perseveres to the end, WILL be saved. That's a future perfect reality. Even Paul says that in this life, we merely receive the Holy Spirit as our guarantee that we 'will' be saved.

God bless,
Ted

I've not seen a scripture where Jesus indicates that .

 

[miamited]

I've not seen a scripture where Jesus indicates that .

What? You need me to give you the Scripture reference? You don't remember reading Jesus' words that only the one who perseveres to the end will be saved? Matthew 24:13

2nd Corinthians 1:22
2nd Corinthians 5:5
Ephesians 1:14
God bless,
Ted

You're welcome

 

[Hopeful 2]

Nothing. One cannot be unsaved or un-born-again, any more than one can undo one's physical birth. Both births are God's doing and neither can be reversed.

One of them can be faked though.